Methylone & 5-meo-mipt combo? Opinions???
Thinking of trying a cautious combo of these, since they are both so euphoric, AND sensual.
My trial of 5-meo-mipt with 2ci showed that the moxy does indeed seem to have strong potentiating effects on other chems, as the results were much more intense than such a small dose of each alone would lead one to expect. (Note warnings at Erowid - that 5-meo and 4-meo combos are known to produce severe and unexpected cross-potentiation).
My standard mid-to-strong dose of moxy (9 mg). Wait until the point in time where the moxy usually stops changing and levels off - about 1.25to 1.75 hours in, then add a usually threash-hold or just above dose of the M1, for me 75mg (yes I CAN feel this small an amount on its own) to 125 mg. The idea behind waiting is that M1 usually seems to overpower everything else that might be going on, so best to wait for additive substrate (moxy) to become fully absorbed and effective. If it is too mild or non-detectable, next time try either sooner dosing of the M1 or a larger amount.
What do you folks think of this proposed experiment design?
Due to the following reports, I'm a little cautious, but note that these invove huge, idiotic overdoses of both compunds (what the hell were there people expecting? a walk in the park?).
I was unable to find any trip reports of more reasonable level combos. Anyone seen any or tried it themselves?
ABSTRACT: Combined intoxication with methylone and 5-MeO-MIPT
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...ffaa649a8e77be
There's a link to a page with links to full pdf copy if this paper and some very interesting other papers here:
http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/l...s.php?catid=18
I Redosed While Drunk
4-HO-MiPT, Methylone & Alcohol
by DigitalAngel
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=61162
Also, found the following here... though in these folks did the Methylone first, then some 4-AcO-MiPT Not sure how different that is from 5-Meo-MIPT... effects sound pretty close, but there are some significant differences between 4-Aco things and 5-Meo things.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=279815
So... ANYONE tried a combo of 1st 5-meo-Mipt then later Methylone??? Anyone have any theories about it if not???
MORE INFO/THOUGHTS:
The paper listed above "Combined Intoxication..."... read the full paper...
It was sold as pure methylone and the poor guy did 200mg, perfectly sensible dose.
Unfortunately it was actually 61% methylone and 39% 5meomipt. So he ended up doing like 75mg of 5meomipt (normal range 5-15mg)... a massive overdose all on its own. He became very confused. They gave him a sedative. He came down and said "So sorry... what was I doing last 4 hours?". Yelling and shouting at no one and nothing for no reason is what he was doing. The Methylone may have had nothing to do with it. At least this tells us this mix is not immediately fatal. Guy was 3 or 4 hours in. Report does not mention any severe physical side-effects. Heart rate 150bpm, which is high but not really dangerous.
ANYWAY..... still looking for either
a) someone who has tried such a combo in more normal doses and can report on sequence, timing and effects
OR
b) someone who has tried both chems separately, and wants to discuss it on a theoretical basis.
My reasoning for doing the 5meomipt first and waiting for it to plateau to do the Methylone is:
a) 5meomipt lasts longer than methylone
b) it seems to have the effect of greatly potentiating a wide variety of other substances
c) staging it in this manner will, hopefully:
_1) allow the use of a smaller amount of Methylone, since it might be potentiated, saving money, material, and and also giving your system a smaller amount of a foreign chemical to process (i.e., easier on the liver, etc.)
_2) extend the length of action of Methylone, which always seems to be just a little disapointingly short, since the potentialting base of the 5meomipt will already be set up and active in your system, and it generally lasts 5-7 hours.
