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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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cerebral_cortex > you sure it was methylone you got? i mean, none of my friends has experienced what you say.. none :)

But i have herd people say the same, but they often found out they just didnt take their dose :) everyone has a dose thats fit for them :D
 
I have seen people not enjyoing methylone, though they're few and far between. I loved it as much as you, winta, but I have goneoff it due to some crashes I got over tiem, with repeated use. And because it lends it self to abuse... your statement, "You haven't tried something before you have tried it on methylone!” is the ultimate signifier of addiction, I suppose, and I felt very very much like that ... and this is also one reason why I stopped. Today I kinda think I haven't tried something before I have tried it stone cold sober... but it took a hell of a lot of m1 to get me there... I'll still happily take it from time to time, but I have taken some distance from the material. Too much euphoria causes me to make bad decisions....
 
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cerebral_cortex > you sure it was methylone you got? i mean, none of my friends has experienced what you say.. none :)

But i have herd people say the same, but they often found out they just didnt take their dose :) everyone has a dose thats fit for them :D
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Thing is, most people who have commented in this thread seem to feel that redosing is a waste of material because it's much weaker. We really ARE all affected differently.
 
Ximot>
Made me do some bad decisions too, i can see that when really thinking it over :/

Xorkoth>
Guess your right, its just funny that most of my friends react a lot more like me, and people here seem to react different :) Maybe we talk each other to get the feeling of it working? dunno, just weird i think.

But year, we all are indeed!
 
/\ I find redosing to justaccentuate the fiendly stimulation, so I tend not to - perhaps once but that's it. What happens to me, though, is that I tend to fiend for all sorts of drugs while under influence of the fiendy yet in fear-terms invincible post-methylone dysphoria... I tend to go for al sorts of other drugs and have more than once combined downers with psychedelics as i was coming down off m1. UNWISE! And it seems to happen to me all too often. When coming down off M1, sleep is still so far away, but I feel profoundly dissatisfied... wishing i could get the M high again as before, and knowing it is not possible, just wanting to be entertained and, yeah, get "fucked up!" The next day upon waking I always felt crap and thought to myself: "Why did I do this? Musta been on autopilot!" As if possessed by the M1-Demon... don't like it. Hadn't touched it at all since June... then in later September gave it ONE TRY... same thing happened , again. Haven't touched it since. Could be thatteh alcohol I tend to drink when on m1 hs something to do with it. But on alcohol alone this bingey thing doesn't usually happen, and on proper psychedelics I usually don't drink at all. Weird one, M1. Fiendy demon drug, imho, right from the very first time I tried it. It is so pleasurable, and when it wears off, the only thing that makes any sense is ... yeah, you guessed it, more pleasure.
 
^I am able to control my m1 use pretty well, actually I only did it 3 times in almost one year, I try to make it something special, that's what this compound really is for me. So each time it was a nice set & setting.
I found that if you feel like doing drugs afterwards k is the way to go. It won't wear you off and you'll still be able to drink (I mean small bumps) ;o) Of course bump some before going strong on m1 too, just to get the euphory going =P
 
2 types of Methylone?

i was on a site recently and noticed that they had two different listings for methylone: Racemic Methylone & (S)-Methylone.

I instantly recognized these terms from ketamine... i've had both the racemic and (s)-ketamine, and i thought they were slightly different, with one of them being slightly more potent, and one not quite as much as a headfuck (sorry, i can't remember which batch was which).

So my question is, would there be any differences in these 2 types of methylone (racemic and (s)-methylone) ?? Would one be slightly more potent than the other, or slightly different in effects? I recently tried out a new batch from a different supplier than usual - it was a different color and consistency, and also seemed a bit more potent... of course it could have just been a purity issue.
 
Shulgin discusses the difference in racemic vs R vs S isomer MDMA iirc in PIHKAL-

might want to start there

I've not personally heard about anybody sampling the s isomer from methylone, did not even know it existed!
 
Theyre both the same drug (like ketamine and (S)-ketamine), the (S) refers to the configuration of the chiral centre in the molecule. Basically one isomer is active, the other isomer has much less or a different kind of activity (like l and d-meth). From MDMA in Pihkal:

(with 60 mg of the "S" isomer) The effects began developing in a smooth, friendly way at about a half-hour. My handwriting is OK but I am writing faster than usual. At the one hour point, I am quite certain that I could not drive, time is slowing down a bit, but I am mentally very active. My pupils are considerably dilated. The dropping is evident at two hours, and complete by the third hour. All afternoon I am peaceful and relaxed, but clear and alert, with no trace of physical residue at all. A very successful ++.

(with 100 mg of the "S" isomer) I feel the onset is slower than with the racemate. Physically, I am excited, and my pulse and blood pressure are quite elevated. This does not have the 'fire' of the racemate, nor the rush of the development in getting to the plateau.

(with 120 mg of the "S" isomer) A rapid development, and both writing and typing are impossible before the end of the first hour. Lying down with eyes closed eliminates all effects; the visual process is needed for any awareness of the drug's effects. Some teeth clenching, but no nystagmus. Excellent sleep in the evening.
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So the (S)-isomer of MDMA is almost twice as potent but is generally regarded as lacking something compared to the mixture. I'd think methylone would be very similar but i dont really know. I also don't know which one i'd choose! I think if it was more than double the price i'd get the mixture, unless i wanted the (S)-isomer for novelty value!
 
if it indeed is the s isomer then I would love to give it a try-

I am suspicious of buying RCs off of sites though, they are usually unfortunately at the very least misrepresented (as stock is shuffled around)
 
Quick way of telling - dissolve some of the supposed S-methylone in water, then set up a light source that passes through a polarizing filter (Polaroid sunglasses lens will do). If it's a pure optical isomer, then the light will be rotated by the soln and a second polarizing lens would need to be rotated to a different position from the first to allow the light to pass through the setup. A racaemic mixture will allow light transmission with the two lenses in the same orientation
 
I've has S-MDMA and the racemate. The S-MDMA was not at all as good as the racemate. Certainly less stimulating, but lacked the warmth and "fire" of the real one. It also did not last as long.

I'd love to try S-M1, but I doubt it will be as good. The supposed "inactive" isomer is quite active in some way, as racemic MDMA is far different than the S-isomer. The 'inactive" isomer certainly contributes in some way.

And look at MDA...R-MDA will substitute for LSD, S-MDA will substitute for amphetamine.
 
Sorry to bump an old thread, but to clarify, the average dose is 150-200mg, and snorting it doesn't make it any more potent than eating it?
 
yeah, that's about right for doseage. 170-180mg seems to be the sweet spot for me. also, redosing is pretty much useless, although the urge to take more will probably be strong.
 
Methylone's urge to redose is second only to cocaine for me... and not far behind at all. The only different between the urges of the two is that methylone's come down is not as bad, so if you can't redose, it won't be as bad. But man, I was totally surprised by how strong the urge to redose was for me with methylone. Even though you know it won't do you any good, you do it anyway, repeatedly.

The only time I did not have such an urge was when I took it at a friend's house and had no more available, and spent the peak and plateau talking on the phone with my family having very deep and meaningful conversation. That time the whole experience felt very serene and peaceful and I had no urge to redose at all.
 
Methylone-How Often?

When reading the available reports on MDMA, it seems to be a generally accepted notion that MDMA sessions should, ideally, be spaced out at least a month apart (many suggest more). In the interest of "sustaining the magic" or just for harm reduction purposes, is there any sort of rule of thumb for methylone use? I know it's not considered to be as hard on the body as MDMA, and it seems to be used by many researchers on a more than frequent basis, but I would be interested to hear from those in the know about how often this substance can or should be used.
 
there haven't been any scientific studies on the neurotoxicity afaik (please correct me if i'm wrong). it has a reduced effect on serotonin compared to mdma. for that reason, it's assumed to be gentler. but the idea that it's safer/easier on the body is just anecdotal i think.

if you compare it to an average pressed e tab (cut with meth etc), of course it will feel cleaner. but compare an equivalent dose of m1 (250mg imo to even compare to mdma), and the crash and post side effects will be similar. people who claim no crash are likely dosing low.

the high is different (more smooth and blissed out, less nuanced and exciting imo), but it's not a far cry from mdma, and i would say the same about the crash.

tolerance does build similar to mdma, from what i've heard. apparently it starts to lose its magic if you use it every week. but again that's anecdotal and you'd have to see for yourself.

in terms of safety with frequent use, well since there are no studies it would be best to at least treat it as an equal with mdma and make your decisions from there, i think.
 
Methylone will result in less serotonin depletion than MDMA because it doesn't *release* as much 5-HT as MDMA does (because that ketone group decreases it's affinity for VMAT2 10-fold less AFAIK). It inhibits it's reuptake pretty much just as well as MDMA does thou so it still feels good despite this, just not as shatteringly powerful as MDMA can be, it's like a chilled out MDMA haha.
It will also result in less neurotoxicity because of the above, because there will be less uptake of DA by SERT because there won't be such a deficit of 5-HT, which means less lipid peroxidation (the whole "bleach" in your brain concept).

Anyway the result of all this means you can probably get away with using more Methylone than you can MDMA, but don't justify using heaps of it because of this! The MDxx's are really a poster-child for th less is more concept. They are better as a occasional thing, keep the magic alive! :)
I suggest at least month breaks between uses, preferably 1 and a half, and use antioxidants and 5-HTP before and after.
(hope that made sense, i'm pretty damn high on poppy seed tea, lol :D)
 
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