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The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration

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I wish I had this pure as the tartrate salt.
 

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I’m wondering something…. and I’ve searched for the answer with no luck. People say to get the Heavenly Blue variety of Morning Glory seeds (Ipomoea Tricolor). I noticed that some places advertising Heavenly Blues seeds say Ipomoea Purpurea.

I see some heavenly Blues that are advertised as Tricolor and some Heavenly Blues that are advertised as Purpurea but they all say Heavenly Blue. Are there any major distinctions? Are Heavenly Blue (Tricolor) more potent than Heavenly Blue (Purpurea), or are they pretty much the same thing from a psychedelic perspective?

And if there are any major differences (effects, dosage etc.) between the 2, what are they? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Another question. When using the non polar substance (naptha, patroleum ether) do I dispose it after I'm done with it or am I able to keep it and reuse it for future extractions?
 
LSDMDMA&AMP said:
no, a blotter wont hold a dose of LSA
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Yes it could. While only 1/10th as potent as LSD....Ergine (LA-111, d-lysergic acid amide) is still a potent psychedelic and 1-2.5mg is a full active dosage.

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Thanks for the reply morninggloryseed. Do you know approximately how much better Heavenly Blue Tricolor are than Heavenly Blue Purpurea. I’m not looking for anything super specific, just a general guess. Is it like 3-5% stronger or 300-500% stronger, or that impossible to say?

Is Heavenly Blue (Purpurea) a worthwhile seed for the purposes of a psychedelic experience?
 
I don't think I've ever seen too much analysis in the way of comparing the alkaloid content of Ipomoea tricolor (aka Ipomoea violacea) vs Ipomoea purpurea.

Then the question becomes a matter of whether the seeds are wild caught, or from plants bred for their flowers. Plants bred for their flowers are not likely as potent as plants growing wild that indigenous peoples chew for entheogenic effects. This is speculation on my part, but I say that because the dosage of seed used in their native Mexico is described as a thimbleful for Rivea corymbosa and half yet for I. Tricolor.

I've eaten a lot of morning glory seeds, but none so potent as half a thimbleful is enough to do the trick.

Clearly, wild seed from Mexico is light-years more potent than Burpee brand seed. Even the seed ordered in bulk online is not likely to be wild-caught...but probably come from plants bred for their flowers. Otherwise, they wouldn't call them 'heavenly blue' or 'flying saucers' as those refer to the flower.

I would love to see vendors carry authentic, wild-caught seed from Mexico.
 
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Good information. Sounds like the best thing to do with some Heavenly Blue (Purpurea) seeds would be to start small and go from there. If it’s not enough then wait a week and try a larger dose. Hopefully they will be somewhat active without having to eat TOO many extra seeds.

I’m new to this and although I’ve done a fair amount of research, I’ve found very little discussion relating to Heavenly Blue (Tricolor) vs. Heavenly Blue (Purpurea). I’ve read some discussions about Tricolor vs. Purpurea, but not in the context of having them both be Heavenly Blues.
Thanks again, you’ve been most helpful.
 
I would recommend mom and pop garden stores or chains such as a Calloway's, in Texas at least. I once bought some ultra potent I. Tricolor from a garden shop, untreated of course, ground to a fine powder with a coffee grinder, and consumed in orange juice. I believe my dosage was 9 grams(I weighed approximately 160 pounds at the time) and they completely kicked my ass. OEV's with a wonderful mesoamerican flavor, peace, love, and a sunny day were all resultant or contributed to/from the trip. It was one of the stronger LSA trips I've ever had and rivaled 3 hits of quality acid.
 
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Tricolor is the more wild type, purpurea is the cultivated plant for flowers. Tricolor should be better.
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This was a hasty statement. As far as I can tell, both purpurea and tricolor are in the trade for flower seed. The proper statement to make is seed for pretty flowers will not be as potent as strains used for entheogenic seeds. I've never seen any analysis to suggest tricolor is more potent than purpurea.
 
Ok, I’ll try to make this the last time I bump this thread. Has anyone tried the Purpurea variety of Heavenly Blues with any good results? Is there still a decent chance they would work since they are still Heavenly Blues after all? The more I read, the more I’m starting to wonder if these would be a worthwhile seed at all.

I’ve found tons of discussions on Heavenly Blues, and some discussions about Purpurea, but almost nothing about the Purpurea variety of Heavenly Blues, and whether or not those seeds are worthwhile.

Has anyone tried the Purpurea variety of Heavenly Blues? Did it work?
 
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Has anyone tried the Purpurea variety of Heavenly Blues with any good results? Is there still a decent chance they would work since they are still Heavenly Blues after all? The more I read, the more I’m starting to wonder if these would be a worthwhile seed at all.

I’ve found tons of discussions on Heavenly Blues, and some discussions about Purpurea, but almost nothing about the Purpurea variety of Heavenly Blues, and whether or not those seeds are worthwhile.

Has anyone tried the Purpurea variety of Heavenly Blues? Did it work?
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Heavenly blues seem only be from I. Tricolor. According to wikipedia, Ipomoea purpurea give us Crimson Rambler' 'Grandpa Ott's,' 'Kniola's Black Knight,' and 'Star of Yelta seed.

I am not actually convinced that all strains of Ipomoea purpurea are active.

I have found wild specimens that looked in every way, shape, and form like Ipomoea purpurea but they were not active.

And I have had friends who have tried "Crimson Rambler' seed and found it inactive. So I believe the jury is still out.
 
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I suspect that you are correct and that Heavenly Blue can only be I. Tricolor. That’s what most of my research indicates. The confusion started when I noticed a few vendors advertising Heavenly Blue as Purpurea. I suspect this is simply an error; a lack of attention to detail on the part of those vendors, though I obviously can’t be sure of that.

An interesting side note: I wrote to 1 vendor and basically asked him, “I noticed your Heavenly Blues are called Tricolor while other sites call them Purpurea. What’s the deal?”

The vendor replied like this: “There are two varieties of Heavenly Blue. We believe our variety (Tricolor) is the prettier one.”

I suspect the reply I received is untrue, and was simply better for their business than to say “we don’t know.” In any case, I’ll now consider this issue to be resolved, as much as possible at least, for the time being.
 
I've just taken around 12 HBWR, chewed them for 15 minutes before swallowing. It's been around an hour and half and I don't feel anything other than very subtle dissociation.

Did I need to chew them longer or do they just take a while to kick in? Hoping I don't have a bunk batch.
 
They can take a while to come on but you should be feeling something by now I would have thought. Bunk batch is a definite possibility cos from what you said you did it like wot you should do. May still be in the post though - can take a good coupla hours sometimes. Soon find out.
 
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