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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 4)

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FrequentFlyer, when I've redosed I've always left it too late I think. Always saved the same amount as I'd dosed intending to do it in once the first had come up and settled so I could guage whether I was where I wanted to be, but always forgotten about it till I remind myself later amazed that half a dozen hours have gone nowhere in the meantime. Dosing that late it absolutely does not increase the intensity even with the same dose as the first for me, doubling the total. It just adds to the duration. I suspect if I'd dosed it at 2 hours in things might have been different, it may have been too much doing 125mg on top of 125mg a couple of hours in but can't possibly say for certain. These days I just do a big enough dose to get me where I wanna be from the off, 150-200mg, 200mg being borderline too much.

It's not like E. There's no rush as such, it's not heavy or mongy, being smooth stimulation with chilled out serene warm euphoria that comes in waves, but it doesn't hit the same heights as good E even at high doses. The headspace is clear and lucid, with psychedlic overtones. It's lovely in its own right, but it's not an E substitute.
 
Redosing is rather risky, I'm glad I've got experience with mdma. I once did a redose at T+4 (my first time), I didn't really know 6-apb comes in waves.
When the waves of the first dose came back together with the booster, I rolled at the speed of light :D There was even a little bit of nausea...
 
been on 6apb for 30h+ now, 5 pills (or was it 6.. unsure) in total spread over just started with 1 & 1/2 pill then halves every few hours or so, last halfpill about an hour ago now. first times i did 6apb anything more than 1 pill was too much and i had a bad time, tho then i had taken it a few days in a row then maybe that had something to do with it. anyway ive bn taking it weekly for 5-6 weeks lately now and upped dose to 1 & 1/2 then some more halves a bit in a few weeks ago and worked out raelly well now as it just made it stronger, so think ill stick to a minimum 1 & 1/2 pill starter dose and maybe another pill an hour or few in for my personal future tries.- but for newbs Id reccomend NOT do more than 1 pill in the start or redose, i had bad time every time i did that but as i said i had abused it too so maybe had somethign to do with the bad times.
also wait atleast 3hour++ for the effect, sometimes takes a really long (prolly especcialy after eating). now i hadnt eaten much (slices of bread ~hour before first dose) and think i was on it pretty good in less than an hour.
was hoping for some kewl stronger visuals as this got along but never got really that strong, dont think itd be good to take even more to try increase it, thikn id have explosive vomit as i had before on it and many hours bad time..so starting low. tho while leaning out the window for some icy air to calm nausea (that workd!) i had some times i started noticing some interesting ones,like the snow turned blue,and in-between a trees branches,like the lil piece of background that is seperated by the branches to the background,got into flakes of colors. some weird small things like that, psychedelic colors i think. seeing some weird stuff on my monitor and around now,walls and everything,atleast till i look directly at it.. -nothing i can focus on or overwhelming or anything so pretty minor things i think, mostly just colors in some areas i think. never got much stronger than this either with more doses since the first. mayb funny/interesting but nothing worthwhile. i think to get more id need to build a tolerance or something so i can take a much bigger starter dose? not sure if thatd work or even be a good idea to try..
think its a bit hard to think properly/focus n stuff now..but not too much more than after 2+ pills or so i think. pretty "cloudy", surely shouldnt operate heavy machinery or anything. stumbling a bit i think. the best feelings i think were over after 12h or so too. also after 2pill+ i cant orgasm anymore tho i usually love it on 6apb,well MAY but literally sat 6hour+ once trying to finish while becoming dehydrated, could barely get it going..difficult, not worth it then i think. also im not sure its related but this time when ive taken much more then ive done before ive got some extra sideeffects i havent had before tho i cant say for sure its related- a side of one of my eyes is really blod-shot, like almost all red. i see a similar pattern of veins in the other eye forming.. pretty red eyes overall, hopefully fixed after sleep. also my throat hurts a bit (-when swallowing) like when having a cold or something, but mayb ive gotten a cold now so mayb that.. besides a few apples and vitamin pill ive forced down ive had a few cups of coffee thats all. feeling pretty OK now but pretty fked and these visuals.. thinking of going to bed in a bit. overall i think its a waste to take any more than 2 pills except maybe one re-dose to make it last longer or something, much more and the nice parts wont be extended or anything enough to be worth it..just intoxicated,mindfuck and visual bits i think. bit disappointed about the visuals couldnt get stronger,expected it to be like mda as ive read would be much stronger. dont think ill do this with as much again so prolly seen the top of the little visuals there is to it.

btw im new to these drugs in general and never done mdma or mda before,mayb i said some stupid/obvious things or something sry, i dont post very often..just thought id throw this out there now.
also i think ive gotten some anxiety or something after starting these pills (many months ago now tho, explained more in another earlier post) that made my quit my bad toking habit cos it got so bad every time i toked (some kindof "breathign problem" among some other things.. just in my head tho, im pertty sure..hoping itll pass.), still bothered with that anxiety or whatever it is many times per day even when not drugged...hoping ill get over it some time somehow. few small things. cant say for sure its these pills that did it,but, im pretty sure.. mayb cos i unfortunately abused it a bit in the start with buncha days in a row till it whent bad.
have 4 pills left from a pack of 25 i bought in september thinking of making that 1 or 2 sessions in a week+ or so, now that i expect to manage and prefer more than 1 pill at once for my future tries. hopefully ill manage to stick doing what i was planning then- mostly just listening to music, cos dam time flies by on it.. suddenly like "wha,night already what happend! chatted,listened to music and nothing for that long..." and suddenly the best high is over and unachievable again and wasted, lol.. sux.
also.. i think my comedowns have gotten better/become nonexistant since the first times i did it when it was very appearent, think i had some minor hallucinations (maybe hppd?) for few days after abusing some days in a row, n some weird stuff (focusing on heartbeat etc..annoying). havent had any of that now. ive done a buncha weeks in a row now but kept a week in between now, and last period i took it was some months ago. and yes i know its reccomended atleast a month between and other safety measures, im stupid :(

so yeah hm..think that was all i had to throw out there abuot this right now mayb someone can find somethign useful tho it may be very subjective and ive written some stupid/obvious things or such (im newb to all this!),mayb ill add something more later, im still pretty fked atm but managing well nothign serious,checkin out dem colors and listening to some chill music for an hour or few before i think i goto bed maybe.
ps. i love this drug, hoping to stack up on it more soon. learning to use it and how etc. im hoping to be able to use soemthing like this every other month or so (proper use,not abuse) some time, maybe.


l8rs:)
 
Please don't continue dosing every week or two. Like MDxx this is likely to be significantly neurotoxic, and doing it so often you're doing your brain some serious damage, which'll lead to reduced experiences, depression, anxiety, and permanently losing the magic.

You should be taking at least a month break between experiences, and it's likely that even dosing once a month would be very very bad for you in the long run.
 
Yeah, it's hard to resists after first experience, after another one mind chills a little and one doesn't think that he needs to recreate the experience ASAP anymore
 
FrequentFlyer, when I've redosed I've always left it too late I think. Always saved the same amount as I'd dosed intending to do it in once the first had come up and settled so I could guage whether I was where I wanted to be, but always forgotten about it till I remind myself later amazed that half a dozen hours have gone nowhere in the meantime. Dosing that late it absolutely does not increase the intensity even with the same dose as the first for me, doubling the total. It just adds to the duration. I suspect if I'd dosed it at 2 hours in things might have been different, it may have been too much doing 125mg on top of 125mg a couple of hours in but can't possibly say for certain. These days I just do a big enough dose to get me where I wanna be from the off, 150-200mg, 200mg being borderline too much.

It's not like E. There's no rush as such, it's not heavy or mongy, being smooth stimulation with chilled out serene warm euphoria that comes in waves, but it doesn't hit the same heights as good E even at high doses. The headspace is clear and lucid, with psychedlic overtones. It's lovely in its own right, but it's not an E substitute.

Cheers Sepher. Sounds oddly familiar the way you describe it :D. I´ve had those postponed plannings too. I used to have a foolproof system for upping the intensity again after the initial 2 hours with some mdai (which does feel overwhelmingly euphoric and rushy like e), but now that one disappeared of the radar...

No luck with finding a replacement yet: 5-apb and 4-fa was a big fat fail and I heard from someone that 6-apb+ 3-fa is just as bad as adding mpa. Looks like redosing in a proper fashion wouldnt get me near those highs from trip report accounts either :s
 
It's not like E. There's no rush as such, it's not heavy or mongy, being smooth stimulation with chilled out serene warm euphoria that comes in waves, but it doesn't hit the same heights as good E even at high doses. The headspace is clear and lucid, with psychedlic overtones. It's lovely in its own right, but it's not an E substitute.
I've found the effects to be indistinguishable from mdma for me, apart from the greater duration, stimulation and visual aspects.
On 125mg I was first expecting something different, and thought I was just feeling stimulated (which was likely placebo effect), then I came up and my first thoughts are "wow, i'm totally rolling".

So for me it seems to be suitable as an mdma replacement. I have a theory this is because I have only done mdma about 4 times, so I am maybe still sensitive to all the aspects of such [feelsgoodchemical] releasers. Therefore it would be harder for me to distinguish as I feel (or seem to feel) the same intense rush from any of them, whereas more versed users may have increased tolerance or settled in to certain aspects (with serotonin, noripinephrine or dopamine being more desensitized/made used to) and so be able to distinguish those differences in pharmacology. That's probably inaccurate though. I will have to try mdma again to confirm it.

I haven't found it to have any comedown either, just a bit of an afterglow and feeling a little bit lazy the next day.

also, i'm interested to know if anyone else enjoys the long duration and residual stimulation? I still feel stimulated about 18 hours after I dose but I quite enjoy it. I'm quite interested to do aMT now that I know I enjoy that stuff.
 
I've found the effects to be indistinguishable from mdma for me, apart from the greater duration, stimulation and visual aspects.
On 125mg I was first expecting something different, and thought I was just feeling stimulated (which was likely placebo effect), then I came up and my first thoughts are "wow, i'm totally rolling".

So for me it seems to be suitable as an mdma replacement. I have a theory this is because I have only done mdma about 4 times, so I am maybe still sensitive to all the aspects of such [feelsgoodchemical] releasers. Therefore it would be harder for me to distinguish as I feel (or seem to feel) the same intense rush from any of them, whereas more versed users may have increased tolerance or settled in to certain aspects (with serotonin, noripinephrine or dopamine being more desensitized/made used to) and so be able to distinguish those differences in pharmacology. That's probably inaccurate though. I will have to try mdma again to confirm it.

I haven't found it to have any comedown either, just a bit of an afterglow and feeling a little bit lazy the next day.

also, i'm interested to know if anyone else enjoys the long duration and residual stimulation? I still feel stimulated about 18 hours after I dose but I quite enjoy it. I'm quite interested to do aMT now that I know I enjoy that stuff.


I agree with your theory.I don´t like the long aftermath, though. When I do this stuff on my own, the long ride down makes me want to redose. I usually take 2mg of risperdal after 5-6 hours coz i´m fed up with it.

While I´m at it, i´m gonna fire one more question out here. So far, my trials in combo´s were all disapointing except for MDAI. Dopaminergic compounds don´t produce e-like effects in any way, while combining with MDAI can even surpass a mdma experience. (While most people said it lacks dopamine activity to be like e)

I can´t find my source anymore but i thought i read someplace the rushiness from mdma is caused by the serotonin system activating dopamine. Could this be why mdai succeeds where others fail? That dopamine is activated in a different way and causes different effects?

I hope this is clear enough to understand, I´m a complete nab regarding neurotransmitter deets.
 
I agree with your theory.I don´t like the long aftermath, though. When I do this stuff on my own, the long ride down makes me want to redose. I usually take 2mg of risperdal after 5-6 hours coz i´m fed up with it.

While I´m at it, i´m gonna fire one more question out here. So far, my trials in combo´s were all disapointing except for MDAI. Dopaminergic compounds don´t produce e-like effects in any way, while combining with MDAI can even surpass a mdma experience. (While most people said it lacks dopamine activity to be like e)

I can´t find my source anymore but i thought i read someplace the rushiness from mdma is caused by the serotonin system activating dopamine. Could this be why mdai succeeds where others fail? That dopamine is activated in a different way and causes different effects?

I hope this is clear enough to understand, I´m a complete nab regarding neurotransmitter deets.

MDAI and 6-apb combo huh? Did you use lower doses of one or both compounds or just added an average dose of MDAI to an average dose of 6?

I found 6-apb to be very slightly similar to MDMA only in my ability to describe the effects. For example:

1. there is a noticeable comeup that is a bit of a rush - but this is after a very clear headed shaky, tweaky 45 mins to an hour that can be a bit uncomfortable
2. The come-up is clear headed, instead of the intense cloudy headspace haze rush of mdma.
3. The sedation people speak of is like a mix of being moderately drunk from red wine and a medium dose of pretty pure MDMA, with that opiate-like "warm goo" feeling. I suppose this is the "rolling".
4. Euphoria came on like this - Come-up, drop down with a low-dose acid electric body buzz feeling, opiate/mdma/alcohol sedation feeling, then euphoria.
5. Euphoria was very loved up but not filled with empathy like MDMA. Just an intense love feeling for the person I was experiencing the chemical with. She felt the exact same way, only far more loved up... (yikes)
6. Absolutely NO motivation to move (dance and stuff), I probably got a massage for a good 90 minutes or so
7. Body temp fluctuations were very prevalent, but wearing a sweater helped immensely
8. After-effects were very long lasting for me, highly stimmy, impossible to sleep

Effects will be different for everyone of course. This was 110mg. The non-motivation is something I experience with pure MDMA, it was almost the same with 6-apb. I plan on 125 or 130mg next time. If MDAI is really a great addition to 6-apb, I am more than down for that experience.
 
MDAI and 6-apb combo huh? Did you use lower doses of one or both compounds or just added an average dose of MDAI to an average dose of 6?

I found 6-apb to be very slightly similar to MDMA only in my ability to describe the effects. For example:

1. there is a noticeable comeup that is a bit of a rush - but this is after a very clear headed shaky, tweaky 45 mins to an hour that can be a bit uncomfortable
2. The come-up is clear headed, instead of the intense cloudy headspace haze rush of mdma.
3. The sedation people speak of is like a mix of being moderately drunk from red wine and a medium dose of pretty pure MDMA, with that opiate-like "warm goo" feeling. I suppose this is the "rolling".
4. Euphoria came on like this - Come-up, drop down with a low-dose acid electric body buzz feeling, opiate/mdma/alcohol sedation feeling, then euphoria.
5. Euphoria was very loved up but not filled with empathy like MDMA. Just an intense love feeling for the person I was experiencing the chemical with. She felt the exact same way, only far more loved up... (yikes)
6. Absolutely NO motivation to move (dance and stuff), I probably got a massage for a good 90 minutes or so
7. Body temp fluctuations were very prevalent, but wearing a sweater helped immensely
8. After-effects were very long lasting for me, highly stimmy, impossible to sleep

Effects will be different for everyone of course. This was 110mg. The non-motivation is something I experience with pure MDMA, it was almost the same with 6-apb. I plan on 125 or 130mg next time. If MDAI is really a great addition to 6-apb, I am more than down for that experience.

When i plan to add mdai right at the peak i only take 1/2 to 3/4 of an avg dose of 6-apb, same with mdai (but i think even less mdai would suffice).

When I add it during the ride down, 6-apb was normal dose. Mdai starting at half a dose , bumping my way up till it feels right. Works just as well as taken when peaking on 6-apb.
 
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My last trail on 100mg 6-apb kind of failed, the effects weren't that much/great.
Would 130mg be a sufficient dose?
Should I at 10mg 2-CB to potentiate the effects?
 
Hello! I hope to test 125mg of 6apb at a "Furry" Valentine Party this weekend. I'll post my first ever trip report Sunday or Monday. I've been trolling these BD threads on BL for a while now and I feel like I'm ready to contribute to the community. Hooray for Bluelight!

*Actually I found out the package will not arrive by this weekend so my test will be delayed until I get another opportunity.
 
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I'm thinking about combining 6-APB with methylone to compensate the lack of stimualtion I get with 6-APB. I took about 200mg of 6-APB on a party and all I wanted to do was sit down ;)
Anyone tried this yet?
 
And all I ever wanted to do on Methylone was sit down and trip on it too. Not sure how the combo's gonna work for you if more stimulation is required? 200mg 6-APB is pretty high IME. How much Methylone you thinking of doing? I'd cut 'em both right back if I was comboing.

Methylone has lots of negative effects at high doses like eye-wiggling all over the place, jaw tension, hyperthermia, hypertension, etc. 6-APB has those effects to some extent at high doses also, although to a lesser degree IME. They're gonna be additive, surely? The Methylone crash is proper dirty for me, and Methylone duration of effect is much less than 6-APB so will be dragging down while the 6-APB is in full effect I would have thought? I can't see it being all that good a combo unless you're very careful to dose / time it right?
 
If you want extra stimulation to party, don't do methylon while on 6apb. Tried it once. Took 150mg Methylon , 4h after ingesting 150mg 6Apb.

It was a great feeling that forced me to sit down for about 30 min. I have to say, the comedown was really bad compared to 6apb solo. NEVER again.
 
Swim and some friends tried it yesterday. One of them had 50mg and two of them 100mg. They all didnt feel much of it, almost no euphoria or any other positive effects. They all just felt very cold (measured ~34.2C body temperature) and one of them had problems with racing heart. Do you think it was a bad sample? The other products they tried from the same source have been quiet good.
 
Swim and some friends tried it yesterday. One of them had 50mg and two of them 100mg. They all didnt feel much of it, almost no euphoria or any other positive effects. They all just felt very cold (measured ~34.2C body temperature) and one of them had problems with racing heart. Do you think it was a bad sample? The other products they tried from the same source have been quiet good.

Hey man, just to let you know you don't have to use "SWIM" here. Back to the subject, the 6-APB I got was amazing. I bought the powder and I felt like I was on mephedrone, but just not as intense. Maybe you just got some bunk stuff?
 
Swim and some friends tried it yesterday. One of them had 50mg and two of them 100mg. They all didnt feel much of it, almost no euphoria or any other positive effects. They all just felt very cold (measured ~34.2C body temperature) and one of them had problems with racing heart. Do you think it was a bad sample? The other products they tried from the same source have been quiet good.

It doesn't sound like 6-APB, more like some nasty stimulant like MPA.
 
It doesn't sound like 6-APB, more like some nasty stimulant like MPA.

I haven't had MPA before, so I guess I wouldn't know. Maybe I described it wrong, but the affects were similar to the reports I have read. Very euphoric, jaw clenching, music sounded a lot better etc.

Here is my trip report- http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/607788-6-APB-New-experience.-Not-bad-at-all.

^Was high when I made this, made a couple of tweaks to it, but I'm pretty sure its accurate.
 
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