The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 4)

[IamMe90]

It's not very psychedelic really, but there is an element of that. Objects seem wavy around the edges and to be constantly shifting a little, and closed eye visuals consist of strange pixelated cartoon scenes.

Having now finally tried MDMA, I can compare the pro's of each and say:

MDMA:
- A bit more euphoria & empathy
- Less side effects
- Easier comedown/hangover

6-APB:
- Light OEVs and CEVs
- Long duration
- More stimulating (if that's desirable)

Unfortunately I haven't tried MDA so I can't compare really. But yeah, 6-APB can be as euphoric as MDMA, with a longer duration and some visuals and stimulation to top it off, but to reach the same level of euphoria you trade off for a greatly increased heart rate, worse jaw grinding etc, and a worse comedown/hangover.

Both great substances imo

I never experienced much of a comedown with 6-apb unless I redosed more than once, in my experiences I'd put MDMA and 6-apb about the same as far as comedown intensity goes but of course YMMV

6-apb just seems like a slightly more psychedelic, slightly less magical and longer version of MDMA to me. Of course, when MDMA has lost its magic, 6-apb is quite refreshing.

Also, I would definitely try to experience MDA whenever you can - if you get the opportunity to try legitimate MDA, even if it's outlandishly expensive, don't pass it up. It is the most magical psychedelic entactogen I've ever had the joy of experiencing.

 

[Walkens]

Hey which is more psychedelic 6-apb or 5-apb? at 200mg towards the end things got a bit trippy like aMT like looking, but ive done the combo 6-apb/5-apb and towards the end things got VERY trippy which I didnt like because I was out clubbing and it reminded me so much of LSD.

Didn't really see a solid answer to this so I was wondering if anyone had any legit info. My guess is that it is going to be dependent on brain chemistry and dose. Early research led me to believe 5-apb had a more psychedelic experience. Now i see many people posting that 6-apb does. I've tried the previous batch of 6-apb and only experienced euphoria and stimulation, this with a very small amount of 5 mixed for a total 100-300mg on initial test doses. 180mg seems to be the magic number for me.

I also tried the new batch with a 50/50 ratio of 6 and 5 at an initial dose of 200mg, followed by 100mg at come up and another 150mg 3-4 hours later. Being that this was the first time I "tripped", I was in awe. I would like the to repeat the experience, having the mild-strong visuals, similar to many of my friends more mild LSD experiences, but this leads me to believe that 5 is more psychedelic, or it is due to the combination. This combo for me produced a calming effect during the onset of the trip, off setting the euphoria to the background, though the stimulant effects were quite high.

 

[Jinux]

^^ You need to try them both separately for your self and see which YOU think is more psychedelic. Trying them both together will lead you to false assumptions.

 

[Shifty38]

I've tried both 5 and 6 separately several times and in combination twice. For me, there is very little that is trippy about 5. On the other hand, 6 can be a trippy little devil - both mentally and visually. I've found 6 to get particularly trippy in doses above 100mg. However, the most fun and most tripping I've experienced was with a combination of both - 200 of 5 and 190 of 6 (over several hours). However, I think the trippy properties were supplied solely by the 6.

 

[Walkens]

^^ You need to try them both separately for your self and see which YOU think is more psychedelic. Trying them both together will lead you to false assumptions.

"Sigh" Agreed. We just don't know enough about what is going on at the molecular level. It is true that the new batch may be producing the visuals for me as well or it could be just the 5, or the high dose etc. Too many variables. Unfortunately this isn't like wine or beer tasting which can be tried back to back. Testing for specific results safely can take months. In many of the threads I've read though, the combo seems to produce the most compounded experience. Thanks for the input both of you, off to testing. %)

 

[Shifty38]

Yep, duly noted. We actually know very little about these substances. I'll keep making the sacrifice and testing this stuff whenever I can

 

[futuretastic]

I rolled balls with my friend last weekend on 6-apb. We did 50mg powder + 1 50mg 777 pellet each for 100mg each total. We spent the whole night talking incessantly and rolling around on the floor sweating. We had a great time. The pellets were just a couple samples I had, I tend to stick to the tan, TCP smelling powder.

here's my last report: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-on-100mg-s-of-6-apb-in-a-bed-with-a-computer

dunno if I'll write up this most recent one, since I feel the description in the paragraph above pretty much covers it.

 

[The King of Beans]

I dont think its that dangerous to roll once week. There is proof of this

Quote "Actually the 1 month rule is a bit of an understatement imo, if you're rolling every month, whether it be MDxx, x-APB, or even just large amounts of beta-ketones you're likely to be doing yourself damage in the long run. IIRC SERT concentrations in the brain are around 90-95% of their original density 4 weeks after your dose (with MDMA in particular, though MDA is slightly worse in this respect, so 6-APB should be treated similarly), with the last 5-10% taking a while longer to recuperate. This effect is likely to stack, e.g. if you dose again after 4 weeks you may only be back to say 88-90% another 4 weeks later.""


Actually if that were true, I'd have 0% serotonin left in my brain...because I was rolling 10-20x per MONTH there for a while in 2010. Also been rolling for over 15 years. When I first started in 1998 I was rolling every other day. That did take a toll on me because the beans were so strong back then. Now a days they are weak (or its just my tolerence) as I was eating up to 8 pokeballs a night and not even getting a really bad hangover like I did back in the 90's. But my point is, even though MDMA is neurotoxic, it is not as bad as most people claim. Yes I believe I did myself some permanent damage, but that was done back in the day on an extreme Overdose I had with MDMA and speed at the same time. MDMA itself is pretty weak, you can recover from it pretty quick. I hear studies have shown only about a 5% depletion of serotonin over long term use.

PS-Also know a guy who has rolled once per week for over 10 years straight. He said the key to being healthy is to Eat before after and DURING your roll (Makes sense) and to not over do it, meaning only take one dose per roll. I totally believe this is healthy and not going to depelete all your serotonin because I have rolled
much more extreme...as I said I was rolling up to 20 times in just one month. 5x a week was no uncommon for me. I'd take a couple days break as sometimes I would eat 3 strong pills and not feel a thing due to tolerence


I'm not condoning to do what I did. It's not smart, you'll lose the magic. But I'm just saying I don't believe the scare tactics about MDMA causing serious damage over the long term.

 

[6apbhmm]

I too think that saying "1 month rule is a bit of understatement" is some serious exaggerating, I don't advise every week as 6-APB is a very strong drug but I bet once per month is safe.

 

[YaniCZka]

how does this stuff feels in smaller doses (around 50mg) - if used as a base for other chems (due its long activity) - i was considering mixing it with 4-fa and redosing with mephedrone in order to use less material (4-fa and meph). can 6-apb be felt in small doses and if yes, is it stimulating? euphoric? trippy? thanks.

 

[6apbhmm]

From my and many others experience 6-APB is exceptionally dose dependant, when I've tried 60mg for the frist time all I felt was some mild stimulation and perhaps mood lift, yet some nausea. Definitely not euphoric nor trippy. Adding just 40mg more suddenly turned it into a great compound. I think it could be interesting to use it as a base because of its activity, yes, didn't try it personally though.

 

[Shifty38]

Again, not tried lower doses but both it and 5-APB seem to be dose dependent. Lowest initial dose I've tried is 75mg and there was a huge difference between that and my roll with 100mg and an even bigger difference when taking 190mg - obvious point I know.

 

[YaniCZka]

Thanks for replies guys. I think that I will try what 40mg 6-apb plus 20mg 5-apb does with 4-fa and meph experience, whether such small dose will be felt at all and whether less 4-fa and meph will be needed to achieve desired high.

 

[The King of Beans]

Ok, finally tried some of this last night. Was brown powder, TCP smell...definitely legit. But after all the research I did in the past week...I am dissapointed with 6-apb. I eyeballed about 135 mg of the stuff and drank it down with water. Some said it would take 2 hours to kick in. Not for me. I felt it instantly...(But Im weird like that, I feel acid and shrooms instantly too while others take up to an hour) although it took about 45 minitues before I started tripping.

The reason I'm dissapointed in 6-apb is because so many people said it feels like "Rolling". NOT AT ALL....It feels like TRIPPING. Both me and my girl said the same thing about it. It was nothing special. Music did sound good on it and that was the only saving grace. But it felt like a dirty (But fairly weak) trip feeling almost the whole way through. I started drinking alcohol on it and got a huge headache...so I smoked some pot...THEN after I smoked the pot (Which was 7 hours into the experience) I started tripping balls! So at first, It was like a weak trip for 7 hours...I was very dissapointed. No rolling feelings at all. But after the Pot, I started seeing all kinds of crazy visuals (Way cooler than Acid or shrooms) and hearing voices(Which Im still not sure if the voices were real or not) and I was talking like a mad comedian telling joke after joke without even trying. They were just coming from the top of my head. Also I couldn't stop laughing at this point. I was really trippin balls, but it was a good trip. This was the best part of the whole experience. I was more fucked up at this point (7 hours in) Than any other point of the night. So, even though I "Felt" the drug instantly after taking it....it didnt truly kick in for about 7 hours later after I took the pot with it. But even then it was still like a trip and NOT a roll.

Not sure how all these people compare it to MDMA...it's not even on the same level. It feels like a weak shroom trip but with cooler visuals and more forgiving ego. (I've had some horrible trips from shrooms before...I dont see that being possible with 6-apb) I dont even consider 6-apb to be a potent serotonin drug. I seriously doubt it's neurotoxic...as it did not release much serotonin at all for either me or my girlfriend. We werent that happy..and we were practically sober all night (until the weed) with a headache. But I think had we listened to more music it would of been a better experience. So Im not writing this substance off yet. I am planning to take it again for sure, next time having a better setting and Im going to smoke some weed from the start, as that made the 6-apb 10x stronger.

The one effect of 6-apb that I liked which I would compare to MDA (not mdma) was the talking nonsense part. I always did that when I did MDA and I love it. It's just so funny to listen to yourself or others talk while on it. But the feeling itself from 6-apb is nowhere near that of MDA. MDA feels like you're rolling, similiar to MDMA...but 6-apb feels like you're tripping similiar to shrooms. So, not sure how all these people claim 6-apb is a roll drug...it's obviously not. Most liekly, they are either vendors or they have never tried a real bean before. Or maybe its just this new batch of 6-apb which is totally weak. I heard older batches are better. But all I can say is that if you get the 6-apb poweder and are looking to mimic a roll, you will be dissapointed. Prepare for a good trip. (If you want to feel like a weak roll, try 4-FA...that is the closest thing to MDMA Ive tried in terms of RC chems. Also 4-FA is a lot more euphoric than 6-apb...but it's all a matter of opinion and personal preference. If you love to trip you'll love 6-apb


Now for the bad side effects I got. The headache could probably be blamed on mixing with alcohol..but i got a pretty severe one. I always drank with mdma and never got a headache until maybe the next day. But I also had this dirty feeling all night (Which I NEVER get from mdma...I always feel clean on good beans) The dirty feeling I got from 6-apb felt EXACTLY like the feeling you get when you do a Piperazine. I didnt see anyone say this in all the 100s of reports I read. But that's exactly how I felt. Also I had diarhea throughout the night (Which also never happens with mdma or mda) I never did get nauseated which so many people said would happen. I do get nauseated with a good bean though. So just about on every level, 6-apb is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE MDMA...No similiar effects except music appreciation. But even that was different. I would compate 6-apb to a dirty piperazine far more than I would even compare it to MDA. (Which as I said before had only one similiaty to MDA..) I did see some very minor eye wiggles for about 2 seconds after smoking, which did amaze me as I havent seen them in so long (The beans are just too weak now to get that) Next day effects (Which is today) I've had the most extreme abdominal pain coming and going throughout the day. Ive also got extreme diahrea to go along with it. My musicles are very weak and sore from the dehydration as well. The Only time Ive ever felt like this before was after taking dirty piperazines. So beware people of 6-apb...start small and dont drink alcohol with it (just water) or you may be in for a very bad hangover.

On and I forgot to add- I didnt get floored, nor did I get the rushes everyone spoke about. Not sure why, but I had a good amount of energy on the 6-apb until way later in the night after smoking the pot. MDMA is more smackey than 6-apb for me.

Also I was just thinking...Maybe we did either too much or too little...since I eyeballed it. But I wanted to make sure we did
enough so that is why I eyeballed over 125 mg's so we wouldnt have to worry about taking more later. Sure enough I felt the effects instantly, so I was sure it was enough. I've heard in high doses it gets really trippy. So that leads me to believe maybe I just had too high of a dose? I could of easily had more than 150 mg's since I eyeballed it and I know it wasn't perfect.

But I find it hard to believe 50 mg's less would make the whole experience turn into a rolling type feel. The whole drug was
trippy. High doses of MDA never made me trip. Of course I'd see shit, but at least I felt like I was rolling from the MDA. I was hoping 6-apb would be similiar. Any suggesstions? Maybe should I try less next time? My girl did the same amount as I did almost, maybe a bit less as I gave her the smaller pile..and she didnt really feel anything much at all throughout the night. She said she did feel something but never saw any visuals and she has no interest to take it again. She did not get any of the bad side effects that I got today though. I think the diarhea I got is from parasites...so anyone who has certain kinds of parasites will surely get diareah from this drug.

 

[Nephtys]

Also I was just thinking...Maybe we did either too much or too little...since I eyeballed it. But I wanted to make sure we did
enough so that is why I eyeballed over 125 mg's so we wouldnt have to worry about taking more later. Sure enough I felt the effects instantly, so I was sure it was enough. I've heard in high doses it gets really trippy. So that leads me to believe maybe I just had too high of a dose? I could of easily had more than 150 mg's since I eyeballed it and I know it wasn't perfect.

But I find it hard to believe 50 mg's less would make the whole experience turn into a rolling type feel. The whole drug was
trippy. High doses of MDA never made me trip. Of course I'd see shit, but at least I felt like I was rolling from the MDA. I was hoping 6-apb would be similiar. Any suggesstions? Maybe should I try less next time? My girl did the same amount as I did almost, maybe a bit less as I gave her the smaller pile..and she didnt really feel anything much at all throughout the night. She said she did feel something but never saw any visuals and she has no interest to take it again. She did not get any of the bad side effects that I got today though. I think the diarhea I got is from parasites...so anyone who has certain kinds of parasites will surely get diareah from this drug.

Never eyeball you're dosage, weigh it out with a mg scale.
Wait three months in between serotonergic drug rolls/trips to preserve the magic.
Exercise daily.

 

[mllx]

Maybe you got a Piperazine, and not 6-APB...

Hard to say without a lab analysis.

 

[6apbhmm]

Nobody said that under 50mg it would turn in into "rolling type feel"? Actually if you read the thread you'd know that under 50-70mg the effects are quite weak. Perfect dosage is 90-130 mg generally. More than that and it will be trippy, too much maybe.

 

[Shifty38]

For me, a perfect dose is in the region of 150 - 180. I roll, I trip, I get rushes. Had a wonderful experience last night. Took 150 of 6, 20 of 5-APB and then an additional 80 of 5 at T + 2. Very, very much fun.

 

[The King of Beans]

Thanks for responses.

6abphmm- I didn't say 50 mg's would make you roll. I know 50 mg's is not enough. I was saying that 50 mg's LESS than what I took (I assume I might of took up to 150 mg's...or possibly even more or less) So what I meant was It's hard to believe 100 mg's will make you roll...and 150 will make you trip.

Shifty38- Do you mean you went back and forth between rolling and tripping? Because from my past experiences, it's not possible to roll and trip at the same time. I've trolled many times (Candy, hippy, and other flipping) from many different combos...but one always overpowers the other. I've done Acid and MDA, which to me the acid overpowered the MDA. I've done shrooms and MDMA which it depends on which order you do it in, as to what overpowers the other. I've done MDMA and Foxy, which the MDMA overpowered the foxy because I took far more MDMA than I did foxy. So it all depends but my point is, you cant possibly feel like you're rolling AND tripping at the same time...because both feelings are so far different to each other. Tripping can be fun but the body buzz and euphoria with rolling is far more amazing than with tripping. Also you cannot have a bad roll (At least I haven't unless I was sitting in the cold with no music) But you CAN have a bad trip. So, to feel both of these feelings at once is simply impossible for me. So thats why Im asking if you went back and forth between the two feelings? Still sounds kinda strange to go back and forth but I can't see feeling both at once being possible.

MLLX- I am positive it was not a piperazine for several reasons. First, I've done pipes many many times and never seen any kind of visuals like I got with the 6-apb. Also the site I got from has been verified to have real stuff, and the smell and color of it gave it away that it was in fact real. Also on top of that, my experience sounds like many others...just WITHOUT the rolling feeling. You cant compare tripping to rolling. They are two totally different experiences. Most would agree rolling feels a million times better. I've done MDA before, I never felt like I was tripping from it. I just felt like I was rolling with a lot of crazy visuals. So my definition of tripping is the mind part. I dont consider seeing visuals to be tripping. Just to clarify. And that is because I've seen awesome things on MDMA alone and of course MDMA doesn't make you trip. The diarhea I got from this 6-apb is off the charts. Never in my life have I ever had it this bad, even from dirty ass pipes. I actually shit my pants while writing this post and had to take a break to go to the bathroom again. I've went about 50x in the past 36 hours or so (No joke, Im pretty dehydrated, taking a lot of supplements to keep me going or I'd be too weak to even type this post)

I just think 6-apb is a dirty ass drug. You can feel the dirtyness when you're on it. Maybe though I just did way too much. That's what Im trying to figure out. I had no choice but to eyeball it cuz I have no scale. Has anyone else gotten this dirty feeling from 6-apb? My girl had to also take off work today cuz she felt weak and tired. And it's been 2 days since we did this stuff. Again Im positive it was a legit batch. But Im trying to figure out if we just did way too much or what...because I do want to try it again...I think with music this time it will help the experience maybe turn into more of a rolling type feel.

Neyphtys- Yeah I used to way over do the beans...but I havent actually rolled in almost a year. I dont do serotonin drugs hardly at all anymore. In the past year I did 4-FA two or 3x and 6-apb once. So Im sure if I did any MDMA anytime soon I'd roll really good. I did lose the magic for a while before cuz of course tolernece. But to me rolling is still good even with no magic. I think the pills just got way too weak after the 90's when I first started. Last really strong pill I had was in 2001, which was the original batch of Superman's. I've done all the pokeballs that were around in 2010 and they were just mellow and weak. I'd eat 3 at once and they couldn't even compare to one pill from back in the day.

 

[Johnyderp]

Thanks for responses.

6abphmm- I didn't say 50 mg's would make you roll. I know 50 mg's is not enough. I was saying that 50 mg's LESS than what I took (I assume I might of took up to 150 mg's...or possibly even more or less) So what I meant was It's hard to believe 100 mg's will make you roll...and 150 will make you trip.

Shifty38- Do you mean you went back and forth between rolling and tripping? Because from my past experiences, it's not possible to roll and trip at the same time. I've trolled many times (Candy, hippy, and other flipping) from many different combos...but one always overpowers the other. I've done Acid and MDA, which to me the acid overpowered the MDA. I've done shrooms and MDMA which it depends on which order you do it in, as to what overpowers the other. I've done MDMA and Foxy, which the MDMA overpowered the foxy because I took far more MDMA than I did foxy. So it all depends but my point is, you cant possibly feel like you're rolling AND tripping at the same time...because both feelings are so far different to each other. Tripping can be fun but the body buzz and euphoria with rolling is far more amazing than with tripping. Also you cannot have a bad roll (At least I haven't unless I was sitting in the cold with no music) But you CAN have a bad trip. So, to feel both of these feelings at once is simply impossible for me. So thats why Im asking if you went back and forth between the two feelings? Still sounds kinda strange to go back and forth but I can't see feeling both at once being possible.

MLLX- I am positive it was not a piperazine for several reasons. First, I've done pipes many many times and never seen any kind of visuals like I got with the 6-apb. Also the site I got from has been verified to have real stuff, and the smell and color of it gave it away that it was in fact real. Also on top of that, my experience sounds like many others...just WITHOUT the rolling feeling. You cant compare tripping to rolling. They are two totally different experiences. Most would agree rolling feels a million times better. I've done MDA before, I never felt like I was tripping from it. I just felt like I was rolling with a lot of crazy visuals. So my definition of tripping is the mind part. I dont consider seeing visuals to be tripping. Just to clarify. And that is because I've seen awesome things on MDMA alone and of course MDMA doesn't make you trip. The diarhea I got from this 6-apb is off the charts. Never in my life have I ever had it this bad, even from dirty ass pipes. I actually shit my pants while writing this post and had to take a break to go to the bathroom again. I've went about 50x in the past 36 hours or so (No joke, Im pretty dehydrated, taking a lot of supplements to keep me going or I'd be too weak to even type this post)

I just think 6-apb is a dirty ass drug. You can feel the dirtyness when you're on it. Maybe though I just did way too much. That's what Im trying to figure out. I had no choice but to eyeball it cuz I have no scale. Has anyone else gotten this dirty feeling from 6-apb? My girl had to also take off work today cuz she felt weak and tired. And it's been 2 days since we did this stuff. Again Im positive it was a legit batch. But Im trying to figure out if we just did way too much or what...because I do want to try it again...I think with music this time it will help the experience maybe turn into more of a rolling type feel.

Neyphtys- Yeah I used to way over do the beans...but I havent actually rolled in almost a year. I dont do serotonin drugs hardly at all anymore. In the past year I did 4-FA two or 3x and 6-apb once. So Im sure if I did any MDMA anytime soon I'd roll really good. I did lose the magic for a while before cuz of course tolernece. But to me rolling is still good even with no magic. I think the pills just got way too weak after the 90's when I first started. Last really strong pill I had was in 2001, which was the original batch of Superman's. I've done all the pokeballs that were around in 2010 and they were just mellow and weak. I'd eat 3 at once and they couldn't even compare to one pill from back in the day.

Then obviously what you took was not 6-APB. Can't really go on your one experience against the plethora of amazing experiences from everyone else. (Those who get from knowingly legit sources that is).