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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Contained said:
Great advice here with testing a half blotter then using the other half as a potency gauger. Redosing is not a very good idea with DOx's.



LSD and DOC are not similar in potency. DOC is active in the low mg range and LSD in the ug range. Very very very big difference. LSD takes about 15-40min to kick in orally depending on if you've got food in your stomach and your personal metabolism speed, and DOC takes anywhere from 1-2 hours orally, usually closer to 1.5hr for me.

I agree that swallowing is the better idea here, but just for you to know for future HR purposes, it's possible to complex the nbome's to make them orally bioavailable, so using oral administration as a sole qualifier for weather or not it's NBOMe is not a good idea. Reagent testing is always the best way to go. (I don't want this to sound like I thought you wouldn't be testing in the future, just adding this so you know that NBOMe can be orally bioavailable if complexed).
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I should have expressed myself better, sorry. I meant that I know that LSD has about the same bioavailability oral and sublingual, I've got quite some experience with acid, I was just wondering if the same is true for DOC. But I gather from you reply that it is. Indeed I will only use the oral ROA as an extra safety precaution, on top of reagent. I was just wondering if I risked losing a bit of potency by using oral ROA instead of sublingual with DOC

I've indeed heard that before that sometimes 25i and the likes can be active orally while in other cases they are not active, very weird. Thanks for the reply, very informative! Going to order the reagents soon and I'll proceed from what they tell me
 
Okay, so I finally tried some of this out. Snorted 20 mg of 10% powder. Even at a mere 10% it still burnt like hell. Then I felt generally crappy which is still persisting at this point, several hours after administration. It gives me the shivers and feels like something I need to shake off only it'll take a whole 24 hrs to shake THIS one off. Nothing special about it. Standard PEA type effects, stomach discomfort and tremors. Nothing to recommend it over any other psych that I can see. I will be careful to avoid this compound in future, by keeping it safely contained in its bottle. It makes me feel generally "icky", though admittedly somewhat less icky than many other psychs I've tried, but still plenty icky, no doubt about that. If somebody passed this off to me as acid I'd say that's the worst acid you done ever gave me, dog, I'mon hafta punch you now. Nothing personal, just the way it is, I'm sure you understand.
 
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Xorkoth said:
Bummer man, wish it worked for you like it does for me. Well, different strokes for different folks.
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You seem like a pretty resilient guy, Xorkoth, so what's good for you may not be good for others. Can't say this stuff is agreeing with me. The literature says that most people who try DOB or DOI experience dysphoria as the major effect so it looks like DOC is no exception, at least for me. Psychs in general aren't working for me. I hope MXE will be better. That's the next thing on my list.
 
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Tried DOC three times now. 4mg the first time had me in iboga-land (overwhelmingly intense but I did love it until I wanted sleep....second time was 1.5mg taken 1hr after 60ug LSD. Third go was with 1.75 mg. With the LSD, DOC was just stellar. A long day of playing guitar. At 1.75 mg (no other substances), I had a nice ++ all day with considerable adderall-like action (which I enjoyed).

I would not recommend DOC for the novice, even at lower dosages it is going to keep the mind active for 16hr at least. But for the aficionado, this is A1 gold material.

Note: all doses were taken orally.
 
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I could see DOC mixing really well with LSD. I will probably try that at some point.

I agree DOC (or any DOX) is not for novices, simply due to the duration. You take it, and you're locked into a trip for a LONG time. Though DOC is quite friendly, if something went bad it could go really bad because of the duration. And I find that benzos don't really even touch a DOC trip, and alcohol does not dull it. Once you're in, you're in for the duration.
 
MundaneDivinity said:
Definitely try to rule out any NBOMEs though. There is a lot of overly-potent NBOMe blotter floating around and IMO they are not even worth experimenting with in that form because of the strong possibility of overdose.
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I'm not sure you can... DOX and 25X have far too similar reactions to Marquis and Mecke reagent. I don't know about other reagents.
 
DOC is an excellent nasal decongestant. My sinuses have been very clear all day. It wouldn't be a bad drug except for the underlying general stomach unease and long duration. I was able to eat but there was a feeling in the pit of my stomach all day that just wouldn't entirely leave. I think I'll stick with LSD for all my psych needs. This was something to try out though. I must say, it burned like hell when I snorted it, even cut to 10%. LSD is one of the few chems that doesn't have a burn to it when you snort it, by crushing up microdots for instance.
 
^That's my only problem with doc is the god awful stomach cramps that last well into the next day. This may be a stupid question but does inositol not burn when you snort it? I ask because even the slightly impure doc I have insufflated doesnt burn.
 
Yeah for me I never get stomach issues on DOC, except sometimes when I have food in it and I take it, I get a bit of sour stomach feel. I've thrown up a few times, years ago, during the come-up, but usually it's very transient discomfort that disappears when it reaches full effect. Over half the time I don't experience any stomach discomfort at all. The only unpleasant come-up effect is that sometimes the energy building up feels alien and jittery until it stabilizes at 2-2.5 hours in.
 
Oh ROXIanne! said:
^That's my only problem with doc is the god awful stomach cramps that last well into the next day. This may be a stupid question but does inositol not burn when you snort it? I ask because even the slightly impure doc I have insufflated doesnt burn.
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No, inositol doesn't burn. You can feel it slightly but that's about it. Maybe there was a slight amount of residual isopropanol in the powder, but it seemed completely dry. I don't know but it sure did burn. Most methoxy compounds will burn pretty bad.

Now that the whole trip is over I can report that it wasn't too bad really, aside from the stomach issues, but it wasn't positive enough to say that I actually enjoyed it. It did keep me stimulated for a good 16 hours before I finally was able to sleep after smoking a bunch of hash. Feel fine the next day. I just don't see any advantage over LSD aside from the lower price. You can definitely tell it's an amphetamine, from the nasal decongestion and the stimulation making you wide awake. Just overall it was not particularly enjoyable and did not give me an urge to take it again. I find the phenethylamine/isopropylamine compounds to be a poor substitute for LSD. If LSD was not available then they might be worth using but why use cooking wine when you can get champagne? Price is not my prime concern. I want an enjoyable experience whatever the cost may be. If I don't enjoy it then what's the point, right? I just get a toxic feeling from PEAs and PIAs and even tryptamines.
 
Xorkoth said:
Damn, even the tryptamines? Wow, bummer. I agree that LSD feels cleaner than all of them though.
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Yeah, tryptamines invariably make me nauseous and cause pretty severe tremors. Haven't tried DMT yet, so maybe that one would be okay. I don't really like the idea of smoking an amine though. Can't see that being good for the lungs. It would be sort of like smoking ammonia, I would think. Tryptamines are all pretty low in potency so you have to take a fair amount, like with the PEAs. I don't really like having to get a sizable amount of a compound into my body because they always seem to have some kind of unpleasantness, like bad taste or nasal burn. Sure, I could put some in a capsule or whatever but then that's just extra fussing. LSD is so convenient to administer.
 
Haha, putting things in a capusle takes two seconds and most tryps have dose ranges inbetween 5-30mgs for standard to strong effect. aMT,aET, and simple truly tryptamines being the exceptions I can think of off the top of my head. I understand though because I feel like LSD is probably my favorite, though mescaline can certainly give it a run for its money at the right dose as well as 2c-E.
 
I had an experience whereupon recently I've began to further question the startling implications it might suggest. I know that there have been a few alleged DOC deaths roaming about the internet although so far I've been mostly unable to confirm anything - but I had a rather interesting experience in which my pet rat managed to get her hands on - ingest a large amount of DOC, and was completely fine -

It was about three years ago now, back when DOC was really popular in my area and easily acquired. I had actually chosen to buy a vial, but being perhaps a bit inexperienced (to say the least) I was dumb enough to transfer the contents into a Visine eye dropper bottle, typically administering about two drops as a 'dose.' (Essentially having no reliable way of measuring it, hence the naivete.) I know that when I bought the vial it was 100mg. At the time, I had had a few pet female Rats, and my girlfriend and I had gone away to the beach for a weekend; little did we know that one of our Rats had actually managed to escape in my room. Eventually making its way up to the top of my dresser drawer - where I had kept my vial out of plain sight, and for whatever reason was attracted to it because she actually chewed through the vial and consumed the remaining liquid. I'm going to estimate that it HAD to have been at least 15mg's she had taken, possibly more. When we got home we noticed we couldn't find her anywhere, and through some sixth sense I discovered that the vial had clearly been chewed through by a rat and put two and two together. Naturally, I was quite terrified and very upset with myself , expecting to find my rat horribly contorted and dead in some corner of my room under my bed, so I looked for her to no avail for two days. This was rather strange, but lo and behold , the third day rolled around and I discovered her, happy as ever, bruxting (a sort of purring that rats do when happy) behind my bed. We honestly couldn't believe this, but physically speaking she was totally fine. From then after she always exhibited a few strange signs, like she was always really 'spaced out' and wouldn't perform like rats normally do. She suddenly wasn't afraid out in the open - as rats are normally very careful and hug the walls - and she was constantly bruxting, like she basically never stopped after that point. She became a lot more sociable with people and ever more curious, in fact the whole thing was pretty awesome. Still though I personally find it incredible that a rat could have consumed a dose that I would have never myself considered taking and appeared to be completely fine. I think the highest I've gone is probably about 10 mgs and that was definitely too much. My rat probably weighed about a total of a pound. Any thoughts? I considered that the amphetamines in DOC ( even though I know they're minimal) alone would have been enough to kill a Rat, but apparently not because she lived a full live thereafter and never had any problems - and if anything was definitely enlightened to some degree by the experience. Oh she also loved when we'd blow weed in her face and would frequently steal and eat it as well.
 
ummmmm this may seem like a stupid question, but is that report about an actual rat? This isn't some sort of subtle SWIM reference? An actual rat, yeah? Wow, hella fucking dose for a rat!

In many cases serious reactions to drugs are idiosyncratic, unique to the individual in question, either an allergy reaction or some sort of underlying, unknown health issue, mental or physical. As such it can often be quite difficult to pin down exactly why a particular substance is more or less likely to cause problems. In other words, it might not necessarily be a dosage related issue when a particular drug seems to cause problems.

You're right though, the limited number of reported fatalities from DOC make it difficult to form an opinion as to why fatalities might occur, & how to avoid them.

PS Your rat's a hardhead!
 
Help?!?! said:
Haha, putting things in a capusle takes two seconds and most tryps have dose ranges inbetween 5-30mgs for standard to strong effect. aMT,aET, and simple truly tryptamines being the exceptions I can think of off the top of my head. I understand though because I feel like LSD is probably my favorite, though mescaline can certainly give it a run for its money at the right dose as well as 2c-E.
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Yes, I could put tryps in a capsule but if a compound is yucky tasting I can feel the yuckines even if I don't taste it. The trip itself feels like the yucky essence of the chem permeating my body.

And about the rat who took the DOC, I'm pretty sure he meant a real rat because it's doubtful that a human was bruxting under his bed.
 
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^Hahahah, yeah. He found his friend bruxting behind his bed two days after he got a massive dose of DOC. Who knows, maybe that theory has some credibility? :P
 
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