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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

I think it would begin pretty fast, I would expect it would still take maybe up to 2 hours to peak though. Orally the peak fully hits around 4 hours in.
 
So the rare time has come when I have multiple days off work/responsibilities, with the house to myself. Would DOC be a fun chemical for a solo trip during these strange times? Would the stimulation and duration be too much and how functional is 2mg?

I enjoy stimulants as tools for productivity/creativity, can DOC be harnessed like speed to make artwork etc? How bad is the vascoconstriction compared to Amphetamine base or other phenethylamines? I have extensive experience of 2c drugs but not of any DOX compound.

I am very comfortable tripping alone and have a slight tolerance, from a lot of mushrooms combined MDMA last week.
 
DOC is very functional at 2mg, also quite strong and visual. DOC is an enabling sort of trip in general. In my opinion though you want to have something to do, physically, during the first stage. Although making art might suffice, I often want to be moving around, at first. And by at first, I mean like the first 8 hours lol. DOC is very long. The vasoconstriction is noticeable and greater than a reasonable dose of amphetamine, but I don't find it bothersome until 3mg or more, then it becomes slightly uncomfortable. L-arginine helps if you preload with it.

DOC is one of my favorite substances, and it's really good for artistic expression.
 
It depends. I found 1.5mg to be fine indoors, but while surprisingly strong, it wasn't a full or rich experience compared to 2mg. In one occasion, 2mg gave me several hours of restless stimulation, where I had to be engaged in an activity or I felt fairly lost and uncomfortable. On another occasion, the same dose produced no restless stimulation for me, but a friend that dosed 2.5 had several hours of pacing and restless stimulation in a big house. I wouldn't describe it as a functional space, just "very functional relative to how hard I'm tripping."

TripSitterNZ said:
DOC has always been Class A drug here along with all other DOx compounds. I only done DOM which do you think is better?
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Most people seem to rate DOC as a top tier psychedelic. Reports on DOB and DOM are more mixed imo. DOI doesn't have many fans. Preliminary results on DOiP, DOET, and DOF don't make them seem like home runs. DOPr sounds phenomenal, but very few people have evaluated it.
 
Xorkoth said:
Haha, it sure will. Keep you up that is. 500ug will make you trip a little bit, 250ug will probably not but will give your day a sparkle. Either one will keep you awake for a long time. Actually every time I make the 13 hour drive to visit my family, I take a microdose of DOC because it keeps me laser-focused and entirely free of getting fatigued/drowsy. And then it keeps me up half the night too even if I take it at 5am. But I have a hard time sleeping and am sensitive to things keeping me awake, and have absurd durations for psychedelics these days for some reason.

Note that I don't recommend taking DOC in any amount for driving. I do it because it demonstrably makes for a safer drive, for me, due to lack of driving fatigue. I would not do so for a shorter drive.
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I can also attest DOC is very good for this purpose and as a sort of general stimulant at these doses (less so at 500 ug vs 250 ug). I've used this to combat fatigue due to a number of circumstances the past few years. I use a solution that is 250 ug/0.1 mL and I've experimented a lot with these two doses in particular. With 500 ug, things for me get borderline psychedelic as well vs a amphetamine psychostimulant type feel at 250 ug which can be quite nice for a low key day or combining with other substances.
 
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Huh, that's interesting. DOC gives me headspace way before it gives me stimulation. I tried threshold dosing it twice and it was a horrible functional stimulant for me. 10mg of MAL, on the other hand, worked well as a peppy 10hr cup of coffee alternative. I haven't revisited it for that purpose, because I hate hammering my 5-HT2a receptors unless I have to. I don't need any more psychedelic tolerance
 
psy997 said:
NO. Making artwork at home does not suffice, in any way, with DOC. That was my plan the first time I used it and I ended up forcing myself to drive to a park, I was so uncomfortable.
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I find the artwork and creative sides are better after an expenditure of energy. With DOC I will hike for hours and then about 8 hours in I'm ready to draw. I find DOC great for photography since I'm up and moving but still exercising some creative decisions
 
Pfafffed said:
Huh, that's interesting. DOC gives me headspace way before it gives me stimulation. I tried threshold dosing it twice and it was a horrible functional stimulant for me. 10mg of MAL, on the other hand, worked well as a peppy 10hr cup of coffee alternative. I haven't revisited it for that purpose, because I hate hammering my 5-HT2a receptors unless I have to. I don't need any more psychedelic tolerance
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I mean functional is one thing, but as you know can be highly subjective and the duration of mild stimulation/energy in my case was the desired effect I was after most times.

Interesting about MAL. Reminds me that this is one I need to try, especially with all this quarantine time!

I hear ya on the tolerance as well, but I grew fond of using lysergamides for this purpose at one point which is what lead me to trying DOC and I think I prefer it over the lysergamides I've tried (1P-LSD, ETH-LAD) for stimulating microdose/threshold effects looking back. I wasn't really taking full doses much when I was doing this sort of thing more regularly, so it didn't matter as much in my case. I can't comment on tolerance to psychedelic effects unfortunately, but imagine I would've definitely noticed some especially if I didn't switch which class I was threshold/microdosing with vs blasting off with.
 
DOC is very water soluble, yes. I have never heard of anyone IVing it, my guess would be it still would build over hours. It might be dangerous to IV, so if you do, proceed with extreme caution and please report back.

I think plugging or nasal would be sufficient. The come-up isn't unpleasant at all, anyway.
 
It's very BA orally too, I have only ever taken it orally. But plugging and nasally should be similar I would think. I'm not 100% sure.
 
IV DOx, I wonder how that is, never read of anyone attempting it. I also like the long come up in general, and it's only like 2 hours and then you're well into it most likely.

Pfafffed said:
Most people seem to rate DOC as a top tier psychedelic. Reports on DOB and DOM are more mixed imo. DOI doesn't have many fans. Preliminary results on DOiP, DOET, and DOF don't make them seem like home runs. DOPr sounds phenomenal, but very few people have evaluated it.
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DOB is amazing, very psychedelic and a very full in its effects. DOI is different, less deep and the mental intensity of DOB seems replaced by crazy visuals. I think it's very much possible to have a meaningful and deep experience on it but it certainly feels more shallow. I have read of people really liking it though, certainly worth trying if you like psychedelic amphetamines.

How visual is DOC for you guys actually? My first trip on it was extremely visual, but it never was afterwards (almost distinctively unvisual), even in higher dosages. That trip must've been so good that I broke something.
 
i'll try 2mg in two week. then if that doesn't get there, i'll do 3,g two weeks after that.

the few affects i did experience from it were extremely positive.

at .5mg foolishly staggered creating tolerance, i still got light visuals.
 
headfuck123 said:
So the rare time has come when I have multiple days off work/responsibilities, with the house to myself. Would DOC be a fun chemical for a solo trip during these strange times? Would the stimulation and duration be too much and how functional is 2mg?

I enjoy stimulants as tools for productivity/creativity, can DOC be harnessed like speed to make artwork etc? How bad is the vascoconstriction compared to Amphetamine base or other phenethylamines? I have extensive experience of 2c drugs but not of any DOX compound.

I am very comfortable tripping alone and have a slight tolerance, from a lot of mushrooms combined MDMA last week.
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Went for 100 mics as a test run today. Bare in mind spring is my favourate time of the year, ive felt a bit flat after recently coming off Kratom, having a lot on my plate even before this covid problem. The long walk in the sunshine today felt really nice, mindful, not rushed, open and colourful even at such a low dose. Maybe it was seeing the blossoms, feeling the sun and getting a break from isolation or maybe it was the DOC microdose.

I walked at least 8 miles and once returning home noticed some pupil dialation, mild stimulation and a slight mood lift. I added 25mg 4ho-mipt to ensure that if the DOC keeps me awake, it will still be an interesting one at least.

Excited to give this one a propper try at around 2 - 3mg, once tolerance drops after a reasonable break. To me it feels like this could be a really great aesthetic enhancer, with enough mood shift and depth to be a really worthwhile psychedelic.
 
DOC is indeed a wonderful aesthetic enhancer, and is very thought-provoking, worldly, and lovely. It reminds me very much of mescaline in some ways, and also like LSD. It's truly a gem. It lasts a long time, like really, a long time, so that's the only thing to watch for. I'd start at 2mg, rather than 3. The difference between the two is substantial.

I once added 30mg of 4-HO-MiPT at about hour 8 or 10 of DOC, and it was one of the most profoundly joyful and impactful trips of my life.
 
So the 4ho-mipt didnt add much due to tolerance so a silly impulse decision led me to 15mg of 2ce. Had been years since i'd taken some and I forgot how strange and powerful it is. Really wasnt the right time for such an endevour, felt a bit creeped out almost as if something was watching me but not in a paranoid way. No real insights, time for a long break as ive hammered my receptors quite a bit these past weeks.

Back on topic though, DOC really does have some long legs, cant wait to give it a whirl when im in better shape for it.
 
I once combined both 4-HO-MiPT and 2C-E, it had a surprising amount of synergy and had me crawling with pleasure. Interesting that you got such strong effects and tolerance from only 100ug. Like only on half a mg I can say I'm definitely tripping
 
headfuck123 said:
So the 4ho-mipt didnt add much due to tolerance so a silly impulse decision led me to 15mg of 2ce. Had been years since i'd taken some and I forgot how strange and powerful it is. Really wasnt the right time for such an endevour, felt a bit creeped out almost as if something was watching me but not in a paranoid way. No real insights, time for a long break as ive hammered my receptors quite a bit these past weeks.

Back on topic though, DOC really does have some long legs, cant wait to give it a whirl when im in better shape for it.
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Yeah in the absolute best case scenario I can't sleep for about 20 hours after dosing, in a 3mg dose make that 24 or more. I will still be a bit trippy that whole time too.
 
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