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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

psy997 said:
That's pretty risky making such a strong solution though. Sure you have the tools to handle it, but spill just a bit and there goes a quarter of your DOC, nevermind the extra drop when dosing adding 1.5-2x the dose desired.
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That's a good point and I'll be extra careful when I'm dosing. Unlike this morning when I took 400uL when actually I wanted 40uL for a microdose. So 4mg instead of the intended 0.4mg. I realised my mistake when it started to come up a lot stronger and faster than expected. I'm already yawning as I write this, one hour after this incident.

I never went above 2mg with DOC so I've inadvertently upped my game a bit. Should be an interesting day :)
 
Humble Bumble said:
That's a good point and I'll be extra careful when I'm dosing. Unlike this morning when I took 400uL when actually I wanted 40uL for a microdose. So 4mg instead of the intended 0.4mg. I realised my mistake when it started to come up a lot stronger and faster than expected. I'm already yawning as I write this, one hour after this incident.

I never went above 2mg with DOC so I've inadvertently upped my game a bit. Should be an interesting day :)
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So, you are on 4mg of DOC now?.. If so than indeed it will be an interesting day, I think! :)
 
Confused and conflicted over this one: 2mg was mostly not good. Edge of trippy 2.6mg bodyload no worse and looking more positive. Still sort of edge of trippy-nearly but for points 3.1mg Puked this time and expecting something after a long uncomfortable come up really not sure if it’s stronger than 2.6mg Just different; assuming degradation very unlikely in refrigerated 40%abv spirit. Slightly more of the floating, ebbing lines…less CEV...pretty mild sort of...assume 0.5mg increments get steep at some point versus talk of 7mg.10mg

What’s the real selling point of DOC? It’s sounding slightly more recreational end of things? Not thinking mental clarity is up there but maybe not too head fucky either. All dose depend of course. I need encouraging on with this : ) Can’t think of any negative comment on this one but sort of caught between not trusting this stuff and what it does to the body and sensible titration and expending so so so much time slightly frazzled on this stuff; todays bordered on irritated-bored; ended up turning music off (9.5hrs in so not not quite half way maybe) in fairness before the comedowns have been relatively speaking reasonably comfortable and the anorexia not too severe late on and the residual insomnia easily dealt with (benzos) …so am I just 0.5mg or 2mg off this being great or what I don’t know. All the respected voices say yes and none dissenting. Already durations have probably been pretty much towards 20hrs but others saying 12hrs till you ramp the dose up - so guessing sadly beyond 24hr is quite doable : /
 
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I think we're all affected differently... for me, DOC is crystal clear mentally, euphoric and social, quite visual, and very functional. Great for stuff like hiking, playing music, or a party. I have met people who think it feels dirty though. There is definitely a strong body component. I like it anywhere from .5mg to 4mg. Generally I find 2mg these days is a solid functional trip with lots of analysis of self and whatever else I think about but not too light, while 1mg is much lighter but the same sort of thing. At 3mg and above it starts to get more powerful and altering mentally, but I've never really experienced any real ego dissolution on it.
 
What were you doing during your experiences Sir Ron Pib?

If you were sitting down or being stationary in any way that's likely why it felt uncomfortable. For me I literally cannot stay at home on DOC, I have to be out and about being active and moving.

Also, are you sure of the quality of your material? Even 1.2mg presents a trippy state, albeit not a full-on experience, but much stronger than expected considering the usual dose of 2.5-4mg.
 
pretty sure of the material (can get it tested) but like lots I think am not a hard head then approaching top of shulgins doses or above to get anything. As I say each attempt was trippy but as dose increases bodyload broadly increases faster than the trip. Yesterdays setting was non optimal for sure but even music was boring. I spent time out in nature which was good but it would be on any psychedelic - but I was highly uncomfortable and the stimulation seems to co exist with feeling burnt out/tired. Some time was spent supine for sure dealing with the nausea, confusion and other effects. The second go I had a ok time in bed due to CEVs. Broadly a range of things - a party or socialising wouldn't interest much on or off this but personality plays a large role there.
The rest of the evening was pretty grizzly- hard work. with low mood. Benzos around 15hrs allowed some comfort for the rest of the evening and thanks to them I got to sleep around 18hr.
The dose range quoted has been suggested inadequate for a good few so not sure that is indicative in it's self and Xorkoth has talked of some thinking this is dirty which is nearer my assessment. 100ug acid would be functional and would have more than the benefits of 3mg of this without all the problems frankly nor the unworkable duration. I see no reason to repeat lower doses. I think the only way to get something out of this is to take a higher dose (4mg with loads of benzos on hand) so that it goes from mild more or less generic trippyiness to something distinct and hopefully impressive. That won't be anytime soon for sure after yesterday. After that I'd probably have to conclude it just not for me which is disappointing but no dissent from the enthusiasm would be odd I suppose. Thanks for your replys - shame I'm possibly not in the club
 
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What you described sounds about right. Trying to attain an LSD or mushroom-level of psychedelic intoxication is not a smart move (IMO) with this one. You *can* get there! But have fun with the body load and blocking out a solid 48 hours of your life for the trip, crash and recovery.
 
Finally I got a hold of DOC (white crystalline HCL powder weighs more than it appears, e.g. 5mg of DOC HCL looks very small compared to most phenethylamines I've worked with), so I have tried an allergy test with 500mcg - felt amazing! Kind of like a very clean light LSD, there were even some very vague patterning going on and my mood went up pretty high, very impressed with it so far! :)

Going on a long hike with a close friend in a few days and we both planning to take 2mg DOC (volumetric dosed in vodka) and supplement with 35mg of DPT (up the nose) and perhaps smoke some freebase DPT as well at the end of the hike. %)
 
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Yes, the fine white crystalline stuff I have is very dense. An active amount can be practically invisible. First time I had it was under a milligram, ~600-700ug and it was amazing. It came on much quicker than any other experience I've had with the stuff and was much more of a mescaline 'zen-like' almost stoning feel. It was just around sunset and I went for a walk to get some food because I hadn't eaten all day.

I was looking up at the trees, the rows of houses that I walk past every day with that alien mindset like I was seeing everything as if it were brand new. Even though I ended up eating fast food, it was one of the best meals I've ever had. Not so much an enhancement of flavour, but a feeling of gratitude like I was eating my first real meal after spending a year on a deserted island.

All of my experiences since have been more stimulating, more visual and taken much longer to come on. Surprisingly, I'm still able to eat just fine. Excellent stuff.
 
Pretty sure not. But maybe someone knows for sure. I am confident that if you washed it off quickly there would be no chance at all, even if there is a chance if you let it soak (which I am thinking there isn't).
 
Got 300mg of this stuff enough to last me a life time. Haven't tried it yet, need to find the time. Festival season has started so after allergy tests, reagent and a small dose at home I look forward to hitting festivals with this.
 
DOC is an awesome festival drug, really top-notch. Great foir any active sort of thing. I remember my first music festival I did a bunch of LSD, methylone and MDMA with MXE and nitrous for 2 days/nights and the 3rd morning I was fucked, felt like my brain wouldn't work. I took a dose of DOC and it powered through and I had an amazing day, it was the best of the 3 days.
 
That is reassuring to hear. I have so many phens and tryptamines in my collection but wanted to have doc for these multi day festivals. Last year 2C-B-FLY was a nice ally along with 4-ACO-MET, 6-apb and 6-Apdb. I will stick with weed and doc this year.
 
AMT is another amazing festival drug because it's basically half a roll and half a trip and it also lasts a long time, 12-16 hours, a little less long than DOC. DOC is more cerebral though, definitely a more powerful psychedelic. Both are very pro-social which is obviously great (almost a must really) for festivals.
 
They're both great festival drugs !

Is either of them compatible with let's say 80mg MDMA at T+10hours?

Reports on erowid suggest not. This is so sad :(. Theoretically it sounds like a match made in heaven, no?:)
 
AMT and MDMA is a dangerous combination that has killed a number of people and, along with 2C-T-7 + MDMA deaths, largely led to operation web tryp in 2001 that really put focus on the RC scene and changed the landscape.

DOC and MDMA aren't dangerous to mix, but in my experience the DOC overpowers the MDMA. I have heard good reports from some but I've tried it a couple of times and it was kind of a waste of MDMA honestly.
 
Yea and don't even try a tiny amount of MDMA with aMT or the opposite. I did 15mg aMT succinate, so less than that even of actual aMT, with 100mg MDMA and ended up with a super mongy not so fun roll and a literally zombifying next day hangover. Not only the only time I've ever had a hangover or suicide tuesday from MDMA, but the worst day after of any night I've ever had, on anything. Literal inability to think, barely able to move, etc. Horrible. Three friends all feeling the same way too.
 
Tried a modest dose of 5-MAPB at around eight or nine hours into a DOC experience. It seemed to add a dreamy, mildly dissociating element to what is usually quite a lucid trip. I usually found 5-MAPB to lack stimulation at lower doses though. I can't say that the low dose 5-MAPB nullified the adrenaline of the DOC but it definitely augmented the effect.

Basically my head was in the clouds for a few hours and after a spliff and a 2am stroll about the neighbourhood listening to some music, it wasn't too bad. Probably wouldn't bother mixing the two again though, even if 5-MAPB was still available.

It was certainly no LSD/MDMA or mescaline/ketamine type synergy.
 
I'll stick to 4ho-met then as an empathogenic redose.

Anyone into microdosing DOC? I remember asking before and only one person had done it. Maybe now there are more that have tried?:)
 
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