Lysergamides The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 3

[Img_9999]

I dont get the purpose behind this print. I would never lay somthing as remarkable, and loving as lsd or ANY lysergamine, on a print that has the sum of all evil on it the mighty dollar bill.

LOL I also find it ugly as shit.

Anyone know a good dose for a first-timer on this? I overshoot a bit with them, there is always 1 person is tripping HARD, but I also don't want it to be boring for them

I don't know, I also find the dosage tricky with this one. At 300 ug I start tripping too hard, extreme ego dissolution, confusing headspace, fractals and colors overtake my visual field... I mean is awesome, but my last trip with it was at 225 ug and I think I ended up enjoying it more, I felt more in control and present in my trip while still having worthwhile effects, whereas in my 300 ug experiments I just felt run over by the experience, with no chance to interact with it.

Anyway, I'm conscious that my response is rather atypical. Most people on the web are saying that at 300 ug this one just starts feeling psychedelic at all. But my point is that dosage with this one seem to have extreme individual variability, or at least there's a couple of people out there that seem to be specially sensitive to it (Like me!), while others are very hard-headed toward lysergamides in general. I haven't noticed being specially sensitive to any other substance, and I try to keep my tolerance low, but I still trip more or less once a month though.


So in the end, the old mantra of "Titrate your doses up slowly" seems to be, like always, the way to go if you want to find the sweetspot. But as a sidenote, I think if you overshoot it with this one, it's not too bad. I haven't had a negative experience with it. Even when the headspace gets confusing at higher doses, it's not anxiogenic at all. Certainly the most forgiving lysergamide out there.

 

[Bigazznugz]

I agree 300 could be too much but it deff seems 150ugs is really underwhelming to the point you dont even get to expierence the true nature of this lysergamine. Seems like 300ugs is most peoples starting point.
But isnt "Titrating your doses up slowly" a big no no for lysergamines? I mean if you start 1 week at 150 then wait a few weeks and try 300 i understand that rhetoric and its the best way imho to find your "sweet spot". But really with lsd you gotta dose it within a hour of first ingesting it. Otherwise it doesnt really boost your trip at all due to how fast a tolerance is developed. If you take 150 wait for it to kick in then take more you are really just prolonging it right, not increasing its effects?
But you are dead on about it being forgiving you can guide yourself and your psyche pretty easy on this one and then its over in 8 hours.
Too expensive for me to justify buying anymore. Considering i need 3 tabs at least to get where I WANT TO BE. One day someone will make 200 ug blots for the same price as 150s cuz there is a shit load of al lad left still.
HAPPY TRAILS!,
Nugz

 

[Xorkoth]

My good friend trips hard off 150ug, generally he takes a half tab (75ug) with AL-LAD. Then again he also takes like 8-10mg for 4-sub-tryptamines, 15mg for 2C-B, etc. He's just really sensitive to everything. That would be nice. :D

 

[MSK]

I agree 300 could be too much but it deff seems 150ugs is really underwhelming to the point you dont even get to expierence the true nature of this lysergamine. Seems like 300ugs is most peoples starting point.
But isnt "Titrating your doses up slowly" a big no no for lysergamines? I mean if you start 1 week at 150 then wait a few weeks and try 300 i understand that rhetoric and its the best way imho to find your "sweet spot". But really with lsd you gotta dose it within a hour of first ingesting it. Otherwise it doesnt really boost your trip at all due to how fast a tolerance is developed. If you take 150 wait for it to kick in then take more you are really just prolonging it right, not increasing its effects?
But you are dead on about it being forgiving you can guide yourself and your psyche pretty easy on this one and then its over in 8 hours.
Too expensive for me to justify buying anymore. Considering i need 3 tabs at least to get where I WANT TO BE. One day someone will make 200 ug blots for the same price as 150s cuz there is a shit load of al lad left still.
HAPPY TRAILS!,
Nugz

Price is the one thing that keeps me from ordering those in bulk. For the price of 100 blotters of whatever legal lysergamide I can buy double the ammount of decent LSD, and beeing the effects of those new lysergamides really virtually identical to LSD, I don't see why stock those over the classic, apart than for crossing some weid substances from our psychonaut to-do lists...

 

[Img_9999]

I agree 300 could be too much but it deff seems 150ugs is really underwhelming to the point you dont even get to expierence the true nature of this lysergamine. Seems like 300ugs is most peoples starting point.
But isnt "Titrating your doses up slowly" a big no no for lysergamines? I mean if you start 1 week at 150 then wait a few weeks and try 300 i understand that rhetoric and its the best way imho to find your "sweet spot". But really with lsd you gotta dose it within a hour of first ingesting it. Otherwise it doesnt really boost your trip at all due to how fast a tolerance is developed. If you take 150 wait for it to kick in then take more you are really just prolonging it right, not increasing its effects?
But you are dead on about it being forgiving you can guide yourself and your psyche pretty easy on this one and then its over in 8 hours.
Too expensive for me to justify buying anymore. Considering i need 3 tabs at least to get where I WANT TO BE. One day someone will make 200 ug blots for the same price as 150s cuz there is a shit load of al lad left still.
HAPPY TRAILS!,
Nugz

Agree, for me 150 ug is pretty underwhelming and the 300 ug borders on being too much. Still enjoyable though, but I don't really see the point to push it further that point.

And yeah, by titrating up I meant several different instances. Dosing a couple of hours latter it's a waste, for the reasons you already said.

 

[MocCozmiK]

Are these them? They are a popular print.

Yes that was it. I only had the 6 little tabs left. And yeah pic quality wasn't great.
I suppose it did look a little like moldy sh¡t. Ha!

 

[malmet]

Tried 225ug today, two of the standard, gray-white name and chemical structure blotters. About 1 hour in, I felt a steady peripheral stimulation kick in, but nothing developed beyond that. No visuals, no thought changes, absolutely nothing aside from some vague body tension.

The tabs arrived 4 months ago, and I've been keeping them in their original plastic baggie, away from light but with otherwise no special protection. AC runs fine here; although it certainly got hot outside, temperatures in my room never got much above 23C or so, and humidity was reasonably low as well.

I can't imagine they would degrade that quickly, but I have no one else I could offer these to, so who knows. I haven't tripped in 4 months; took a 25mg 4-HO-MET dose in late April and had a wonderful experience, but since then, I've been too busy to set aside time to trip until now.

Still feeling fairly wired, but other than that, well, nothing. Disappointed.

Edit: Made the original post about 2 hours after dosing. At the 3hr mark, I finally noticed a transition; the tension relaxed a bit and gave way to a mild, lightly pleasant body high, with some faint shimmering and waving of patterned surfaces, and slightly more saturated colors. But it really wasn't much at all, comparable to what I saw on 10mg or so 4-HO-MET. At about 5 hours I get a sudden surge in anxiety and looping thoughts, and nearly have a panic attack; thankfully I was able to calm myself down over the next hour. Ended up taking 2mg etizolam at 6 hours to kill the anxiety and lingering body tension.

The whole experience was just weird compared to the glowing reports I've seen elsewhere. Maybe lysergamides just aren't for me.

 

[Sunbaked82]

I tried 150ug for the first time and for me personally there were zero visuals and overall it was very underwhelming but im still very interested. It was obviously active, but very strange. I nodded off a couple times. Not very stimulated at all but from the bodyload and visuals I feel like I should double it next time and that should be perfect. Probably going to try again in a week or two.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah many people, myself included, find 150ug to be threshold. It's less potent than the other lysergamides. I like 300ug, but it's also underwhelming. I find it gets interesting at 450ug but still primarily recreational. Quite euphoric and visual though, with tons of laughter and fun, even though I've never had anything resembling a profound experience from it. I think of AL-LAD as the 2C-B of lysergamides. Not very potent or profound, but quite euphoric and visual when you take enough.

 

[Ophidian]

I haven't had AL-LAD since it first came out in 2013 and I have a small lot stashed away for the future. The grey/white blotter style with name and molecule.

I remember eating 2 tabs, 300ug on an empty stomach with no tolerance and it felt so overwhelming. Within 20 minutes I started having visuals and 1 hour later I was unable to see across my living room.
Everything exploded in neon colors and complex visuals I've never seen before. My whole house turned into another world and it was very hard to navigate around. When I closed my eyes I had visuals synergize with the music and It felt so blissfully euphoric.

At some point I lost track of time and reality and was "away" for like 1 hour.
The whole experience was over in a short period of time and come down felt easy and I was able to sleep 13-14 hours after ingestion with no help.

For me it sounds like you guys are getting bunk, underdosed AL-LAD or maybe have a very high tolerance.

I am very keen to dig into my old stash just to try and see if I get the same result as in 2013.

My blotters aren't stored in the best conditions. Not air sealed and in a warm, damp basement. I Hope they haven't degraded too much.

 

[kidklmx]

Mine came from the same presumed source (though I have crystals, not blotter), and I mirror Xorxoth's dose-range down to the ng. I guess this one does vary a lot person-to-person, because I just can't seem to get the dose right. Tried 240ug for the newcomers and some were having a great experience, while others didn't feel much.

 

[psykedenlitenment]

I've got 1.5 tabs of the original go around left. I always found 1 to be satisfying. My wife got us tickets to see dark side of the moon performed live in October, so I know exactly how I'm going to use them.


Unless it doesn't play well with food. Thoughts?

 

[Xorkoth]

I haven't had AL-LAD since it first came out in 2013 and I have a small lot stashed away for the future. The grey/white blotter style with name and molecule.

I remember eating 2 tabs, 300ug on an empty stomach with no tolerance and it felt so overwhelming. Within 20 minutes I started having visuals and 1 hour later I was unable to see across my living room.
Everything exploded in neon colors and complex visuals I've never seen before. My whole house turned into another world and it was very hard to navigate around. When I closed my eyes I had visuals synergize with the music and It felt so blissfully euphoric.

At some point I lost track of time and reality and was "away" for like 1 hour.
The whole experience was over in a short period of time and come down felt easy and I was able to sleep 13-14 hours after ingestion with no help.

For me it sounds like you guys are getting bunk, underdosed AL-LAD or maybe have a very high tolerance.

I am very keen to dig into my old stash just to try and see if I get the same result as in 2013.

My blotters aren't stored in the best conditions. Not air sealed and in a warm, damp basement. I Hope they haven't degraded too much.

I have the same blotters. The original 150ug ones with the molecule on them. People often jump right to bunk/underdosed when others' experiences don't match their own, but the real answer is that everyone is affected differently. Many people find AL-LAD to be much less potent than LSD, in fact so did Shulgin. But some, like you, find it to be quite potent and strong. It's just like how some people require 50+mg of 2C-T-7 to properly trip, while others have powerful trips at 20mg. Differences in metabolism, enzymes, etc can account for a wide variance in effects.

 

[Boognish]

Back when I only tripped 1-2 times per year, 150ug was great but I've never had it last longer than 6 maybe 7 hours. It has an abrupt drop off too, one second your tripping then your suddenly your down. I don't know what dude above is talking about 13-14 hours, shit!

 

[Ophidian]

Back when I only tripped 1-2 times per year, 150ug was great but I've never had it last longer than 6 maybe 7 hours. It has an abrupt drop off too, one second your tripping then your suddenly your down. I don't know what dude above is talking about 13-14 hours, shit!

Read it again, I didn't say that I was tripping for 13-14 hours I said that the experience was over in a short period of time and I was able to sleep 13-14 hours after ingestion.

 

[Ophidian]

I have the same blotters. The original 150ug ones with the molecule on them. People often jump right to bunk/underdosed when others' experiences don't match their own, but the real answer is that everyone is affected differently. Many people find AL-LAD to be much less potent than LSD, in fact so did Shulgin. But some, like you, find it to be quite potent and strong. It's just like how some people require 50+mg of 2C-T-7 to properly trip, while others have powerful trips at 20mg. Differences in metabolism, enzymes, etc can account for a wide variance in effects.

I think I should consider myself as lucky then.

 

[Xorkoth]

Indeed

 

[weirdling]

I haven't had AL-LAD since it first came out in 2013 and I have a small lot stashed away for the future. The grey/white blotter style with name and molecule.

I remember eating 2 tabs, 300ug on an empty stomach with no tolerance and it felt so overwhelming. Within 20 minutes I started having visuals and 1 hour later I was unable to see across my living room.
Everything exploded in neon colors and complex visuals I've never seen before. My whole house turned into another world and it was very hard to navigate around. When I closed my eyes I had visuals synergize with the music and It felt so blissfully euphoric.

At some point I lost track of time and reality and was "away" for like 1 hour.
The whole experience was over in a short period of time and come down felt easy and I was able to sleep 13-14 hours after ingestion with no help.

For me it sounds like you guys are getting bunk, underdosed AL-LAD or maybe have a very high tolerance.

I am very keen to dig into my old stash just to try and see if I get the same result as in 2013.

My blotters aren't stored in the best conditions. Not air sealed and in a warm, damp basement. I Hope they haven't degraded too much.

There's something about that first batch...I don't know what it is, but that batch is blessed with energy that I did not detect in subsequent iterations.

Yay for magical thinking :D

 

[weirdling]

I have the same blotters. The original 150ug ones with the molecule on them. People often jump right to bunk/underdosed when others' experiences don't match their own, but the real answer is that everyone is affected differently. Many people find AL-LAD to be much less potent than LSD, in fact so did Shulgin. But some, like you, find it to be quite potent and strong. It's just like how some people require 50+mg of 2C-T-7 to properly trip, while others have powerful trips at 20mg. Differences in metabolism, enzymes, etc can account for a wide variance in effects.

There were a couple of batches of the 150ug name/molecule blotters, though. Unless you have been following/ordering AL-LAD since the moment it first became available, it's going to be difficult to determine which batch do your blotters come from.

 

[Ziiirp]

Are the same pre-conditions required before consuming this substance as with LSD, i.e. :

- not being hungover
- set and setting have to be suitable
- having a lot of time

? Or is this substance on the same harmlessness-class as 2c-c,4-Ho-MET ?