The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2
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transitionsynth
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I'll believe it when I see it ... which won't be for another 2 or 3 months at least, due to my personal psychedelic timetable.
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A kid I met at a Phish show said he has been selling unprinted tabs that are wildly inconsistent in terms of dose, he suspects from 90-170. I don't know who this helps but if you're getting hits like that be prepared for uneven AL-LAD
I pulled out a new batch from last year at Christmas after a long break, confidently chewed & swallowd 150ug as usual & was absolutely knocked sideways by the strength. If I had to guess now, I'd say that at the time the dose felt twice, maybe three times as strong as usual. Later I revisited the same pack, tore a tab from the same point & necked it expecting to be floored. But I got the usual mildly pleasant, perfectly controllable 150ug experience. I personally do not believe that tabs of such proximity on the page could have such wildly varying effects, so I'm putting it down the simple fact that no two trips are ever the same or the same intensity & if I'm in any way unprepared for a strong trip in future, I'll dose my Al incrementally until I'm sure I know where I'm going. This, after all, is my method with all other psyches, I just got confident with Al-Lad because all last years trips had come from different batches & the trips were still very consistent, until Christmas one...
But arn't pretty much everyones blotters the printed ones tho suck?
I've noticed a variation in effects but I don't think it's them being unevenly laid - simply down to set and setting.
Nah Is, folks have been bulk buying crystal, laying their own blotts over the last year or so & plain or printed blotters other than those sold legitimately have begun to appear.
dan k
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its in liquid too.
i know what you are saying but the method of laying the blotter may be different and ableto cause the variation. imagine dropping liquid on the squares, or letting it settle/dry unevenly (upright). i don't know...
there is just too much of a difference in potency than what i expected. ive tripped before, had varying degrees of tripping from the same dose of chemicals.. but this is the first one one a whole new level.
what can i say but i hope this is a exquisitely rare occurence and those that do try al-lad do so knowing what to do when things go tits up.
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My friend and I had a blotter each at the weekend and barely got anything so I'm wondering if there may be something to this whole "unevenly laid" theory. Neither of us had taken any psychedelics for at least two weeks, though we did have a bit of MDMA the night before so perhaps that had something to do with it.
perpetualdawn
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I disagree, I've had LSD the day after MDMA a handful of times and it worked just fine. I tend to dose a bit low in general, so maybe I don't get as much tolerance or serotonin depletion because of that.
StreetHalo91
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Are they really that cross-tolerant? Not questioning you, just surprised cos I genuinely didn't know that... Is it the same taking them the other way round eg dropping acid a few days before MDMA noticeably decreasing the effects of the MD when taken?
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Well MDMA is still a triple releaser with effects on 5-ht2a so there is definately some cross tolerance but in my experience not by much. MDA and the APB's seem worse in this aspect. I've personally take LSD after an MDMA roll in a spur of the moment thing and still tripped decently, though there was definately some degree of tolerance. I would assume those who tend to over-indulge in MDMA experience a more significant cross-tolerance whereas the fact that I usually don't eat too much of any monoamine releaser I don't.
Unfortunately yes. From experience I've taken pretty big doses of acid the day after MDMA and barely felt a thing.
Is that taking the acid the day after the MDMA captain?
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^ No, I took the acid a few hours after baselining on the MDMA. I would assume tolerance was in full effect, the MDMA dose was rather small, 135mgs of tested MDMA and the dose of L was 2 average tabs. There was some degree of tolerance but nothing extreme, the trip was satisfying nonetheless. Maybe I just got lucky, there have been rare occurrences where I've rolled harder at day 2 of an event than day 1 on near the same doses so maybe I'm just a weirdo when it comes to tolerance. I don't take LSD in the same time frame as MDMA very often so it's hard to say whether or not this is a typical reaction. I will say though that MDMA doesn't cause too much cross tolerance with other psychs for me either, some but nothing extreme but ymmv of course.
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Took 1 tab 150ug hoping for my first full blown trip tonight (not sure if degraded as they've been stored away from sunlight in an airtight baggie for a month) Was alright but i'm a bit dissapointed. Placed under the tongue for 15 minutes then swallowed, felt the effects 20 minutes later and built up after an hour.
I felt pretty stoned and was laughing alot which was fun but also had a slight body load with stomach discomfort, shakes, high body temperature and waves of some nausia (nowhere near as bad as LSZ though). The whole thing felt wavy as FUCK, aswell as my balance like I was on a boat swaying side to side at points. I saw trails from people running on TV and heavy trails from hands the whole trip. For a few seconds things turned purple and light green like i'd just put tinted sunglasses on which was cool as fuck but it didn't happen again.
Walls and carpets were breathing heavily throughout which was fun at first but actually got pretty overwealming after a while. I do feel like it was getting to a point where if I had taken a bit more the visuals would have exploded out. When I looked at the clouds for a few minutes I started to see buddah-like shapes
interlocking and spinning which was probably the best bit of the trip, but it wasn't massively vivid im pretty sure my imagination played a big part. The most dissapointing thing was I felt absolutely nothing in terms of spirtuality or mindset change, I felt like I had my normal mindset. No euphoria like i've heard, no child-like wonder, no deep
thoughts, music didn't sound that much better, pretty much just normality with some visuals, laughter and slight discomfort. Pretty much worn off at 6 hours, not too sure if I would try again.
I felt pretty stoned and was laughing alot which was fun but also had a slight body load with stomach discomfort, shakes, high body temperature and waves of some nausia (nowhere near as bad as LSZ though). The whole thing felt wavy as FUCK, aswell as my balance like I was on a boat swaying side to side at points. I saw trails from people running on TV and heavy trails from hands the whole trip. For a few seconds things turned purple and light green like i'd just put tinted sunglasses on which was cool as fuck but it didn't happen again.
Walls and carpets were breathing heavily throughout which was fun at first but actually got pretty overwealming after a while. I do feel like it was getting to a point where if I had taken a bit more the visuals would have exploded out. When I looked at the clouds for a few minutes I started to see buddah-like shapes
interlocking and spinning which was probably the best bit of the trip, but it wasn't massively vivid im pretty sure my imagination played a big part. The most dissapointing thing was I felt absolutely nothing in terms of spirtuality or mindset change, I felt like I had my normal mindset. No euphoria like i've heard, no child-like wonder, no deep
thoughts, music didn't sound that much better, pretty much just normality with some visuals, laughter and slight discomfort. Pretty much worn off at 6 hours, not too sure if I would try again.
Bagseed
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^well you can't expect a psychedelic drugs to be inherently spiritual. your set and setting probably wasn't right for a meaningful experience.
Of course not, but you can expect some mindset change when you take a mind altering substance. Instead I just felt pretty normal with the giggles. My mindset was fine going into it to experience some positive change and answer some questions and my setting was fine with a nice section of nature.
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the term "mindset" is used in two different ways in this paragraph.
one pertains to your mental contents as you set your self up to trip:
this is poorly understood, the mental contents at any moment are a veneer over mental content potential that may be triggered because:
a) you recently were hosting the particular mental forms (ideas, conversations, music, art, social interaction, politics, work, food)
b) you usually hover near those mental forms (compulsive attractions and repulsions) psychological orientation or profile.
environment is part of it but is usually called setting, not set, but it is part of your mental contents at the moment.
What you expect to be affected by the psychedelic drug is not mind set or "contents and environment + orientation", but mental resonance which ranges from slightly expanded mental object persistence (haloes) through slightly layered persistence (trails - humorous perceptions of juxtapositions that are noticed with some persistence) to heavily layered persistence of mental objects (disrupting the sense of time passing).
Naturally changes in mental contents due to the changed mental state (i.e. more layered state, a brain state with longer cognitive fading - signal pluse train extension) can be radical.
however,
the radical content shifting to more dream like forms (in the psychedelic mind state) remains subject to your mind set or "recent and long term mental content and preferences".
in short,
we can say that al-lad and lsd seem weaker as psychedelics than lsd, unless you take more tabs.
ergo, I must get more
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