The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread

[Bella Figura]

Anyone tried this one with LSD?

Anything to be particularly concerned about with the combo?

Thanks

 

[Jamshyd]

^ To me, MDAI seems to be the perfect substance for ensuring a stress-free trip without interfering much with the action of the psychedelic (unlike MDMA, which does a lot more than simply that).

Might prove to be a better alternative to my current recourse (short-acting benzos).

I'd still tread carefully though, seeing that the AIs are still relatively virgin territory, a freak reaction is always a small possibility.

 

[idle cicle]

I have tried a combo of MDAI and LSD. It was nice, but didn't have any of the synergy of a candy flip. It was a low dose of each though, so I will probably experiment with higher doses in the future.

 

[Bella Figura]

Thanks guys

Only found one other report in this thread of someone taking the two together and saying it was really nice. Was planning an acid trip for NYE and thinking about possible goodies I could add into the mix, but I'll most likely be playing it by ear. A freak reaction certainly isn't what I'm after :D

 

[NtT]

I think this may be the case.
Your original math is correct.

Yes, at a pH of 2.4 only a small fraction of the acetic acid will be dissociated.... but:
1) by the time the pH is that low, the MDAI will have been fully converted
2) even if that was the case at the pH of interest, the dissociated acid would react (and be continually replenished as more acetic acid dissociates).

I am not confident that 100mg of MDAI Acetate will dissolve in 1ml of water though. Could barely get 100mg of the HCl into 2-3ml. You may end up needing to add more water ("mix, gently heat to dissolve, and add water if needed" would be my protocol)

OK, so I gave this a try the other night. I eyeballed (I know, naughty me, but I did not intend to consume the results anyway) 100mg and decided to see what would happen.

2mL of 5% distilled white vinegar was added and pretty quickly there was a light tan liquid with most of the now MDAI-acetate precipitated to the bottom. Let it simmer a bit to get rid of the excess acid.

After that I just added 1mL of water at a time, stirred, and heated gently. At about 12mL there was still some bits floating around and I stopped the experiment. Since the point of this was for rectal admin I'm thinking the vinegar conversion just requires too much liquid (unless you're really determined.)

Thanks for the help with the science though.

 

[Xtc <3]

Right im off out tonight to an all nighter and seeing as I cant get good md and meph terrifies me im considering using MDAI instead.
Now I was leaning towards MDAI + Amphetamine and redosing with amphetamine throughout the night however I also have methylone on hand.
Would a bomb of say 175mg MDAI followed by some speed an hour later get me sufficiently high?
Then would it be cool to drop a 250mg bomb of methylone once that wears off about 4 hours later?
Will the methylone hit me just as hard as it usually would or will the effects be dampened by the MDAI + amps?
Is this a risky combo?
Some quick replies will be greatly appreciated. Cheers

 

[ebola?]

2mL of 5% distilled white vinegar was added and pretty quickly there was a light tan liquid with most of the now MDAI-acetate precipitated to the bottom. Let it simmer a bit to get rid of the excess acid.

I believe that was actually unreacted freebase MDAI remaining. I don't see how you could yield both reaction into the salt and precipitation out of solution in one step.

 

[MeDieViL]

Right im off out tonight to an all nighter and seeing as I cant get good md and meph terrifies me im considering using MDAI instead.
Now I was leaning towards MDAI + Amphetamine and redosing with amphetamine throughout the night however I also have methylone on hand.
Would a bomb of say 175mg MDAI followed by some speed an hour later get me sufficiently high?
Then would it be cool to drop a 250mg bomb of methylone once that wears off about 4 hours later?
Will the methylone hit me just as hard as it usually would or will the effects be dampened by the MDAI + amps?
Is this a risky combo?
Some quick replies will be greatly appreciated. Cheers

I friend of mine loves the amph MDAI combo, he has never tried MDMA but he said it was very psychedelic, got eye whigles and loads of empathy and that it was on the most fun things he ever experiences.

Sounds pretty close to MDMA to me.

I've also heared good things about methylone+MDAI.

 

[info.trance]

Next on the list 100mg , 40mg tianeptine and a slowly increasing amount of buphedrone 5 mg increments

 

[Jamshyd]

^ Why the Tianeptine, and what leads you to conclude that mixing all these is safe?

 

[NtT]

I believe that was actually unreacted freebase MDAI remaining. I don't see how you could yield both reaction into the salt and precipitation out of solution in one step.

My memory of chemistry continues to fail me, but I thought the amount of acid molecules needed to react to salt and the amount of water to dissolve said salt completely would be independent. I guessed wrong, huh?

As I admitted this was all eyeballed so the numbers are likely way off. (And it wasn't consumed so can't test that way either.) I'll try again when I have a proper scale.

 

[Iodjini_dk]

Only a certain amount of MDAI acetate can be dissolved in a given amount of pure water at a certain temperature. But I doubt anyone have bothered quantifiyng this yet. The acetate would probably be pretty soluble in water, so Id evaporate the water after converting to salt. But why not just keep it in solution?

 

[MeDieViL]

Next on the list 100mg , 40mg tianeptine and a slowly increasing amount of buphedrone 5 mg increments

The tianeptine would potentiate the MDAI alot, be carefull of serotonin syndrome tough..

 

[hamhurricane]

^^^
theroretically the tianeptine would lessen chances of 5HT syndrome, and i dont think it will potentiate MDAI at all directly (although their may be an indirect additive effect (euphoriant+euphoriant=more euphoria))) but its a complicated question - on the other hand if SSRIs mute the euphoria of 5HT releasers a SSRE could potentially enhance the euphoria, but i can see no direct pharmacological reason why that would be...

anyway, on new years i had a pretty piggish combination of drugs which (regrettably) included selegiline, MDAI, and ephedrine. i am fully aware that combining ephedrine and selegiline is stupid (although i combine amphetamine and MPH with selegiline without any problems on the reg) anyway i have never vomited so much in my life, i vomited for a solid twenty minutes then took a multivitamin and vomited for another ten minutes.

 

[MeDieViL]

^^^
theroretically the tianeptine would lessen chances of 5HT syndrome, and i dont think it will potentiate MDAI at all directly (although their may be an indirect additive effect (euphoriant+euphoriant=more euphoria))) but its a complicated question - on the other hand if SSRIs mute the euphoria of 5HT releasers a SSRE could potentially enhance the euphoria, but i can see no direct pharmacological reason why that would be...

anyway, on new years i had a pretty piggish combination of drugs which (regrettably) included selegiline, MDAI, and ephedrine. i am fully aware that combining ephedrine and selegiline is stupid (although i combine amphetamine and MPH with selegiline without any problems on the reg) anyway i have never vomited so much in my life, i vomited for a solid twenty minutes then took a multivitamin and vomited for another ten minutes.

Tianeptine accelerates the serotonin transporter, so if it reversed by MDAI it would pump out serotonin faster.
It would decrease the risk of serotonin syndrome in a normal situation when SERT is doing its normal job, but not when its reversed by a drug.

 

[TheAzo]

Only a certain amount of MDAI acetate can be dissolved in a given amount of pure water at a certain temperature. But I doubt anyone have bothered quantifiyng this yet. The acetate would probably be pretty soluble in water, so Id evaporate the water after converting to salt. But why not just keep it in solution?

The HCl certainly isnt terribly soluble in water. It's a struggle to get 100mg into 2-3ml of it, and acetates usually are less soluble.

 

[info.trance]

I should really delete my post there is a whole lot of planning I carry out before working on this.

In any case for those of you who are curious I am using Tian as a potentiator and buphedrone to give the combo energy. Now that being said ive heard of this combo being used with MDPV. We may pursue MDPV as an option rather than buphedrone.

 

[IllusionalFate]

Right im off out tonight to an all nighter and seeing as I cant get good md and meph terrifies me im considering using MDAI instead.
Now I was leaning towards MDAI + Amphetamine and redosing with amphetamine throughout the night however I also have methylone on hand.
Would a bomb of say 175mg MDAI followed by some speed an hour later get me sufficiently high?
Then would it be cool to drop a 250mg bomb of methylone once that wears off about 4 hours later?
Will the methylone hit me just as hard as it usually would or will the effects be dampened by the MDAI + amps?
Is this a risky combo?
Some quick replies will be greatly appreciated. Cheers

Forget that other crap, MDAI combined with speed is what I imagine MDMA or MDA would feel like. I've only tried 140-165mg of MDAI combined with 15-20mg d-amphetamine, and it's euphoric, psychedelic, empathogenic, entactogenic, prosocial, tons of love... all those goodies. Very intense too for some reason, just an overwhelming feeling of awesomeness. Taking into account the low dose of speed, I'm sure it'd be that much better with a more balanced ratio of monoamine release - I wonder how someone who's tried both MD[M]A and the MDAI + amphetamine combo would compare them.

I suggest taking the speed first, and when you start to come up dose the MDAI.

 

[ebola?]

DA releasers should most nearly mimic MDMA/MDA. DARIs should come closeish, and won't carry the neurotoxicity of releasers. I have some combo curiosity and speculation:

ethcathinone: Selective NE releaser w/ little to no direct NE agonism, right? Should be like MBDB when combined with MDAI.

buphedrone: Do we know what this is? Well balanced DA and NE reuptake inhibitor with little adrenergic action?

MDPV: does this fall short for some people because MDPV just really sux for some people?

+ selegiline + pea: I bet that this'd be quite dangerous...but would it yield a quick, rushy, mdma-like peak?

ephedrine involved

What was the idea behind this? Does ephedrine improve anything?
I'm sure you know this, but selegiline is really bad (dangerous too) with adrenergic agonists.

My memory of chemistry continues to fail me, but I thought the amount of acid molecules needed to react to salt and the amount of water to dissolve said salt completely would be independent. I guessed wrong, huh?

My line of thinking is that acetate will be formed only in material that forms ionic solute in the solution, leaving unreacted freebase when the limit for dissolved acetate is reached.

 

[MeDieViL]

Id say that MDAI would be very interesting in combination with flephedrone. Fleph felt like a very clean coke like stimulant, i bet this one goes very nicely in combination with other chems.
A buphedrone combo also looks interesting altough i dont have experience with this substance.

Ethcathinone/MDPV combo's would suck imo, but i also dislike MDPV on its own.