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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 5)

3pm - 200mg reagent tested as purple (i.e. something like MDMA), oral ROA gelcap.
3.34pm - vomit, but happy.
4pm to 12am - feel good, expansive & open. Good energy, enjoy moving to music and sensuality with or talking with girlfriend.
12am - surprised to see "trippy" patterns on the blank floors/walls.
2am - tiring down, but still energised.
3am - zopiclone to end it
3.30am - half zopiclone.
4am - alseep
7am - up for work. Moving so slow. No food, only water, since 10am previous morning.
8am - aching, fuzzy, tired. Work slowly through the day, trying to eat. Get off early at noon, as is usual, thank god.
12pm onwards - lay in bed occasionally getting up to eat or back down to doze or read.

Was worth it, very similar to the 5-APB - but got to try to eat during these long trips - the higher doses increase duration to about 12 hrs.
 
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My tolerance has stayed for quite awhile, with 150 mg being slightly underwhelming after about 4 months break. I've done it around 10 times now in the past 2 years, with no mdxx tolerance at all before as 6-apb was the first time i rolled, and i only did it every 4-12 weeks tops during that span. My last session was 200 mg dose to start, followed by 50-100 mg every 3 or 4 hours up until the 18 hour mark when i finally stopped. I ended up doing about 550 mg total, and honestly i can tell that this chem can be a little toxic if you're not careful, but i havent had any comedowns yet besides a little drowsiness and cramps the next day but not bad. Overall a lovely chem but i really dont want to do this more than a couple times a year tops from here on out i think the more people push it the riskier it gets...
 
Well folks, I reupped on Friday. Saturday afternoon I ingested 200mg. It was a little edgier an came with a lot more side effects than the 150 - 175 mg I had been taking. But with the help of some powerful marijuana I was asleep about ten hours later.

Today, the day afterward, I took 150mg, and it has been one of the most euphoric instances yet. I almost thought I was going to black out at one point, when those rushes were seizing me.

Great feeling, though. Now I'm just chilling reading bluelight articles and watching Scooby Doo cartoons.
 
To be clear - ingested in your gut?
You had no nausea? vomiting? hangover?
 
Correct, Morkin. Saturday, I swallowed for 50 mg capsules. I must be getting used to the upset stomach, because even though I did retch, nothing came up. I find that regularly sipping from a glass of water keeps any nausea at bay.

No hangover, but yesterday, after work, I had some trouble keeping my eyes open.Slept like a baby.

I've been supplementing with a ton of vitamins, minerals, and fatty acids. I'll post the data tonight, in a few hours.
 
would taking a small amount of 6-APB for example 40mg 6-APB in combination with 5-APB 100mg be of any use? Would the 40mg 6apb extend the duration of the experience or is 40mg 6apb way too low even though it would be combined with 100mg 5apb?

What is 5-APB's duration of effect. Not the whole experience where your left wide awake stimulated, the actual high
 
Ah sorry I was sure you mean not-euphoric.

I have different experience and so do a few of my friends. When I took 50 mg (from a not so strong batch where the really euphoric dose was in region of 150-200mg) I felt nice, a drug-naive person would have no reason to think I was on a drug because I acted very normally, just had much better mood, slightly more energetic and no nausea during comeup. Except the fact that even such low dose did enlarge my pupils, guess most people know why is that.
thanks for the reply man. my interest has certainly been renewed

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I disagree about lower doses being dysphoric. There were times I wanted to just slowly climb up and started dosing around 30 mgs intranaselly and found I gradually made my way up. The low doses were like a very light roll. Loving the music. It was pretty nice.

cool. i was wondering, how long did you leave between redoses? I was expecting acute tolerance to this drug ala mdma or psychedelics.

I have a week break coming up (last real break for a while). Hoping to finally try this stuff out.
 
Earlier I had mentioned that I was going to provide a list of the supplements that I take. Quite a bit, really, the full list is here.

Transformedit: I've moved this to keep things on topic.
 
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It's usually something like 50mg 5-APB and 60mg 6-APB. The extra potency of the HCl (~10%) probably isn't worth adjusting for (might be if you push upwards).

Or multiples thereof. :) Ratio there is a good one. And no, probably not worth buggering about too much adjusting for 5-APB Succ vs HCl, it's all gravy I'm sure.

I remember accounts of it having double the potency (5-apb HCl)... :/

Never had the succinate so can't compare but no, nothing like double I don't think. HCl < 20% stronger going by all I've read. Weight for weight with 6-APB the 5 HCl hits a lot harder, a lot faster, espesh insufflated. Feels a lot stronger on the come up but not sure peak is very much different in intensity. Make of that what you will, it's maybe not an accurate comparison I'm making.
 
Here's an experience report from Thursday,

CHEMICAL 6-APB

QUANTITY: 150MG

ROUTE OF ADMINISTRATION: ORAL, SWALLOWED, CAPSULES

TIME OF ADMINISTRATION: 2013.02.21 1820 HOURS

1900 hours Drinking lots of water, doing chores. Laundry, cleaning house.

1920 hours Already feeling come up. A little uncomfortable. I feel that this one is going to be a zippy! Had good 10 hours plus sleep before hand. Lots of antioxidants and other nutritious agents in body.

1930 hours The impulse to throw up is already intense.

1935 hours Take a shower!

1945 hours Drying off, sense of touch strong, a little unbalanced... drinking water helps. Starting to get out of body ish.

1950 hours Trembling in extremities. Fingertips hot.

1955 hours Weighed myself: 167.5 lbs.

1955 hours For some reason there is no eye dilation yet!

1955 hours Internal temperature, at ear, as measured by optical thermometer: Too low to register

2005 hours Internal temperature, under tongue (since ear won't measure, for some reason): 97.9 degrees F

2005 hours Heart rate is: 72bpm

2030 hours Been getting all the feelings typical, and pretty powerfully, too. Finally get eye dilation, but it comes and goes.

2044 hours Listening to music, getting a lot of different projects done (simultaneously) – note: I can't believe only fifteen minutes has past. Wow!

2051 hours Still getting waves, and a good thing, too, because I was worried I wasn't going to get any euphoria, and just stim!

2138 hours Finished some projects. Heart rate is up. I want to exercise! Eyes fully dilated. Turned off most of the lights in the house.

2200 – 0200 hours I stopped recording during the experiment, future notes are being typed the day after. During this period I was definitely in and out of focused consciousness. Approximately four hours after ingesting the 6-APB, I find myself in a state where it becomes easy for me to project myself into imaginary circumstances. For example, I can “trick” my brain into seeing what I want it to see, feel what I want to feel, etc. It's quite extra-sensory in this way. Past experiments with dosages larger than 150mg and I'm usually too overwhelmed to control where I want to go with the “trip” and it usually leads to sex (when available) or masturbation. At 150mg, I control the trip somewhat, and music is like a soundtrack to my “movie.”

NOTE: Tuesday night I experimented by plugging 100mg 6-APB and it affected me less powerfully. I had read reports that less would go farther through this route of administration. It didn't that time, anyway. My pupils never really got too dilated, and instead of the pleasurable warm hazy waves swallowing 6-APB produces for me, plugging produced creepy, tweaky, prickly cool waves that made me tense and wanting to accomplish tasks but without the ability to pick a task to do! That one I could have done without.
 
any short-term recommendations on a good mixing ratio of 6-apb and 5-apb(HCl)? chilling at home, close friends-setting... :)

we were two seasoned psychonauts (X&F) experienced with (higher dose) 6-apb and one guy (M) generally less experienced and no XP with 6-apb. I chose the dose to be 110mg 6-apb and 38mg 5-apb and 100mg 6/30mg 5 for M. preload with 1,6g piracetam each. settingwise we wanted to talk and chill at home with blankets, candles, incense, music, "milkdrop" on a video projector... more therapeutic than recreational.
onset was at ~45, comeup @60. comeup was relatively slow (compared to 6-apb alone) and X&F clearly felt the effect of the 5-apb from the beginning. it feels emotionally clear and has a distinct positive push. effects developed over ~30min and I soon felt that the dose was more on the low side for me&us. not underwhelming but for a home setting it could have been a bit higher. no overwhelming rushes, but a nice and stable "useful" plateau.
nevertheless we were all very content with our state and at least for me it felt very healing. emotional/physical and verbal communication was greatly enhanced, so was music and lights.
a big downside of the experience was the duration: against all my expectations and experiences with 6-apb (6-7h peak), I watched the clock at t+3:41 after ingestion - wondering if the effects might be subsiding already. they did.. :( substantial and enjoyable effects lasted way longer but the actual peak lasted 2,5h maybe. we soon got a little bit bored and started to smoke weed which dulled the emotional clarity and usefulness of the state but made it much more hedonistic imo.
at this point someone mentioned DMT and got the answer "maybe later". I didn't touch DMT for nearly 2 years but I somehow immediately knew that I would be smoking it later. fast forward 2 hours and many joints - lush roman-emperor-decadence-vibe - M inhales his first 20mg of DMT ever and has a strong experience with an elf-like-entity inviting him over (after I took my dose I gave him 30mg and he came back talking about him having been "at the source". <3 ) I also chose 20mg and am very, very pleased with that dose. I feel very free and clear in the DMT space and also comment on a few visions to my friends in real time ("this is so beatutiful", "how could I forget THAT" ;) )...
X discovered and worked on some deep emotional issues and resistances during the experience (and also during prior ones), issues that he doesn't feel he can resolve at this time. I felt that the (spiritual) power, beauty and benignity of DMT can only be good for him. it wasn't. not really. he said he felt like a puppet being pushed around and from his accounts it sounded like he couldn't manage to go with the flow of the DMT - as if his resistances were even strengthened by the DMT...

X&F concluded that the amount of 5-apb was just right but 20-30mg more 6-apb would be perfect probably. we felt that 6-apb is the stronger/"better" drug - but that might be flawed by our prior experiences with 6. M would take more too.
no comedown-issues whatsoever can be reported. :)
 
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Am going to try an experiment tonight. Plan to drop 150mg of 6-apb, waiting for the unique come-up to complete and when urge to redose arrives, then small lines of 5-apb will be insufflated. I intend to limit my research to the synergies between just these two, but anything can happen in the moment :)
 
Thanks for the report Johannes! Really good read. I've been contemplating smoking DMT during the 6-apb comedown, but DMT still scares the crap out of me. I've had 4 experiences with it in 2 years, and haven't touched my stash in a year. Not that I had a bad experience with DMT, its just a lot to take in. And I always get the "I've really done it this time" thought with the super fast come up. I think it could be the perfect ending to the 6-apb experience. I'll wait until its warmer outside, and contemplate it again.
 
CHEMICAL 6-APB
QUANTITY: 150MG
ROUTE OF ADMINISTRATION: ORAL, SWALLOWED, CAPSULES
TIME OF ADMINISTRATION: 2013.02.24 1145 hours
1230 hours Now that I'm more experienced, I am easily aware of the tell-tale signs of coming up. The first wee twinge of nausea can be felt. The senses are starting to be affected, so very mildly at this point, and I can feel extra warmth in my head, especially behind my eyes.
1300 hours The concentration of my vision, mixed with the slight churning of my stomach means we're happily on our way to the peak, which is still two or so hours away. Now is when I make the most mistakes typing, because my fingers want to move so quickly. Music becomes more ethereal. Everything does, actually. This is the first time I've done this in the middle of the day, so it's very nice to have pure, bright sunshine pouring throughout the house. It's a beautiful warm day.
1312 hours Just need to note that this is when the waves are starting in any appreciable effect, and the part where I sometimes feel like I could lay down and kinda-sorta pass out.
1315 hours So I decided to lie down, to get the full effect. This is the most I've experienced the visual effects of the chemical since I started experimenting with it a month ago. Wow! I have red bands and green spots in my peripheral vision.
1345 hours Just to give an idea of how stimmy this becomes: I just gave all three of my dogs a very thorough bath, washed the bathroom (and tub), and vacuumed the floors in the house. The visuals are still pretty obvious. This is one of the best trips yet!
1422 hours Wow, I don't know what is different about this time around, but I'm getting a lot more done than I usually am able to on this chemical. I would have thought at LEAST an hour and half passed since I typed my last note. Drinking lots of water. I took a shower at around 1400 hours, and it rejuvenated me.
1526 hours For the entire last hour, I've been listening to binaural beats, brainwave generators, putting me into creative states of meditation and self-hypnosis. What a great idea! This has been intense.
1730 Broke out the photo albums, and was transported into the past. I totally spaced the world out and was exploring the stories of those photo albums. But, with the stiffness in my spine and joints, I realize that the peak has passed, and now it's time to condition for the crash. My favorite way is a gentle toothbrushing w/ a mentholated rinse, some hot tea—a sandwich—and as soon as there aren't any more tasks I want to get done today, then the ultimate in crash-prep: smoking a bowl! I expect this is pretty much the end of this experience. All in all, it was one of the best. Powerful and yet comfortable in every way. I accelerated through the atmosphere and orbited the planet a few times, and now I'm coming down, so far so good. See you all back at ground control. Took 9mg of melatonin, a glass of water, and ate a chicken sandwich. (That wasn't TOO hard.)

Based on the last few experience reports, with 150mg of swallowed 6-APB, I come up around 1 hour, peak between 2.5 - 3.5 hours in, and start coming down at around 6 hours. Note, that unless you can fall asleep, the come down will last another six hours easy.

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1922 hours About half an hour ago I smoked a big bowl. This come-down might as well be the plateau for other stimulants/psychedelics. I'm still greatly under the influence, although mostly my muscles are tense, I find it hard to relax my body, sit comfortably... Muscles are just primed, tense, ready to go, but they won't relax.

Other Thoughts: So far, in February, (this month) I have taken various amounts of 6-APB from 50mg to 225mg on seven different occasions. I have not noticed any tolerance buildup. If anything, re-administering every few days, even day after day (as I have done on one occasion), tends to make each new experience a bit stronger than the last. (Except when I plugged 100mg. That was unexpectedly mild, and I almost would rather be sober.) I insufflated 50mg with 100mg swallowed during one of my experiments, and I remember that being a good trip, but still not as enjoyable as 150mg taken orally. Swallowing the powder in capsules is my preferred ROA.

Term effects since I've been using this RC? General tiredness caused by not enough sleep; mornings-after tend to be a bit less-than-real feeling, like I'm not wholly there, like part of my mind is in another room, and not paying attention, so you have to consciously bring it over from its room, where it's been reading a book, writing poetry or something.

Good mixes? I've only really mixed vitamins/minerals and shit like that. I have a very strong feeling that the DHA I supplement with is just good to have, like it keeps all the windows clean and shiny, or opens the blinds, or blows the clouds away, or blinks away the dust. I generally feel good like that about fifteen minutes after taking it.

Okay, don't know if this is something in my diet or what, but last couple of days I have noticed a distinctive smell from my urine that reminds me of methylmercaptan (or the gas that gives “Asparagus Pee” its smell.) And, I haven't eaten asparagus. This is supposed to be my last experiment for a couple of weeks, anyway, so I'll find out what comes of the weird smell—if it persists or goes away.

As far as neurotoxicity, I have not experienced any of the zaps being described by others, although I am familiar with the neurotoxic effects of other drugs, like methamphetamine, where I would sometimes wake from a deep sleep disconnected from my body, feeling as though I wasn't breathing, or my heart beating. It was like being in a nightmare when you die, but you don't get that “out” of waking up and realizing it's just a dream. People might have been walking around me, I could sense their presences, and yet I couldn't even scream or get their attention, even though everything in my mind was screaming for help! But nothing of the sort with 6-APB. If anything, it's like accelerating in a rocket through the atmosphere, orbiting the planet for a few hours, and then dropping back into the atmosphere and parachuting gently to Earth.

If anything, I have really learned how to manage the new physics of this altered-reality. Whereas it used to take me up to twenty minutes to relax the muscle that lets me urinate, now I am able to relax that muscle at will. I am even able to focus on close objects when my vision starts getting wacky after peak and into the landing (as it does every time). It has also become easier for me to resist the impulse to clench my teeth or bite my cheeks.

The best thing I have done while experimenting with 6-APB was listening to programmable binaural beats with a pair of headphones. I had the most success with my brainwave generator software tonight than I ever have before. I enjoyed several programs, but really enjoyed 7hz. In fact, as soon as The Who is finished playing, I'll probably listen to the binaural beats again. The best way for me to describe the psychoactive effects of 6-APB is to use Freud's structural model of the psyche, and to say that the “Ego” is largely suppressed, and the “Id” is getting pinged the fuck out. Meanwhile, someone's paid off the “Super Ego” which is engaging in some serious reality-stretching, and the “Id” is in charge and intently playing a wild game of make-believe. Spending a few hours moving from an Alpha state to a Theta state and back again really put the reigns in my hands.

The pleasures of the plateau period of 6-APB persist through the “landing.” Stimulation remains strong. I notice that while I miss the euphoria from the peak, I am yet content with what remains. What happens during the comedown is that the “Ego” suppression slowly loses effect, and the ability to accept the fantasy disappears. I find that it's just as exciting, though, returning to reality, because these are the physics of the rigid world, and for a time, they did not constrain me. It is now 2027 hours, almost nine hours since I swallowed the three 50mg capsules. I enjoy typing this experience report. It is actually a good time to reflect on it all, since I'm both in and out of the effects.

Even after day-to-day use, returning to social life isn't difficult. What remains from the trip are bags under the eyes, (easily explained away as lack of sleep) and a stronger sense of individuality. I tend to notice more self-esteem, and feel good about myself, and have more confidence in my ability to influence the world around me. But, I have noticed decreased patience. And what inhibits me from telling people what I think disappears for a while, too, so I become more reactive. There's still a part of my mind that isn't paying attention until I consciously send a messenger up there and ring the bell, but as my physiology returns to normal, not too much has changed. Am I addicted to this chemical? Not that I know of, as I have never experienced anything like a withdrawal symptom, but I'll let you know the next couple of weeks.

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If the so called brain zap feels like an acute headache twinge, then I experienced a couple of those last night, after taking 1000mg of vitamin c.
 
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