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The Big & Dandy ALD-52 Thread

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Its close but i give lsd the edge potency wise, stronger visuals crazier thoughts......lsd is the Ferrari while ald-52 is a big ass cadillac nice mellow smoothe ride
Dont ask me why im comparing lsd to cars ;-)
 
Got 100 of these ordered today. Better be as good as y'all say or there will be trouble! ;)
 
You think keeping the blotters sort of stacked on top of eachother in storage can cause some doses to absorb from the blotter it's touching, causing disproportionate doses, if that makes sense?
 
I've got about 50 stocked up right now, and I'm beginning to think that won't be enough, soooo... I think it'll be okay Whitefox 8)
 
Pharmokinetics is likely the reason for any perceived differences between LSD, 1P-LSD, and ALD-52. That is to say, even though the latter two molecules seem to be LSD prodrugs (according to D. Nichols, 1P-LSD and ALD-52 are incapable of fitting into the necessary receptors without first being hydrolyzed into LSD), the addition of a propionyl group in the case of 1P-LSD and an acetyl group in the case of ALD-52 affects the molecules' lipid solubility, thus allowing them to cross the blood brain barrier more easily than LSD, changing their accumulation rates in the brain, and causing them to produce slightly different effects -- even though they're ultimately metabolized into LSD before hitting the necessary receptors.

Heroin (aka diacetylmorphine) is perhaps the most easily recognizable example of the effect an acetyl group-induced change in pharmokinetics can induce: Despite the morphine prodrug heroin quickly metabolizing into morphine once it enters the human body, the increased lipid solubility bestowed upon it by the addition of acetyl groups allows it to cross the blood brain barrier with greater efficiency and accumulate in the brain more quickly than morphine does, thus producing a significantly different effect even though diacetylmorphine ultimately becomes morphine before hitting the necessary receptors. [Codeine (aka 3-methylmorphine) is another example of prodrug pharmokinetics, yet in codeine's case, its molecular baggage decreases potency rather than increases it.]

Attaching propionyl and acetyl groups to molecules to facilitate better and deeper penetration into the brain via increased lipid solubility before they're hydrolyzed into their pharmacologically-active metabolites is not unique to psychoactive drugs, and a quick Google search for the terms "acetyl propionyl prodrug" will yield many examples of such groups being used to change drugs' pharmokinetics. [Check out "Hydrolysis in Drug and Prodrug Metabolism" by Bernard Testa and Joachim M. Mayer (2003) for many great explanations and examples of such.]
 
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Nichols mentions that the prodrug action of 1p is different than the prodrug action of say heroin. Heroin being unique because the acetyl allows it to cross the blood brain barrier much more rapidly, but with 1p, the metabolism actually acts as a extended release effect, according to Nichols. Because if the acetyl or propryl helped it cross the blood brain barrier more readily, wouldn't it be more potent/ faster come up?
 
Nichols mentions that the prodrug action of 1p is different than the prodrug action of say heroin. Heroin being unique because the acetyl allows it to cross the blood brain barrier much more rapidly, but with 1p, the metabolism actually acts as a extended release effect, according to Nichols. Because if the acetyl or propryl helped it cross the blood brain barrier more readily, wouldn't it be more potent/ faster come up?
Unless you are laying the regular LSD blotters yourself , how could you know how much LSD is on each hit?
This argument keeps coming up in all the lysergamide big and dandy's and I keep making the point that basically everyone is comparing a known amount of 1p or ALD 52 and an unknown ammount of LSD so there is no real scientific comparison happening here.
Who here can actually say for certainty that 100ug of ALD 52 or 1P is less potent than 100ug of LSD???
Pretty much nobody because your just comparing known ammount on blotters vs unknown amounts on blotters :/
Maybe ALD52 and 1p are equally potent, more potent or less potent???
Until controlled human trials are performed who knows???
It's all just speculation.
 
DN vendor sourced l25 blotter can be confirmed doses. I'm not going to mention specific source but you can guarantee blotters are doses accurately at 99> potency. It's been consistently noted by many people that 1p comparable dose of L has lighter visuals and longer come up. But I agree, we need more scientific research
 
DN vendor sourced l25 blotter can be confirmed doses. I'm not going to mention specific source but you can guarantee blotters are doses accurately at 99> potency. It's been consistently noted by many people that 1p comparable dose of L has lighter visuals and longer come up. But I agree, we need more scientific research
How exactly are the dosages confirmed?
 
Lab testing. Same way rc blotters are measured. Not all vendors of course are selling doses as advertised, but reputables are going to make sure to keep their rep up. #GG
 
How exactly are the dosages confirmed?
My Sacred Geometry tabs layed with 150ug Swiss Bliss 98.5% pure acid were tested by Energy Control at 148ug of 98.7 % pure acid. Pretty fucking close to advertised strength and slightly higher purity. Do you research on the vendors. The best acid you can imagine is available out there atm
 
My Sacred Geometry tabs layed with 150ug Swiss Bliss 98.5% pure acid were tested by Energy Control at 148ug of 98.7 % pure acid. Pretty fucking close to advertised strength and slightly higher purity. Do you research on the vendors. The best acid you can imagine is available out there atm
Since when has energy control ever checked for dosage???
They check for purity as far as I'm aware they do not tell you how much is on the blotter you send in.
I am sure that there are reputable dealers on the dark net but how is dosage ever verifiable???
Even from non dark net vendors there is no way to no for sure. The only difference is that dark net dealers have less reason to be honest due to the fact that they are on the dark net.
Dark Net customer ratings aside, if a dealer has reasonably "strong" acid at 80ug, what incentive is there to lay them at 100ug??? Especially since no one would ever know and pow 20% extra profit.
Like I said, I'm sure there are honest dark net vendors out there but there's are basically just acid dealers with an internet connection and I've known too many acid dealers in my day to not question the ethics involved.
 
Gc/ms testing man. A lot of people do it and post results online for vendor reviews. Vendors know this and make it a point to make sure they're accurate to avoid bad rep. Also, if they were laying weaker tabs, then that would just mean ald-52 and 1p are even weaker, even accurately dosed at 100ug, because most people report Them being slightly weaker dose per dose to lsd25
 
Most the heads in here are pretty well informed & experienced users, and some of us lay our own sheets/vials because we like to know exact dosages. As for the 1P/ALD/LSD difference Lysergamind is on the right track with at least in ALD's case it's active in its own right(bbb) before hydrolisis to LSD in the brain, I am not sure for 1P as it has proven to have other enyzymatic metabolism issues in some people. The differences are not entirely subjective, proven through studies/testings as well and what we have seen recently alone.
 
Received a sheet of ALD-52 pretty excited after reading some reports on the compound, will give it a run in some days and report back.
 
Had an amazing night last night, 25mg 4 aco Dmt followed by 125ug ald-52 2 hours in. Really made for a smooth trip.
 
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