Gratuitous Grace
Bluelighter
I should start by saying that I don't spend very much time on these forums. (You'll notice that this is my first post on this one.) But, I figured I'd register and share my experience with LSZ and AL-LAD in combination since there doesn't seem to be very much information out there.
Like orphu, I was disappointed in these two together. I was hoping for the ideal combination of introspection (via LSZ) and euphoria (via AL-LAD), but I got neither. Instead, my impression was that they were working at cross purposes ... with LSZ trying to get me to a "thinking" place and AL-LAD trying to get me to a "feeling" place. If only it had worked! But, no ... in the end, the two together got me to no place. Or at least no place very special. In fact, I recall feeling very distinctly at one point (hours in) that the LSZ experience was giving up or letting go and turning me over to the AL-LAD experience -- and I was very appreciative. They were fighting each other. And all this is to say that the wine analogy makes perfect sense to me. No harmony. No synergy. Just like orphu explained it. BTW I tried the combination only once -- 300 mcg of LSZ followed by 150 mcg of AL-LAD a couple of hours later. (You're welcome to do your own speculation as to dosage, timing, and cross-tolerance issues.)
Now, since I'm here, I might as well contribute something unique to the thread. And since this isn't the LSZ thread, I guess I'll relate what AL-LAD does for me. Emphasis on "me" since my experience strikes me as a little different than what I've read in the last few hundred(!) posts.
* It's not nauseating in the least.
* It can cause severe chills -- although not always. (When it does, warm clothes and blankets don't seem to help. They just cause cold sweats. The chill is "inside" if that makes sense? I've learned just to deal with the shivers, and I'm almost to the point where I enjoy them. You can get used to almost anything ... LOL!)
* There's definitely a certain anxiety associated with the come-up, but it's not at all unpleasant -- very much in the nature of first-date jitters. A "butterflies in the stomach" sort of feeling, which can actually be delicious in anticipation of what's to come.
* And what's to come is the most intensely pleasurable experience I know. Imagine the feeling of getting everything you've ever wanted in your whole life, all at once, and having that feeling keep washing over you in great waves -- over and over and over again for hours. I don't mean to be crude, but it's a 4- or 5-hour mental orgasm. Pure euphoria. The thought has occurred to me MANY times on AL-LAD that I would, without a second's thought, choose to spend the rest of my life chained up in a cell if someone could guarantee me a permanent AL-LAD peak feeling. And yes, it does scare me to say that. See my point below about the day and days following. (P.S. All that stuff that doctors like Sidney Cohen wrote in the '60s about how no one could possibly want to stay in a permanent psychedelic state because the "knower" knows that it isn't reality ... well, let's just say that doesn't apply here!)
* I can't imagine this ever going south on me. It's just too "nice." Benevolent to an extreme. (But, who knows?)
* AL-LAD is not necessarily terribly introspective. In fact, it can easily turn into a non-stop giggle fest if you want it to. (I've strained abdominal muscles laughing so hard for so long. Sometimes the giggling gets out of control, and there's actually the unpleasant feeling of not being able to stop it. There's a real sense of being in pleasure overload.) It *can* be extremely introspective, though, if you're equipped to connect up the feelings of intense pleasure with the concept of absolute bliss (or at least one component of that state) that gets a lot of play in Eastern thought. Now, I haven't spent infinite lifetimes sitting on a cliff in the Himalayas sorting it all out -- I don't think! But, I wonder if AL-LAD has offered me the tiniest glimpse of the pleasure component of what I'm calling absolute bliss? As I said, the "knower" seems to disappear, levels of awareness are no longer differentiable ... ecstasy is all that exists. You don't so much experience it as become it or be it. That said, what's missing -- and hugely so, and hence my interest in combining AL-LAD with LSZ -- is any sense of all-pervasive knowing. There's none of that.
* Sometimes the come-down is a little rocky. Klonopin helps; Xanax would probably help more. Sleep is usually not a problem within a reasonable amount of time.
* The following day (and even days) can be very depressing. That feeling of "ugh, who wants to be here ... why can't I just spend my life back there?"
Overall, I don't feel any compulsion to compare and contrast with LSD (which I'm not convinced I've even had for *years* -- lots of imposters out there). All of these chemicals do their own thing, in different doses, at different times, in different settings, to different people. What's that old phrase ... "there's more difference between Aldous Huxley and me than between mescaline and LSD" ... or something like that?
Anyway, like I said, this is my experience. Of course YMMV. It should, I think.
