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The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration

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ok so here's an updat...mainly Audio Hallucinations..some weak tracers, i'd do it again, but with a much higher dose.

also, i have had NO neasua this entire time...even 8 hours after dosing.
 
It's really interesting to me how some people's bodies get so much more nausea from MG than HBW or HBW than MG, wonder if that has more to do with the alkaloid profile of the particular seeds they're eating are the people's bodies are unique in how they handle the same drug or what. I've def. noticed some batches of HBW are way more nauseating than others. And actually now that I think about it I remember there was one brand of MG Heavenly Blues that were INCREDIBLY nauseating yet the other brands aren't so bad.

Oh, in case anyone didn't know, now is the time of year stores are restocking MG so go out when you get the chance and stock up as buying them from the store now they'll be fresher and hopefully more potent than waiting till months from now. Once concern I have is some brands of MG seeds the packets dont seem very airtight at all so I fear the longer they sit on shelves the more they're being exposed to air and heat.

I wish MG's were cheaper at stores. Sure, they're inexpensive to trip on for a lot of people but when you need 20-25 grams like me it gets pretty pricey and I generally don't like spending $20 just for one trip.

I'd love to get feedback from you guys on how the mental, visual and physical effects of Heavenly Blues, Flying Saucers, Pearly Gates, Wedding Bells differ and whether you find combining diff. strains synergizes. Also, anyone had magical synergy from combining MG with HBW? I'm yet to try that combo and didn't know if their alkaloid profiles are really different enough for the combined trips to synergize.

I used HBW 2 weeks ago so I'm thinking next time I LSA trip it will prob. be on MG's. I'm really curious how Cacao Nibs (purest form of Cocoa on the market anti-oxidant wise), Beta-Carbolines (specifically Harmine or THH) and possibly Piracetam would boost a MG trip for me. Then in the future rather than Cacao Nibs I shall try using Kola nuts or Theobromine as an MG potentiator. Supposedly Cocoa, Kola and Theobromine all boost Huasca combos or LSA's QUITE nicely.

I prob. will also end up adding Kratom into the mix and perhaps Japanese Sweet Flag root (which I grind up and soak in water and vodka 24 hrs then strain leaving me quite a euphoric, pleasant feeling tincture (in a mild, mellow MDxx-ish sort of way). The 1 time in the past I combined Jap. Sweet Flag 10X with HBW was quite nice, adding to the euphoria and offsetting the sedation of the HBW.

If I had some Hydergine I'd of course add that into the above combo too but that shit's just too damn expensive. And eventually I'd like to try Moclobemide with HBW or MG rather than Beta-Carbolines. I really have a feeling THH will be quite synergistic with LSA's, perhaps in a way far superior to Harmine or Harmaline.

I sometimes wonder how well some Mescaline, DMT or Salvia would compliment an LSA trip. I wouldn't recommend any LSA beginners try some of the crazier LSA psychedelic cocktails I recommend, though. For me I very, very gradually let myself get a feel for LSA's before i delved into one by one combining HBW and MG with various other psychedelics. And I assume I've been very fortunate to so far not had any very toxic feeling reactions to my experimental LSA cocktail combos.

It really baffles me how rarely I hear of anyone combining Moclobemide with Tryptamines. Seems like it could have so much potential yet for whatever reason (prob. mainly due to lack of access or knowledge) most seem to resort to Beta-Carbolines as their MAOI source to potentiate Trypts.

I also spend time wondering how well various Adaptogens like Ginseng or Eleuthero would compliment LSA. Rhodiola def. goes well with LSA for me in terms of adding energy and clarity. I can bet Poppy tea would be lovely on an LSA comedown. Wonder how quidding good ol Peruvian Coca leaves would compliment LSA.

A reminder- please, be very cautious in combining any vasoconstrictive drugs or strong stimulants with LSA's. And always approach a new batch of HBW or MG at a low dose as you don't know how bad the vasoconstriction will be. And remember preloading on vasodilators like L-Arginine, Niacin, Theobromine, Cacao can help open up one's blood vessels, counterating the dreaded LSA vasoconstriction. I've been told that if using vasodilators with LSA it actually is best to take a second dose of vasodilators during the trip so that the first dose doesn't wear off, causing a rebound vasoconstriction.

Oh, and to anyone who hasn't tried using Ginger for LSA nausea you might want to check it out. Use either fresh Ginger tea (4-5 grams) or Reed's Ginger Ale (most brands of Ginger Ale don't actually contain Ginger but Carribean brands like good ol Reed's do). For some reason Ginger really seems to help the bloated feeling of LSA nausea.

I was wondering how any of these stimulants combine with LSA? Subultiamine, 1,3 Dimethylamylamine (I assume too much vasoconstriction to be safe?), Hordenine, Vinpocetine (not a classic stimulant but an altertness aid), Modafinil (aka Provigil)

One day I may risk trying LSA's rectally. I haven't decided the best way to go about it. I could just grind HBW, pack it in capsules and plug it (slide it up my lubricated rectum) but I doubt that would be very efficient. More likely the best approach would be to mix ground HBW with water in an oral syringe and plug that. Although, maybe it would be better if one made a HBW water extract rather than plugging the actual ground seed material?

I'd love feedback from you guys on whether you think it would work better to rectally inject (via oral syringe) the HBW powder in water or a HBW water extract. I assume trying to rectally inject a HBW water extract with peppermint extract added might burn like a mofo.

Also, I had an idea for making taking HBW sublingually easier. How about putting your ground HBW into little pouches (such as chewing Tobacco pouches or teabags or something) and finding a way to seal them and sitting the pouches in your cheeks 30-45 minutes? That way since the HBW powder will be in pouches one won't need to worry about accidentally swallowing a lot of the powder while they have it in their mouth. If you think this is a good idea what would be best to use as the pouch and to seal it?

It's also crossed my mind how perhaps adding some DMSO solvent to HBW powder in one's mouth might increase sublingual absorption, as DMSO is rumored to increase sublingual absorption of certain drugs a lot.

Just some various thoughts to bounce off you guys. I love the passion you all have for learning about and experimenting with LSA's and trading your knowledge on here and helping to wisen the online LSA community. Keep up the great work :)
 
I grinded 600 seeds and brewed them into tea, to no effect. I've tried dosing on morning glory seeds four times now, and it just won't work for some reason.
 
Grind 5-10 grams of Burpee Heavenly Blue in a coffee grinder to as fine a powder as possible and mix into your favorite flavor of ice cream malt. Make sure the ice cream is a very sweet flavor with a thick texture to overpower the taste and texture of the MG seeds. Drink on a relatively empty stomach with only a little bit of light food in it at the most. Once you feel experienced with 5-10 gram doses if you feel your mind is ready and are in the right setting you may want to eventually try a 15-20 gram dose eventually (slowly working your way up the dosage ladder as, I, The Wizard, have).

Preloading on Ginger tea or Reed's Ginger Ale may help counteract nausea the MG seeds may possibly give you. And preloading on a few capsules of L-Arginine and Niacin (both vasodilators) can help decrease the vasoconstricting (blood vessel narrowing) effect of MG seeds.

If eating the MG seeds gives you nausea make sure you fight the nausea for a good hour or 2 before letting yourself vomit (to ensure all the LSA's in the MG seeds have absorbed). Some puffs now and then of herb may help soothe your stomach.

If you try my method and STILL don't get effects I don't know what to tell you. Maybe the universe feels you aren't yet ready to experience LSA's...(I kid, I kid, LOL).

Things that can cause MG seeds not to work well or at all: you buy the wrong strain of MG seeds (some strains aren't psychoactive so stick to Heavenly Blues, Flying Saucers, Pearly Gates, Wedding Bells), you buy really old MG (ageenough or at all (the more ground the seeds are the better the LSA's will absorb), you use the wrong preparation method for the seeds (such as dumping the ground weakens the psychoactivity of the seeds, especially if the seeds have been exposed to air, heat, moisture and/or light), you don't grind the seeds seeds into really hot water which will destroy the LSA's or mixing the seeds with tap water), throwing up too soon after swallowing the seeds before the LSA's have had a chance to absorb, or eating too low a dose of MG's when you have been doing them a lot recently and have built up a high tolerance.
 
Not if you use tap water. Chlorine is a bitch on ergoloids...

Might be true. I used bottled water for this sole reason. It was some kind of mineral water (not distilled), but it worked well anyway.
 
Grind 5-10 grams of Burpee Heavenly Blue in a coffee grinder to as fine a powder as possible and mix into your favorite flavor of ice cream malt. Make sure the ice cream is a very sweet flavor with a thick texture to overpower the taste and texture of the MG seeds. Drink on a relatively empty stomach with only a little bit of light food in it at the most. Once you feel experienced with 5-10 gram doses if you feel your mind is ready and are in the right setting you may want to eventually try a 15-20 gram dose eventually (slowly ...

They were of the heavenly blue strain, and we ground them into a very fine powder before ingestion. I'm frustrated at not being able to get any psychoative effects out of them. My stomach did feel a bit uneasy, but that might have just been because of the absinthe.

I'm thinking about ordering HBR seeds from a reputable source who intends for them to be used as a psychedelic. If MG seeds won't work for me though, should I even bother? I would just go with acid but I haven't been able to find any for a while XO
 
The morning glory heavenly blue is the best, in it's own special way. My legs consisted of total diagonal jewelry and the mood was stong as hell =D. Very entertaining, it just takes some tuning for couple hours with music. HBR are also good, maybe 10 peeled, but much weaker than advertised. And it's something like 1000 kilometers away from panic unlike LSD. The feeling is quite heavy and good after couple hours. It's not strong in euphoric way, but still...And the seeds have to be cleaned, at least the mgs. To not to get ill symptoms. Little bit of illness is something you get anyway, but some meds like xanax help to that. Anyway, i wouldn't repeat them anymore. 250 of the "heavenly blue" and a lot of trance gets you there.=D By just chewing them.

So, what the heck, put hooks in water and choose quality, variety and dose and consume weekly as quid. But they are shitty poisonus to legs. I remember that time it was something to use as LSD. They did even sell it in stores. They don't anymore in my country because druggies hogged'em for couple springs.:p
 
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Well.. after much research ive decided i want to give LSA a go.. have done an ungodly amount of LSD (hard to get right now!) , Shrooms, Salvia, Molly, E, Some San Pedro, even gave dramomine a try once(sucked.).. so i have much Psychedelic experience. I do not get sick very easily but will be taking one 50mg dramomine and possibly a chewable rolaid to help with possible stomach issues. i have 3 packs of heavenly blue and one grandpa ott (gonna actually grow some of those..) I am still debating on crushing and mixing with applesauce, or crushing and soaking in water.. i figure 150 hb+ a few of the others should be a good "baseline" for me to start at to observe effects..

question... this "fuzzy coating" that is suppose to relate to potency, is that on the HBW or MG?
 
well.. i was hoping for an answer.. but i gave it a shot anyways...


took approx 175 MG seeds and motar n pestled 'em.

tried a spoonfull in some water, gross

mixed in applesauce.. yum! cant even tell its there!
7pm

about 45 mins later.. a bit nautious, i can feel something going on in the stomach (LSA+Dramamine+Rolaid chewable)
but its not unbearable.. slightly uncomfortable

my fiance sits with me and we chit chat while waiting for stomach to settle (took about 2 hours to be "normal" again, but wasnt that bad..)

it feels VERY reminisent of LSD, like im at hour 10 of a good trip i was shocked at how similar it was.. trails were decent etc. so very like LSD i found it slightly difficult to hold conversations with anyone except the fiance (we are very comfortable people.) but we went out n grabbed a movie n some snacks i was happy to still have a fairly normal thinking ability and full control over myself (unlike my experiences with salvia)

i DID however forget to wash the seeds prior to eating, could mean even LESS stomach issues.........

will be trying again soon... with a med. dos.. maybe 250 or so.. and washing seed casing

its now 12 am while i write this.. all in all.. worth more examing.
 
Imho, the active ingredients are also in the surface, but there might be some kind of coal(or pesticide) too. It sure is best to soak them in water before eating to get them soft. And wash them at the same time. They are less active when surface removed, but less toxic. I quess the stomach problem is about the seed pulp.
 
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Indian Strain

I've bought some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds and discovered that they are the Indian strain which seem to be far less effective than those from Hawaii. I took 14 last night and felt very little from them, not even particularly nauseous either.

I have about 100 left is there any way that I could take them to feel any effects, would grinding them all up together and mixing with a bit of water before taking them do anything for me or are the Indian strain completely worthless?
 
what do they look like? are they fuzzy and gray/brown, or are they light brown, smooth, and look kinda like a popcorn kernel? If it's the second kind, then you got ripped off.

i don't think the 'indian' strain is actually even the same kind of plant.
 
Yeah they are smooth, read about it a bit more and some places say you just need to take twice as much to feel the effects but that didn't work for me, think I'll just take what I have left and see if it does anything at all.
 
Was wondering if being on citalopram would reduce the effects of HBWR or not? I ate four (or maybe five) the other week and while it was an extremely pleasant experience it felt like it had a bit more potential. Admittedly that's a fairly low dose as I was kind of testing the waters.

Just wondered though, as I don't want to up the dose and waste what I've got if it's going to keep me at that level, would rather have enough left for several similar experiences to what I had.
 
How much water would be recommended for 10g of seeds? And is there any conclusion on whether lemon juice works well for the extraction? I loved my LSA experience a lot but the 2 hours of feeling like death were really hard on me.
 
Morning Glory Seed Questions (any experts on these out there?)

I really really really enjoyed my first LSA trip and it was my first psychedelic experience. I want to do it again but I am really turned off by the nausea and cramping I experienced before I was finally able to vomit. Are there any tips you have that work really well to make it at least bearable? It was easily the worst nausea I have ever felt from anything in my life. I can take the DXM nausea easily compared to this. It's the biggest obstacle. The next one is actually consuming the seeds.

The first time I dumped the 10.5 grams into two cups of applesauce and scarfed. It wasn't so bad at the time but now I can't even look at applesauce, LOL. I use the Bupree brand does anyone have a definitive answer on whether these are sprayed with any chemicals and if so does washing them in soap with hot water actually get rid of them?

So if any of you are frequent users of this substance and have some tips or tricks to making it better please let me know. I have posted in the big and dandy lsa thread but noone really pays attention to it anymore =(

EDIT: I know cannabis is good for diminishing nausea unfortunately that isn't an option as it can cause some major anxiety and possibly psychosis I fear. =/
 
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Merged in a question about MGS.

Well, the nausea is a bit hard to take sometimes, isn't it? Did you ever throw up? Some people are afraid to, but I find that after throwing up I always feel a million times better. Hold off until it's been about two hours since taking them, or as long as you can. Oftentimes vomiting can really kick a trip in, and the release of the negative feels involved with nausea is quite an emotional boost. :)

Other than that, laying down helps a lot, of course. Marijuana does help, even a tiny bit. I agree it can sometimes cause anxiety but it also sometimes reduces anxiety just because it makes me feel so much less nauseous. Even a tiny, tiny hit will do and will be less likely to cause nausea.

Ultimately, my best advice is to let yourself throw up after it's started to kick in. Maybe someone else will chime in with another idea.

Also, did you get vasoconstriction? LSA-containing plans can cause it pretty badly sometimes. If you do, then next time, take L-arginine (an amino acid available at a store that sells supplements) the night before, and also the morning of the day you're going to trip. It should help your veins to stay un-constricted.
 
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Yeah I did feel the vasoconstriction but it wasn't really a problem at all. If I had been walking around somewhere it probably would have been but for me it was just a "hey it's starting to work!" I also did vomit and boy was it the best vomit of my life! I went from feeling like absolute death to holy crap I am tripping and wow this is the best I have ever felt in my life. So yes the vomiting did help immensely but I wish I could prevent the 3 hours beforehand. I figured 3 hours was long enough to get it all absorbed. Could I have throw up a lot earlier without losing any potency? And has anyone had success with meclizine aka dramamine II? If so how much would you recommend?
 
i had an incredibly positive lsa trip last weekend. it was a little get together for my best friends birthday. i was on i think 6 1.5 gram bags of burpee morning glory seeds, phenibut, beer, and weed. i totally got over my last relationship which had been fucking with me severely, realized i'm a pretty attractive dude when i'd been down on myself for a long time, and my social anxiety has dropped an incredible amount to where i'm talking to people i don't know all the time. basically, i realized that hey, i'm pretty cool.
 
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