Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread

[Psychonautical]

In reguards to some people not having as much fun as others with this compound.
Well i really hate to say it but not everyones mind is exactly the same.

For example. 2c's
I don't think i have ever met any two people who have the exact same kind of trip off of any 2c'
Like Jim and John could take 2c-e and unless they took it together, they would both have a similar trip.

If they took it seperately and one guy was like "urgh my body" and another guy was like "I'm Lovin it"
it turns into a rendition of is it set or setting?
is it your own Physical make up?
Did you eat something funny that day before taking the LSZ.

I've noticed that if i eat meat, especially processed Meat, before consuming any Lysergimides. I generally do not hallucinate.
Instead i have a very very heady, very godlike experience.

Anyone who has NOT had fun with this compound i strongly recommend a fast, before doing it.
Then once you get used to how it is a little bit Heavier than LSD perhaps your mind can manifest more amazingness out of it.


Also out of the two compounds ALD-52 is the Clear Winner.

 

[Si Dread]

Wow... well I love both these new lysergamides, I do not eat much meat & I always fast before even light psychedelics. I also amost always EAT once I've come up, tripping, which has been almost universally successful for me.

I tend to have lower tolerance generally, I wonder if that is a diet thing... Interesting points anyway...

 

[Wubb]

Has anyone tried this in combination with AMT ?? I was thinking 20/25mg of AMT with half a tab, maybe a whole if I'm feeling it, this will be in a party setting, for some reason I find communication a little difficult on LSZ hence why I want to add some AMT in the mix, I'm pretty experienced with both chemicals.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

Anyone who has NOT had fun with this compound i strongly recommend a fast, before doing it.
Then once you get used to how it is a little bit Heavier than LSD perhaps your mind can manifest more amazingness out of it.

Thanks for this. I'm one of the ones who has "NOT had fun with this compound." Pretty much the opposite of fun, actually. In fact, I had pretty well decided to give up on LSZ ... but maybe I'll give it one more shot with a total fast? Since I've got the material, and it would otherwise go to waste most likely, I might as well.

 

[jason7]

Somebody should try predosing with Kudzu, a natural plant root which antagonizes 5-HT2c receptors. I can't get it in the small city I live in because nobody stocks it. Others would have a better chance of finding it though. 5-HT2c has negative effects and is actually anti-euphoric. LSZ has stronger 5-HT2c affinity than the psychedelic 5-HT2a affinity, which is 8.3, higher numbers meaning less strong effects. LSD in contrast is about 3.5. So LSZ is significantly weaker on that one while having 5-HT2c affinity of 6.5 (LSD has 5.5). Now if you could knock down the 5-HT2c effects of LSZ you might be able to make it a lot more like LSD.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

Somebody should try predosing with Kudzu, a natural plant root which antagonizes 5-HT2c receptors. I can't get it in the small city I live in because nobody stocks it. Others would have a better chance of finding it though. 5-HT2c has negative effects and is actually anti-euphoric. LSZ has stronger 5-HT2c affinity than the psychedelic 5-HT2a affinity, which is 8.3, higher numbers meaning less strong effects. LSD in contrast is about 3.5. So LSZ is significantly weaker on that one while having 5-HT2c affinity of 6.5 (LSD has 5.5). Now if you could knock down the 5-HT2c effects of LSZ you might be able to make it a lot more like LSD.

I'd be up for trying this as your logic makes sense. I live in NYC ... and if it's not at my local store (run by a Bhutanese family, so it's possible) I think I could definitely find it in Chinatown. Any more info. or suggestions?

 

[Help?!?!]

Somebody should try predosing with Kudzu, a natural plant root which antagonizes 5-HT2c receptors. I can't get it in the small city I live in because nobody stocks it. Others would have a better chance of finding it though. 5-HT2c has negative effects and is actually anti-euphoric. LSZ has stronger 5-HT2c affinity than the psychedelic 5-HT2a affinity, which is 8.3, higher numbers meaning less strong effects. LSD in contrast is about 3.5. So LSZ is significantly weaker on that one while having 5-HT2c affinity of 6.5 (LSD has 5.5). Now if you could knock down the 5-HT2c effects of LSZ you might be able to make it a lot more like LSD.

So in essence as far as I remember this is more like mushrooms, given the 5HT2C affinities? I believed that's why I never really got into mushrooms or 4-AcO-DMT as it was either to mild or to anxiogenic. Now i'm kinda put off about trying this one.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

Somebody should try predosing with Kudzu, a natural plant root which antagonizes 5-HT2c receptors. I can't get it in the small city I live in because nobody stocks it. Others would have a better chance of finding it though. 5-HT2c has negative effects and is actually anti-euphoric. LSZ has stronger 5-HT2c affinity than the psychedelic 5-HT2a affinity, which is 8.3, higher numbers meaning less strong effects. LSD in contrast is about 3.5. So LSZ is significantly weaker on that one while having 5-HT2c affinity of 6.5 (LSD has 5.5). Now if you could knock down the 5-HT2c effects of LSZ you might be able to make it a lot more like LSD.

As I said a couple of posts up, I'm game for trying this. I dropped by the health food store on my block tonight on my way home. They have Kudzu ... both supplement capsules and a big bag of "Kudzu starch" meant to be used as a thickening agent in cooking. What's your recommendation? That I take a whole bunch of the supplement capsules -- maybe even for days in advance -- and have at it? What dose of LSZ? I've tried up to 450ug with plenty of physical discomfort and not much else. I'm all ears...

 

[jason7]

As I said a couple of posts up, I'm game for trying this. I dropped by the health food store on my block tonight on my way home. They have Kudzu ... both supplement capsules and a big bag of "Kudzu starch" meant to be used as a thickening agent in cooking. What's your recommendation? That I take a whole bunch of the supplement capsules -- maybe even for days in advance -- and have at it? What dose of LSZ? I've tried up to 450ug with plenty of physical discomfort and not much else. I'm all ears...

Okay, we're getting somewhere now. Firstly, the starch is good for cooking but that's about all, it's a high quality starch though, good for gourmet types. The capsules are what we need for this experiment. You don't want to take a large dose, as I've read that it can have adverse effects at high doses. You would want probably about 500-700 mg, which would likely be a single capsule. You would take it shortly before the LSZ so it can have time to process in your system, maybe 30 minutes before the LSZ. Then you would take probably 2 blotters of LSZ, a moderate dose sufficient to test if Kudzu can suppress bad effects. Then simply wait and see what happens. Thanks for doing this, by the way. This may help a lot of people, especially me, as I get quite unpleasant effects from LSZ and no euphoria whatsoever. Let the experiment begin, Dr Jekyl.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

Okay, we're getting somewhere now. Firstly, the starch is good for cooking but that's about all, it's a high quality starch though, good for gourmet types. The capsules are what we need for this experiment. You don't want to take a large dose, as I've read that it can have adverse effects at high doses. You would want probably about 500-700 mg, which would likely be a single capsule. You would take it shortly before the LSZ so it can have time to process in your system, maybe 30 minutes before the LSZ. Then you would take probably 2 blotters of LSZ, a moderate dose sufficient to test if Kudzu can suppress bad effects. Then simply wait and see what happens. Thanks for doing this, by the way. This may help a lot of people, especially me, as I get quite unpleasant effects from LSZ and no euphoria whatsoever. Let the experiment begin, Dr Jekyl.

The capsules I found were 613 mg (really?) so they're right in your suggested range. Question for you ... even if they're not available locally to you, they're all over the Internet. Any reason you haven't just ordered them from a vitamin/herb vendor?

Whatever the case, I'm definitely still down to try this -- I want to figure it out, too. I *think* I have 300ug of LSZ on hand, but I'm not totally sure -- need to check. (That may sound strange, but I kind of lost track of my personal supply of LSZ when I decided to give up on it. I bought a bunch but could never get anywhere with it. That was hugely disappointing BTW ... I thought LSZ was going to be IT.) Anyway, if I don't have any, it's only slightly harder to obtain than the herbal supplement. (Man, who ever thought I'd be typing something like that?) A week at most. Not sure when I can make this happen ... maybe end of next week or the week after?

 

[Help?!?!]

Okay, we're getting somewhere now. Firstly, the starch is good for cooking but that's about all, it's a high quality starch though, good for gourmet types. The capsules are what we need for this experiment. You don't want to take a large dose, as I've read that it can have adverse effects at high doses. You would want probably about 500-700 mg, which would likely be a single capsule. You would take it shortly before the LSZ so it can have time to process in your system, maybe 30 minutes before the LSZ. Then you would take probably 2 blotters of LSZ, a moderate dose sufficient to test if Kudzu can suppress bad effects. Then simply wait and see what happens. Thanks for doing this, by the way. This may help a lot of people, especially me, as I get quite unpleasant effects from LSZ and no euphoria whatsoever. Let the experiment begin, Dr Jekyl.

It's a good experiment, but I must honestly ask you J7 after reading the majority of your posts, have you had a "good trip" on any psychedelic chemical you like? You said you always wanted to explicitly LSD type trip
(back in the 80's or something... sorry can't quite coin it!), is this simply all your searching for an exact match? I can see you understand pharmacodynamics, as such, but are you in s good place in life?

So far it seems the LSZ pool is a mixture of contradiction's. At least at certain doses. Whilst AL-LAD remains reliable as always. It reminds me exactly of the opposition I know some feel from mushrooms/4-AcO-DMT/in comparison between the two. Especially given the affinities, obviously a lysergamide is going to be a potent pup to play with, but can we wholly summarize that with LSZ's higher 5HT2c agnoist qualitlities, that is is more like "LSD murshrooms", while AL-LAD is simply laying in line with LSD.....?


This is all i'm looking for, because I need to test LSZ but I do know 5HT2c's have always given me a bit of a problem. I know "technically" we shouldn't even bring 4-HO-DMT into this conversation, but i'm beginning to wonder if like Mushies;s to me, LSZ will still be acceptable because synthetic "4-HO-DMT" in pure form was a ride for sure, but as most others agree it was very different from 4-AcO-DMT/Mushrooms!

Either way bravo to J7 for his idea, it is indeed, one of thought!

 

[jason7]

The capsules I found were 613 mg (really?) so they're right in your suggested range. Question for you ... even if they're not available locally to you, they're all over the Internet. Any reason you haven't just ordered them from a vitamin/herb vendor?

Whatever the case, I'm definitely still down to try this -- I want to figure it out, too. I *think* I have 300ug of LSZ on hand, but I'm not totally sure -- need to check. (That may sound strange, but I kind of lost track of my personal supply of LSZ when I decided to give up on it. I bought a bunch but could never get anywhere with it. That was hugely disappointing BTW ... I thought LSZ was going to be IT.) Anyway, if I don't have any, it's only slightly harder to obtain than the herbal supplement. (Man, who ever thought I'd be typing something like that?) A week at most. Not sure when I can make this happen ... maybe end of next week or the week after?

I live in Canada and the only source I could find was Nature's Way Supplements but they don't sell from their site, you have to find a local distributor and their list said there are none in my Province. Ordering stuff from the US is way too much trouble with Customs and I also would rather not have a package come to my PO box that feels and sounds like a bottle of pills anyway. However, if you test it and find it's valuable then I could go to the trouble of having a local health store order it in and then me pick it up there. Regarding you not actually having any LSZ on hand, that is a bit of a fly in ointment.

It's a good experiment, but I must honestly ask you J7 after reading the majority of your posts, have you had a "good trip" on any psychedelic chemical you like? You said you always wanted to explicitly LSD type trip
(back in the 80's or something... sorry can't quite coin it!), is this simply all your searching for an exact match? I can see you understand pharmacodynamics, as such, but are you in s good place in life?

So far it seems the LSZ pool is a mixture of contradiction's. At least at certain doses. Whilst AL-LAD remains reliable as always. It reminds me exactly of the opposition I know some feel from mushrooms/4-AcO-DMT/in comparison between the two. Especially given the affinities, obviously a lysergamide is going to be a potent pup to play with, but can we wholly summarize that with LSZ's higher 5HT2c agnoist qualitlities, that is is more like "LSD murshrooms", while AL-LAD is simply laying in line with LSD.....?


This is all i'm looking for, because I need to test LSZ but I do know 5HT2c's have always given me a bit of a problem. I know "technically" we shouldn't even bring 4-HO-DMT into this conversation, but i'm beginning to wonder if like Mushies;s to me, LSZ will still be acceptable because synthetic "4-HO-DMT" in pure form was a ride for sure, but as most others agree it was very different from 4-AcO-DMT/Mushrooms!

Either way bravo to J7 for his idea, it is indeed, one of thought!

No, I haven't had a good trip from any RC psych yet really. The first time I tried AL-LAD it was only one and I barely felt it. Second time I took 2 but I also took some Motherwort tincture with it to counter adrenergic effects like vaso. I felt pretty crappy that time but it may have been the Motherwort interacting in a bad way. I only ordered 3 AL-LAD so that was end of the supply. I had rather severe tremors the whole trip and felt generally really uncomfortable. LSZ had no tremors but the nausea for the first few hours made it unworth the somewhat better latter part of the trip, which lacked the nausea but wasn't really anything special, some slight visuals and no perceptible euphoria. Right now I have an aversion to trying it again. Diphenhydramine might cut the nausea but it still wouldn't have any euphoric component. I'm hoping that antagonizing the 5-HT2c effects with Kudzu might actually make it euphoric and less ill feeling.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

Regarding you not actually having any LSZ on hand, that is a bit of a fly in ointment.

Nah ... not really. Very easy to procure as I said above.

 

[jason7]

Nah ... not really. Very easy to procure as I said above.

Then the experiment is on, in a week or so. In the meantime, maybe you could try a capsule by itself and see is it produces a mild euphoric state as some have said. As long as you don't take any for a couple days before the experiment the results should be valid.

 

[wormdevil]

Nah ... not really. Very easy to procure as I said above.

GG, looking at the very stark comparison between your experiences and that of others, I would be more inclined to believe that what you have may not be LSZ. In such case, I'd check with others who purchased from the same vendor, if that is not possible, I'd either try to get a friend to try your stash and/or to procure more from another vendor.

I'm thinking of getting some of this as well, but hoping that prices would drop a bit. The illegal counterpart is cheaper at this point.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

GG, looking at the very stark comparison between your experiences and that of others, I would be more inclined to believe that what you have may not be LSZ. In such case, I'd check with others who purchased from the same vendor, if that is not possible, I'd either try to get a friend to try your stash and/or to procure more from another vendor.

I agree that it is, indeed, stark. Sorry about that. I just figure that we're all different. But, of course you're absolutely welcome to believe whatever makes the most sense to you. I've done at least a couple of things that you suggest: namely, I've conferred with others who have purchased from the same vendor (different experience than mine); and I've ordered from two different vendors (same personal experience across vendors). I've also got absolutely no reason to mistrust what I received from my preferred vendor. Every other product has been absolutely as indicated. And, let's face it ... aren't we all using the same outfits and getting the same stuff? Especially those of us who have found upstanding vendors who are willing to ship to the U.S.? Let's just say that there aren't a thousand of them, right?

That said, if you have a suggestion as to what this might have been, I'll totally hear you out. I'm certainly not here to defend anything or anyone. I wish LSZ were more positive for me than it is. And if I can get it to be that? Hey, so much the better!

I'm thinking of getting some of this as well, but hoping that prices would drop a bit. The illegal counterpart is cheaper at this point.

Mindful of the forum rule that prohibits price discussion, maybe I can speak in relative terms: you can find bargains right now.

 

[wormdevil]

I've done at least a couple of things that you suggest: namely, I've conferred with others who have purchased from the same vendor (different experience than mine); and I've ordered from two different vendors (same personal experience across vendors)

Seems like you've been quite thorough with your research in such case the most meaningful explanation is the "YMMV."

 

[Help?!?!]

LSZ LSZ oh how I love thou to dance with me, oh LSZ and AL-LAD, what grand fun we've had. Makes me miss LSD all that much more though... Ah well the time will return as it always does!

 

[jason7]

Could someone here who actually HAS some LSZ try it with Kudzu tablets/capsules and see if it cuts the bodyload any please. It's in your own interest to try it. I'm not trying to prank you or anything. Or am I the only person here who really has LSZ and everyone else is just making up stories? No stores have Kudzu where I live, thus my request for others to try it. Finding someone to do so seems to be as hard as finding the Holy Grail though, oddly enough. Seems like a simple enough thing to do if you live in a major metropolitan area with numerous health stores. Kudzu is quite cheap.

 

[Si Dread]

... no, I'd rather not. As I have tried this compound in varying doses & found almost non-existant body-load, if indeed there were any unpleasant aspects to the material, I do not feel the need to risk queering the pitch by adding anything to the mix. Do you live in some self-contained fascist state where you can bizarrely buy LSz on the internet but not "Kudzu"? If not, just buy some on the internet, have it delivered... & best of luck to you!

I am delighted to admit that I do indeed have a little LSz on ice, because such a blatant admission of possession of a LEGAL lysergide harms no-one...