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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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I was wondering if anyone knew how much of a HT2B agonist DOC is (it's affinity)? I'm just trying to figure out how bad this is for your heart. I think I've heard that DOI is 70% and DOB 100% if I remember right.

Can anyone explain to me how something being a heavy HT2B agonist causes damage to the heart and how bad the damage is? Thank you!
 
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from memory it does something to growth regulation in the heart valve which causes abnormalaties - thickening or uncontrolled growth or something of that nature. should be lots of info on it which you can extrapolate from phen-fen.

i have been thinking about highish dose DOC lately, perhaps around 3mg:)
 
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I'd call that a light/medium dose but that's just me.

Of course in the spirit of harm reduction I'd suggest anyone start below 1mg to test the waters or at least with around 2mg and be prepared for a possibly strong trip :)
 
i have always used psychs in a semi-responsible manner, never more than weekly (unless short acting) so my tolerance is still quit low, 2mg produced +3 effects for me.
3mg will def be a treat.
 
DOC at 3mg was very managable, say +2.5 I had no problem going to the post office etc. Sleep was possable at 12 hours. Very smooth. Ive only got 6mg left which Ill take all at once. 2.5mg DOB was mcuh stronger, in terms of bodyload and psychdelia, than 3mg of DOC. I prefer DOC immensly more than DOB even though I havent had a +3 with it yet
 
The first time I did it, I took what I thought to be ~1mg (in 1ml H2O/ethanol/DOC solution) to test the waters, and there were no effects to speak of.

It might be that I had made the solution too weak - I was aiming for 1mg/1ml, but I don't trust my scale too much so maybe I was a bit too conservative. Anyway, the 2nd and 3rd time were done with the same solution.

Second time - around 5 days later - 2ml at around 9:00 in the morning. Waited until about 12, and when nothing much had happened took 2ml more. Now this worked :) A very mild and pleasant trip, came in waves and lasted until sometime early in the next morning. Tracers, patterns on walls moving in strange ways, etc. The exploding stars were really nice to watch :)

Third time - 3 or 4 days after the second time - 5ml of said solution around 10am - tracers for several hours, but nothing more... Went to sleep around 1-2am with no problem. A buddy took the same amount at the same time, with no effects whatsoever, according to him.

I was even doubting if this might have been something other than DOC, but the length of the first (successful) trip, I think, should pretty much confirm that it is real. Also, I'm sure there was some sort of tolerance because of the short time between trials, and also cross-tolerance with a number of other substances... (methylone, butylone, mdpv, mushrooms, weed, alcohol...) - not taken at the same time of course, but on consecutive days. Lack of sleep could have contributed as well. It was a case of "too much stuff to try out, too little time".

Now I'm waiting for a suitable time to take the last 5ml of the solution. Hoping for a stronger experience this time. :)
 
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about two months ago i had my first DOC trip, dosage would be 2mg, maybe a bit less.

it was about 2am in the morning when i did it and i had some amphetamine and some beer before (i know, not the most responsible thing to do, but it was a caught-in-the-moment decision and i knew this would be the last opportunity to do it for the next weeks because of my work)

i also had a sitter, who only had amphetamines and some pot. 10mins after ingestion we decided to go to the 24h-shop to get something to drink. i made the fatal mistake to forget my keys (i dont attribute that to the DOC, 10mins in would be too short for that) and well it was middle of the night, my sitter living too far away to be an option to drive to and it was cold.
so there i was, middle of night, no way to get that frickin door open and coming up on a very potent psychedelic i never had taken before. murphy someone? :)
as i didnt wanted to pay the nightshift-fee for some lock-emergency service we basically had to wait there for like 4-5hours.
so yeah, some fucked up setting there ;)

anyway, i felt the first effects about 40mins after ingestion and i think at T+90M i had the first visual effects.

three hours into it i reached the peak, or more a plateu, which then lasted for about seven hours. It was a pretty solid ++ experience, allthough i guess the setting somehow dampened the strength somewhat.

at about T+17h i reached the point where i could say "ok this is finished now" but still it kept me from falling asleep so i had to take a few benzos (had only lorazepam at hand which doesnt work that good for falling asleep for me) but then sleep was no issue, woke up slightly exhausted but no real hangover (apart from the benzo hangover) after some 12h sleep.

did i like it? yeah pretty much, the setting was not exactly helpful for my mood but i had no real problems with it as i found that it gave me some quite profound mood-lifting buzz and body high which actually reminded me a bit of methamphetamine (had that only 3 times in my life in lowish dosages).
the psychedelic headspace was kindof fluffy (for a lack of a better word for it) and the visuals were pretty and sortof stylish to look at.

what i also really liked was the real smooth slow but steady comeup, you dont get jumped at and have all the time to slowly find your way into the experience, id go as far to say that of all the psychedelics i did in my life (quite a few 2c's, all the "oldschool"-tryptamines) this has the best comeup-phase.

what i didnt like was the the duration, the plateu was just like 1-2hours too long, i got tired of that "psychedelic stimulation" in my head but just when i was about to seriously enter the "ok, this sucks!"-headspace it entered the "second phase", the long and slow but steady comedown, which was really relaxed and chilled. at the end though i kind of crashed a bit, not really mental, more like total exhaustion (it reminded me of the meth-comedown as well).
allthough i think i felt some vasoconstriction and had some chest pain issues, but these might have been psychosomatic, allthough the benzos i did at the end did not really made it better, which i would expect if it had been psychosomatic.
i also think that the fact i was already up almost one day before i ingested it and that i did some amphetamines before might have contributed to it, especially considering that my lifestyle is not the healthiest and at that time did alot of amphetamine at least once a week, including the FR->SU up and running and dancing and going to work chore.
i would be interested if someone else had this combination as well and could comment on that.

would i do it again? yes. but not in the near future, probably not even this year. and also i'd do it sober in the morning after breakfast, looks like the way to go with this substance for me. next dosage would be 2,5mg methinks.

uh, got quite large this post, and is probably the first trip report i wrote for like nine years :)
 
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DOC and xanax, I have an idea that im hoping you can help with?

Ok, well ive always had alot of fun on psychedelics and even the trips that were a little hard at times were still wicked trip at other points in the trip. But last friday I tripped on 2C-T-7 and it was unlike any other trip ever and was really scary. I dont know if I took too much, if my mindset had something to do with it or thats just how 2C-T-7 and if thats the case then I definitely dont like T7, If I had xanax things probably would have gone much better but I was too far gone to walk 50 metres away to get a xanax off my friend. Ill add that im not new to psych's, high dose LSD(thatproduces a much strong but much more comfortable headfuck and visuals) is something I love, Salvia didnt phase me but I still liked it, done mushies, ketamine, DXM, 2C-I which I loved and thought T7 would be more like 2C-I but it was nothing like it at all(except slighly similar body load but that wasnt the problem with T7)

BUT, I want to try DOC sometime in the near future and I dont want any experiences like I did with T7, I want it to go as well as possible. So I was thinking if I have a decent supply of xanax and took it along with the DOC would I still trip albeit much much milder and different or will it basically pointless?

Ill just say that im NOT looking for a special experience that is spiritual or too introspective, im just looking to test the substance and maybe get a few visuals and have a little fun with a very mild to non-existant headfuck.

It'd be good if someone could compare any of the drugs out of 2C-T-7, LSD, DOC and 2C-I. I dont meen compare them all to each other(although if you can that'd be great) but just one drug to the other in terms of intensity, visuals, mindfuck or introsepctive qualities, body load and general enjoyment.

Thanks a bunch to all you guys, im getting so much more interested in psychedelics rather than shooting up hard drugs everyday like I was used to, so thx :)
 
If you are looking for descriptions of the drugs the best way that you can find them is to read a bunch of different trip reports and information on here, Erowid, and elsewhere. But bottom lnie, it is a very individual thing. We really can't decide what drugs YOU should take, nor should we, that is an individual decision to be made in full knowledge of one's own chemistry, psychology, and the drugs one has at hand, etc. Good luck, though, in your quest to find "something better ..."
 
^^Thanks for merging this.

I am definitely going to try this stuff but just need a little guidance before I do it. I just dont want benzo's to completely ruin the trip and make it boring or not even really trip.
 
^ Keep the benzos on you for if the trip goes bad. Take them only when you really can't handle what's happening.

Maybe you should chill a little before your next trip, planning for a bad trip or being preoccupied with worrying about them makes them more likely in my experience.
 
^^Sounds like good advice. I was out surfing this morning having a think about it and while I do know ill definitely be trying it im in no hurry and I am still quite shaken from the T7 trip, I think ill give it a month or so and that just gives me more time to research. It was pretty dumb of me to do the T7 coz I did about 2 days research and the rest was just little bits of info gathered over the years.
 
^ Ah well, we all have those bad experiences that help us become more mature and responsible drug users along the way.

Sometimes I'm unable to resist the urge to trip, even if my mindset isn't the best. :\

It'd be good if someone could compare any of the drugs out of 2C-T-7, LSD, DOC and 2C-I. I dont meen compare them all to each other(although if you can that'd be great) but just one drug to the other in terms of intensity, visuals, mindfuck or introsepctive qualities, body load and general enjoyment.

I've had DOC on tabs a few times recently, it was less intense then acid but still intense... hard to explain, there was less of a mindfuck perhaps? The visuals were different as well, they were more intense then the ones I get from acid, a lot of patterning over my vision which at night made it hard to see. I don't really get introspective trips so can't comment there... the bodyload was quite stimulating, a bit too much sometimes but I felt really nice and overall each of my three trips has been great, a really enjoyable experience that I didn't have to 'work' for to get euphoria out of.
 
the_ketaman said:

Hey could you expand on this a little? Why you had a bad trip on t7? I recently tried it (First proper trip) and enjoyed a lot. Perhaps in the t7 thread, in a trip report or via PM ? (if thats cool).

Cheers.

carry on :p :p
 
Rahcookiemonster said:
Hey could you expand on this a little? Why you had a bad trip on t7? I recently tried it (First proper trip) and enjoyed a lot. Perhaps in the t7 thread, in a trip report or via PM ? (if thats cool).

Cheers.

carry on :p :p

Ill give you a mini trip report via PM so I dont derail the thread.
 
Alternate methods of ingesting liquid solutions

So I have DOC suspended in a liquid solution at 2mg/ml. I'm kinda tired of the time-frame involved in tripping on DOC, so I have been thinking about insufflating/plugging a small amount of liquid. For reference, there is no alcohol in the solution, it is being stored in a cold environment for a short period of time.

Anyone have any experience with either of these methods?
 
Just drink it. You could plug it. A slightly lower dose would be needed, dunno how much less though.

Snorting it would be pretty hard. You could empty it onto a pyrex plate and let the liquid evaporate, and snort what is left, but it will be such a minuscule amount it will be hard to retrieve. You will probably end up losing the dose.
 
I have plugged DOC and it didn't seem to affect the duration or the come-up or the strength at all... it was identical to oral as far as I could tell. I've never insufflated it but then again I love DOC exactly the way it is. I think I will be having some today actually. :)
 
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