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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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MDMA and Methylone if used responsibly (a few times a year ) will not cause brain damage. Its when you are popping pills (which often contain things other than MDMA) every weekend that you might cause permanent damage.

Iv never felt anything remotely close to brain damage from either drug. At least nothing a vitamin and some 5htp cant cure.
 
^^ While I pretty much agree with what you're saying, I can say that I have only done MDMA about a dozen and a half times throughout my lifetime, over 6 years. Each time I did it, the aftereffects got worse. I never abused it or took it frequently. In fact, the past 5 or 6 times have been spread over 5 years - most of it was during that first year. The last 3 times I've done it I had pure MDMA crystals. After the very last time I did it, I became extremely, suicidally depressed for over a month following a lackluster experience... it really fucked me up for quite some time. I didn't feel quite right in the head for almost half a year. Needless to say I won't be doing MDMA ever again... the past few times I've done it it provided empty stimulation, no joy whatsoever, and horrible aftereffects.

I realize I may be an anamoly here, but I like to provide my experience regarding MDMA because I think it's far from harmless, even for some people if they use it responsibly. I feel like it did something in my head that changed the way all psychedelics have worked for me since, and that same change made it so that MDMA itself didn't produce anything but an amphetamine-like stimulation.
 
I guess that shows how everyone of us reacts differently to drugs.

Xork, you dont think perhaps you had that occurance with mdma because you were somehow expecting it to happen? A little anti mdma bias maybe?
Or maybe it would have happened without the mdma .

Feelings of depression come and go.
Getting to the root of the depression is the key IMO, rather than blaming some outside entity (in this case mdma).
Im not saying you're wrong, but have you considered that maybe you were a little depressed before taking the mdma. And then that mixed with serotonin depletion caused you to have such an extreme reaction.

BTW, i dont recomend mdma or methyline to those predisposed to depression because from what i have seen it only makes it worse.
 
xorkoth, could it be that your AMT use had something to do with the way mdma affects you - the mdma effects being much weaker/speedier after periods of heavy AMT use?
 
samadhi_smiles said:
lol ismene, well maybe I WAS being a little meoldramatic.

But, I think its NOT a good drug to abuse, I stand by that. I think the possibility for brain damage is certainly there given its close similarity in action to MDMA (do you want the monoamine release reuptake stats just PM for the article, it was done by some japanese fellows, on rat brains, but still).

*MDMA of course is not PROVEN to cause brain damage in humans
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LOL! Nice one.

True samadhi, it's always safer not to abuse anything. But I think the idea of brain damage is a bit overdone - even if you say MDMA can cause damage to certain cells in the brain when you look at them under an electron microscope the question is "Ok, so does that mean you actually notice brain damage in your everyday life?".

Thousands of our brain cells are dying naturally every day simply due to ageing - the brain damage we undergo every week must be enormous - and yet none of us ever notice. I guess if there were pictures splashed all over the press saying "This is what happens to your brain after one week of growing older - look at all the millions of dead cells" you would quickly start getting reports from people noticing the effects.
 
Ismene said:
Methylone doesn't cause depression after-effects, in everyone I've known it gives a positive afterglow with no depression.
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Jamshyd was an idiot and clicked "edit" instead of "quote". Sorry ismene!
 
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^ Yeah, it cannot be metabolized to alphamethyldopamine, like MDMA is (potentially metabolized to alpha-methylnoradrenaline, but that's not a problem), which IMO is the main trigger for the depression afterwards.

It's because of that I'm very wary of MDMA and hardly ever use it these days, but methylone I'm much more inclined to have a go with. Besides the empathy doesn't feel false to me like it can do with MDMA
 
Black said:
xorkoth, could it be that your AMT use had something to do with the way mdma affects you - the mdma effects being much weaker/speedier after periods of heavy AMT use?
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I think xorkoth used MDMA before even tried aMT. I abused MDMA much more than xorkoth and i can relate to his feelings on MDMA, aMT on the other hand even after abuse of MDMA it still was an absolute great high, and it worked better than MDMA in the way it didnt have the same crash.
 
Delsyd said:
Xork, you dont think perhaps you had that occurance with mdma because you were somehow expecting it to happen? A little anti mdma bias maybe?
Or maybe it would have happened without the mdma .

Feelings of depression come and go.
Getting to the root of the depression is the key IMO, rather than blaming some outside entity (in this case mdma).
Im not saying you're wrong, but have you considered that maybe you were a little depressed before taking the mdma. And then that mixed with serotonin depletion caused you to have such an extreme reaction.
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I wasn't anti-MDMA at all until that experience. However, I do concede that I was probably a little depressed already... I always get down around the holidays (due to the short days I think), and this happened right before that. However, this depression was crazy. It was also accompanied by brain zaps for several weeks, really strong ones that would sometimes happen one after the other for many seconds at a time (a long time when you're having brain zaps). A few times during those weeks I actually lost awareness long enough during brain zap episodes to fall over and come to on the floor. It was extremely frightening and I was starting to think they'd never go away. Fortunately they did though.

Black said:
xorkoth, could it be that your AMT use had something to do with the way mdma affects you - the mdma effects being much weaker/speedier after periods of heavy AMT use?
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No, the last time I used MDMA was before I ever used AMT.
 
I do agree Ismene it does not feel subjectively similar to MDMA aftereffects (m1's after effects)

I've recently done some MDMA (last week) and it is definitely more debilitating compared to my recent M1 experiences, took it out of me compared to the gentle M1 post-effects
 
@Xorkoth, Bare dead
thanks for the info. it really seems that people's reactions to mdma are more diverse that with most other substances…
 
yes indeed, i think this could be to do with the fact that everyone has different levels of serotonin to begin with and that is what MDMA works on
 
proper set and setting post MDMA experience is also very critical ime and something not talked about often

especially if you're doing it with somebody else you guys should be open to each other and communicate afterwards or the possibility for bad feelings to manifest is heightened

peace and love,
S)S
 
Can You Shoot Methylone

is it even water soluble, I am getting some and I am going to find out regardless it is a hcl so I am almost positive it is water soluble and it is pure uncut not in a pill or any gay shit so for sure all I have to do I dump like 10mg of my bag in and I will know if it solutes I just want to know what would be a good dose to start at I am guessing I am going to need less because it all going into me instead of just some like if I snorted or orally ingested it. If you have shot methyl one please responds ASAP. you can just respond to my message or pm I am looking for a iv dose range if I don’t get a response I will start low and record my findings that way more people who are interested in shooting it will know.

Peace,

Hofmannsart
 
its water soluble, i wouldnt really see the point in shooting methylone because its so nice orally.. but i suppose if you want to get the most bang for ya budck shooting would work.. be careful. start with 20mg and work way up.
 
Methylone & 5-meo-mipt combo? Opinions???

Thinking of trying a cautious combo of these, since they are both so euphoric. My trial of 5-meo-mipt with 2ci showed that the moxy does indeed seem to have strong potentiating effects on other chems, as the results were much more intense than such a small dose of each alone would lead one to expect. (Note warnings at Erowid - that 5-meo and 4-meo combos are known to produce severe and unexpected cross-potentiation).

My standard mid-to-strong dose of moxy (9 mg). Wait until the point in time where the moxy usually stops changing and levels off - about 1.25to 1.75 hours in, then add a usually threash-hold or just above dose of the M1, for me 75mg (yes I CAN feel this small an amount on its own) to 125 mg. The idea behind waiting is that M1 usually seems to overpower everything else that might be going on, so best to wait for additive substrate (moxy) to become fully absorbed and effective. If it is too mild or non-detectable, next time try either sooner dosing of the M1 or a larger amount.

What do you folks think of this proposed experiment design?

Due to the following reports, I'm a little cautious, but note that these invove huge, idiotic overdoses of both compunds (what the hell were there people expecting? a walk in the park?).

I was unable to find any trip reports of more reasonable level combos. Anyone seen any or tried it themselves?

ABSTRACT: Combined intoxication with methylone and 5-MeO-MIPT

www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...serid=10&md5=6b274facbaf6176a2cffaa649a8e77be

There's a link to a page with links to full pdf copy if this paper and some very interesting other papers here: www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/local_links.php?catid=18


I Redosed While Drunk
4-HO-MiPT, Methylone & Alcohol
by DigitalAngel
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=61162

Also, found the following here... though in these folks did the Methylone first, then some 4-AcO-MiPT Not sure how different that is from 5-Meo-MIPT... effects sound pretty close, but there are some significant differences between 4-Aco things and 5-Meo things.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=279815

So... ANYONE tried a combo of 1st 5-meo-Mipt then later Methylone??? Anyone have any theories about it if not???
 
I believe there was a batch of methylone contaminated with 5-meo-mipt that was sold (in Japan I think?) so its likely others have tried this without knowing.

I'm still hesitant to recommend the combination as there are a lot of unknowns pharmacologically with 5-meo's.

if you do try it, I suggest starting very low with the 5-meo-mipt (and of course being familiar with it on its own first).
 
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