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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine / MXE Thread - Part 16 - Sweet 16 mind-control machine

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That's funny you bring that up cause when I tell people about the 4 subs they are always like nah....I don't do RC's, and I'm like did you not read the books by the same guy who synthasized MDA? Anything shulgin made I don't consider an RC
 
That's funny you bring that up cause when I tell people about the 4 subs they are always like nah....I don't do RC's, and I'm like did you not read the books by the same guy who synthasized MDA? Anything shulgin made I don't consider an RC

MDA was first synthed in 1910, 15 years before Shulgin was born. But regardless, Shulgin didn't exhaustively test any of the compounds he made for safety. The chemicals listed in pihkal and tihkal are not any safer than anything else. Do you think PMA is a great drug? It's in pihkal.
 
I have never experienced any bladder issues on MXE and I was using it about every other day for a couple of months. I don't doubt that it probably has negative effects on the bladder and renal system similar to those of ketamine, for heavy, daily users, or for long-term chronic users, but my GUESS is that due to the much lower dosage required, these effects would not manifest as readily. The dosages given the mice in the study Captain posted were given 30mg/kg, which is a huge dose. Does anyone on Earth take that much MXE? Granted the issues would probably develop at much lower doses than that, but given that for me 20-30mg in total is how I dose, I'm not too worried about it.
 
Maybe it is wrong to assume that you can equate harm from twice as much quantity with twice as long a time of abuse. By that I mean that indeed we might not see the as much bladder damage as with K even after a longer time for the reason Xorkoth says, because the dilution allows the body to repair the damage as it is done. Scar tissue is formed when the body can't keep up / repair (when the extracellular matrix is destroyed), as long as that doesn't happen the body may be able to endure repeated irritation / mild damage.

But all speculation. I'm not sure we want to hope that potential bladder damage is the thing that should warn you away from serious abuse! Maybe I say that cause I have seen K abuse / addiction.
Then again bladder damage is more chronic even than the cognitive issues, and perhaps even more chronic than the tolerance. ;) Is the tolerance self-protection lol? Maybe it is better this way, but it is also super freakin annoying =D
 
Some aspects of dissociative use are hard to come to terms with.

I've been hitting the MXE pretty hard this past month or so and i've noticed my typing ability and even speech is definitely affected in a negative way. Probably gonna chill out for a while after this batch is through. I've gotten the same thing from heavy DXM abuse when i was younger, and also with heavy K use. So far, it's always passed after a short time.

So, fingers crossed for no brain damage again.

I get the opposite effect from tryptamines and LSD, which generally increase my communicative abilities in a very pleasing manner, depending on the type of trip and dosage of course.
 
In the interest of adding information to the body of knowledge on this subject, I will share my recent experience with excessive MXE abuse:

Over approximately the last three months, I have gone through close to 15g of "high quality" MXE. My usual ROA is sublingual; occasionally, I will supplement or switch things up with oral or insufflation. From time to time, I will plug doses larger than my usual sublingual dose in search of a more strongly anesthetized state. My pattern of use is daily; most frequently I will dose once in the morning before work and two to three times after work. In general my doses have been low. In the beginning, 10mg was my "wake up" and/or booster dose. With daily use that rapidly escalated to 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, 50mg, up to the point where I can now function at about 90% at work after a 60mg sublingual dose. It is probably worth mentioning that my starter dose was often accompanied by a "functional" dose of an amphetamine.

Taking a day or two off here and there is not especially difficult, but abstinence is accompanied by slight irritability and what is probably an availability-induced compulsion to forego abstinence. In other words, I never feel like I need it but I often feel like I really want it and I am slightly annoyed if I'm not on it. I haven't noticed any detrimental mental effects of note, but if you asked my wife she'd probably tell you that my IQ dropped 20 points in the last couple of months. In the meantime, I made a bunch of new friends at work and had some creative breakthroughs that I soberly believe could lead to me finally writing that book I've always dreamed out. As far as kidney or bladder issues, I have not noticed any changes in frequency, volume, difficulty, or pain of urination. I have not experienced any "inexplicable" pain that might be tied to those organs. For what it's worth, I hydrate almost to excess (on average more than a gallon of water daily).

I should probably also mention that in general I seem to be resistant to and resilient in the face of the negative effects of drug abuse. As some examples, I quit a two year heroin habit cold turkey with no rehab, ingested close to 10g each of methylone-esque cathinones and x-(M)APBs over the course of a year with nothing to show for it but some slight anhedonia, carefully tuck myself into bed when on the verge of a dissociative-induced psychotic break, and had a mystical experience on what was probably an almost-lethal overdose of an NBOMe.

Don't take this as proof that MXE is safe. In fact, look at it as the opposite. Despite the lack of a physical addiction, the stuff lends itself well to compulsive use. If you use it excessively, you can not hide it from those who are close to you. Until there is definitive, hard scientific evidence showing otherwise, assume that using this stuff in excess will wreak havok on your kidney and bladder just like those poor little mice. Assume what science has shown to be true of them to be true of us until we are shown otherwise.

For shits and giggles, here are some of the combinations I have experimented with. Unless otherwise stated, assume low doses of each chemical. Anyone feel free to C&P the following bits into the combinations thread.

2-FMA: Dosed concurrently, reduces the 2-FMA dose threshold. Synergizes well with the pro-social aspects of amphetamines. May detract from the psychedelia of the MXE.

4-FA: Only one trial, with MXE dosed about 8 hours after the 4-FA. Apparent moderate potentiation of the MXE experience. Uncomfortable. An odd tingling/nubmness in the upper lip that returned with subsequent MXE doses 24 hours later. Will not repeat.

Ethylphenidate: Dosed concurrently, reduces the ethylphenidate dose threshold. Turned into an anxious, jittery, sweaty mess. Will not repeat.

4-AcO-DMT: Plugged a solution of something like 80mg MXE and 20mg 4-AcO-DMT (this one always hits me hard). Plunged into a nightmare world, but the setting was all wrong and 4-AcO-DMT always gives me The Fear anyway. YMMV.

4-HO-MET: Glorious combination. My ideal is a moderate dose of MXE, followed by a small dose of 4-HO-MET at first MXE alerts, followed by a large dose of each 15-30min after first 4-HO-MET alerts. The world turns into a brilliant, sparkly, colorful mess and I can't help but melt into the couch and laugh at it all. Communication is probably difficult but I've only tried it alone. Pure hedonism (if you are mentally prepared for that level of reality warping), with some insight possible if you turn inwards and embrace introspection. I usually dim the lights, sync up the headphones to a good live concert on TV, and just have a blast. Unfortunately, the comedown seems to bring an almost MDMA-esque crash along with it.

Methylone: MXE taken after the fact. Brings back the roll a bit, re-energizes, soothes the fiending, potentiates the pro-social aspects but adds a fair amount of confusion as well. Nothing spectacular. I would probably repeat it if the situation presented itself, but it's not a combo I would seek out or recommend.

DOC or βk-2C-B: Taken at the end of the trip, it potentially turns that long, drawn-out comedown into an otherworldly adventure, similar to but not as fantastical as the 4-HO-MET combination. Likely to repeat, if only because what else am I going to do on a 10+ hour comedown?

5-APB and 6-APB: Only tried this combo once and it was nirvana. Started the evening off with a combination of something like 90mg 6-APB and 75mg 5-APB. At around four hours I added about 20mg of MXE to test the waters. Liking what I saw, I promptly added another 60-80mg of MXE along with 10-20mg of 4-HO-MET. Inspired me to write an as-yet unwritten post. This was quite probably the peak hedonistic experience of my life. Only time will tell, but it may prove to be a ++++. THIS IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. I have heard of others having VERY BAD REACTIONS when combining MXE with APBs. Make sure you know your mind and know your body before attempting anything like this combination.

5-MeO-MiPT: A threshold dose of MXE, ~4mg of Moxy, a couple beers, and a couple bowls, and I am ready to party all night. Not much else to it, but damn fun.

If I think of any others I might come back and add to this, but I'm trying to get my head straight at the moment so it could be a while. Proceed with caution fellow psychonauts.
 
I think it would if people ever knew what it was and got the chance to try it. I doubt it given the status of most RC's.
 
Let it remain a secret for those that already know about it to enjoy. I'm not saying don't share with friends just keep it on the down low so the stuff doesn't get banned. I put it on the same level as more well known street drugs and find it be an amazing tool when used for meditation and connecting. I feel a lot of empathy and love in MXE. Oneness. Much like if I were to take any other awesome substance. Nobody in my life currently even knows I use MXE because I know their opinions on research chemicals. But MXE is really something special. Sacred.
 
MundaneDivinity said:
4-HO-MET: Glorious combination. The world turns into a brilliant, sparkly, colorful mess and I can't help but melt into the couch and laugh at it all.

Interesting, Ill have to try this once I become more familiar with each chemical!
 
Does anyone think that mxe has the potential to become a much more mainstream drug? along the lines of mdma, meth, acid....etc

I met a girl last night at an after party and me and my friends had taken some MXE and were talking about the best way to take it, and she was like "yeah I like eating it best too". I was like, whoa, you know about MXE? She's like yeah, I love that stuff. And all the members of my band all like MXE too and I never introduced them.
 
I met a girl last night at an after party and me and my friends had taken some MXE and were talking about the best way to take it, and she was like "yeah I like eating it best too". I was like, whoa, you know about MXE? She's like yeah, I love that stuff. And all the members of my band all like MXE too and I never introduced them.

Sounds good
 
I just eat the stuff man great results every time. Alcohol makes this trip confusing and not so good after I think after tonight at least in high doses of alcohol. Really takes away from the magical quality of MXE and blurs the vision like nothing else. Literally and also not. As in my emotions feel very confused now making it hard to understand what it is I am actually experiencing and I literally can't see without double vision. Listening to Reflection by Tool searching for clarity.
 
if mxe tolerance was akin to alcohol or marijuana tolerance I am not sure I would see any reason not to do it everyday ... well I am sure there are some, I'm just not looking %)
 
Yeah MXE is great for sociability and empathy. It really is something special. It feels natural in my brain and body as well.

As for alcohol, I enjoy mixing a few beers but more than that and I agree, it gets cloudy and blurry. If I'm going for a high-dose MXE trip, I won't use any alcohol, I just like to casually have a few beers over the course of an evening when I do it socially (which is almost the only way I do MXE generally).
 
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