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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 1)

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I was also underwhelmed. That conflicts with what I said during ("it's wonderful, great, wow") -- but often things seem different when you've had time to reflect on them.

It was very enjoyable, very strong from a small dose. I didn't experience any visual effects at all - perhaps a bit of colur enhancement and haziness but barely noticable, and I was really looking forward to them.

For me it wasn't a patch on MDMA. It didn't have near the same levels of empathy or euphoria. It felt quite shallow.

I had residual stimulation for about 12 hours from first dose. The immediate comedown was pretty uncomfortable, feeling a bit sick and a bit sick of it all. I vomitted twice - once during the come up and once at the end. The vomitting wasn't all that unpleasant (I'm sure anyone who has been sick on pills will understand what I mean), but the sick shitty feeling was pretty grim. I felt better just resting my head on a cushion and closing my eyes for a while -- quite nice to relax, but would be a bit of an issue if you were out.
I'm a fan of benzos/GBL to get through a comedown, but I didn't need them for this.

Longer term comedown I can't really comment on yet as they can drag on for a week. The day after I just wanted to lie around and watch TV, so did my comedown classic of Star Trek overload - felt perfectly happy but wouldn't have wanted to go to work. Today (2 days after) I feel perfectly fine. Actually, I feel better than I usually do, less edgy.

Definitely a very nice drug and I'd take it again (if it ever appears for general sale), but I wish I had set out to judge it purely from my own perspective rather than trying to find all the other effects described in this thread. I was almost looking for "legal mdma" and this isn't it. I won't even compare it to mephedrone -- it's a very different beast.
 
Is the euphoria feeling similar to that from opiates, but with more stimulation? I should have a sample tomorrow but i'm just trying to get an idea of something to compare it too and i noticed nobody's said whether it is or isn't anything like opiates (bear in mind i've only tried a CWE of codiene, ~400mg).
(i may be well off the mark with this comparison as i'm rather inexperienced)
 
sefrutini said:
Is the euphoria feeling similar to that from opiates, but with more stimulation? I should have a sample tomorrow but i'm just trying to get an idea of something to compare it too and i noticed nobody's said whether it is or isn't anything like opiates (bear in mind i've only tried a CWE of codiene, ~400mg).
(i may be well off the mark with this comparison as i'm rather inexperienced)
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i'm a heroin addict and regularly use other opiates too, yet to try 6-apb but i'm very experienced with these mdma-style RCs - methylone, mephedrone, et al - and i'm a regular user of crystal mdma ...i've never found any of them to be in any way similar to opiates. totally different game. that said, i imagine 6-apb will be much more euphoric than codeine for just about everyone
 
For those interested here's the mass spectrum thingy of the 6-APB samples that were recently sent out:

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According to the first impressions of those in ADD it is definitely 6-APB with a few minor impurities (which is to be expected really, I'm sure). Sure they'll have more to say after looking into it... not that many of us mere mortals will understand their conclusions :D
 
So what is the general concensus regarding the difference between 6-apdb and 6-apd. The same, similar or completey different substances?
 
The picture provided is actually 1H NMR in D2O.

I'll forward my, Murphy and Hugo24's comments from the other thread.

Murphy said:
Yeah, I already suspected something like this. Ergo: No more CAS-numbers from Murphy.


Can we get a higher resolution for the NMR, please?
On the first sight, it looks indeed like genuine 6-APB (probably a salt; it was measured in D2O): 5 signals in the aromatic range vs. 3 for 6-APDB. The rest is hard to deciper though. Methyl is there, so is methylene and methylidene. No signal for the amine, but that was expected in D2O.

Nice! Thanks for the spectrum! I can see several impurities though. Check minor signals at 2.1, 2.8, 3.7, 6.8 and 7.25. All these shouldn't be there, if this batch is intended for human consumption. But impurities seem to be an accepted standard nowadays.

- Murphy
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... the dihydrofuran protons would come characteristically at 4ppm. And theres no N-Methyl there either, so far so good and it appears reasonably pure. But judging the isomer with accuracy is quite difficult. Asking for a higher resolution is just an excuse from Murphy, I see enough in the expanded range but I can't judge
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Yes, I was wondering about this myself. There is a slight shift about 0.1ppm or 0.2ppm towards 0 in the higher region (maybe because of the solvent?) for the two aromatic protons nearest to the isopropylamine chain. One would predict a peak somewhere about 6.5ppm (alkenyl 1H approximate to phenyl ring) also so the presence of that is not surprising. Yet strangely the peak is quite a bit higher than expected. The peak near delta=7.7ppm really strongly indicates the the alkenyl proton adjacent to the oxygen, though, so it sure seems like the benzofuranyl amphetamine derivative.
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so how stimmy is this stuff on the heart/circulation etc? as dodgy as meph or anything? sounds good but i get anxious on things that are too stimulating.
 
so how stimmy is this stuff on the heart/circulation etc? as dodgy as meph or anything? sounds good but i get anxious on things that are too stimulating.
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The binding numbers suggest that it is less so than MDMA, but there isn't really sufficient data yet.
And meph sets the bar really fucking low. ;)
 
I've been lucky enough to receive a sample of this chemical and have tried it twice.

First time: 50mg dissolved in water. Was advised to try 90 - 100mg but I decided to "test the water" first and use a low dose to check for threshold effects. After about an hour a come-up was felt however it wasn't very strong and lasted for a few minutes, before subsiding into a bit of a mood lift accompanied by an increased heart rate (probably around 80bpm) for around 2 hours. The increased heart rate was not uncomfortable at all. Overall not very significant effects.

Second time: 70mg dissolved in water for both myself and a close friend. For myself a very strong comeup started after about half an hour - a big rush of energy, very increased heart rate, a feeling of wellbeing and visual distortion; things appeared a lot brighter and perspective was slightly distorted making edges look wavy.
My friend came up about 20 minutes later with similar effects. This was probably due to the fact that I had a completely empty stomach whereas my friend had eaten fairly recently.
The comeup led into an enjoyable, slightly spacey (but not full-on trippy) euphoria with physical rushes that came in waves. We both felt that the experience was not particularly stimulating, we were quite monged out not talking loads like we expected.
The experience lasted for about 3 hours or so, peak effects from 1 - 2 hours with the visual distortions disappearing first leavinga pleasant glow.
There was no paranoia, adverse physical effects or much of a comedown from the drug. However the comeup was fairly intense so I imagine 90 - 100mg doses would provide a significantly stronger and probably longer lasting experience, in my opinion this would be too much for an inexperienced user.

We both enjoyed the experience and to some degree this chemical does live up to the hype. We didn't have the mad euphoria some people have reported although maybe this will be attained with higher doses.

Take care people!
 
Thanks for the nice report, Sparky :)

My only experience with this chem so far was at 100mg and from what you say, and the reports of one or two other people's experience of slightly lower doses than that, upping the dose just a tad seems to make a big difference. I found 100mg to be very satisfying but felt that just a smidge more would have taken it from the realms of a very good drug indeed to a truly awesome one. I have (ab)used MDMA, psyches, stims and a whole range of other drugs to the nth degree for a very long time though which I'm sure would play a part. Have 200mg left which I will be exploring further possibilities with in the near future but so far - from that one experience alone - it has surpassed my wildest expectations and I have high hopes for further explorations :)
 
The 100mg experience i enjoyed was nice and smooth with a little funky beat to it.. but i do think too that intriguingly increasing the dose to 150-200mg would make it a little more slanted and enchanted.. I'll be giving it a go some time soon..
p.s The comedown was such a nice gradual smooth landing .. that i didnt even realise i had landed! Felt a bit lazy tho next day but then again it was sunday and i was smoking weed all day....
 
will 6-APB have some bad side effects?

purple knees?
numb fingers/toes?
blue limbs?
vasconconstriction/vascilitis?
 
Brian.Badonde said:
Please explain your reasoning.
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All this mephedrone trouble isnt seen with more powerfull serotonine releasers like MDMA and in fact its meph's metabolite thats probably responsible for the vasoconstriction, maybe mediated by a adronergic mechanism, this has nothing to do with serotonine.
 
Mullered said:
any one tried testing it with a reagent yet?
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I believe it turns Marquis a dark purple colour similar to MDMA/MDA. Sure somebody posted somewhere in this thread that they had tested it and that was the case but can't be 100% cos my memory ain't great. Would be great if anybody receiving samples could test them and post the results :)

As for pics of the legit product, I have a picture of mine but still can't get it from my camera to my PC cos I can't find the sodding lead :!

If/when I can find that lead I will post it up but it is a fine, light brown/tan powder as has been mentioned by others.

PS: To whoever said that purple limbs/vasoconstriction wasn't caused by the toxic metabolite of mephedrone - you are mistaken cos it really is and is very common. No reports of any vasoconstriction issues caused by 6-APB but there is obviously precious little in the way of reports to base this on so far. Please report on any problems you may have when using it.
 
Shambles said:
I believe it turns Marquis a dark purple colour similar to MDMA/MDA. Sure somebody posted somewhere in this thread that they had tested it and that was the case but can't be 100% cos my memory ain't great. Would be great if anybody receiving samples could test them and post the results :)

As for pics of the legit product, I have a picture of mine but still can't get it from my camera to my PC cos I can't find the sodding lead :!

If/when I can find that lead I will post it up but it is a fine, light brown/tan powder as has been mentioned by others.
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Is your sample tan / light brown?

How easy is it to get hold of a reagent? Are they cheap?
 
Vasoconstriction is not caused specifically by serotonin or dopamine as far as I know (I may be mistaken so maybe look it up) and can happen to anybody on many stims but meph is notoriously bad for it - got it pretty severely myself after just a handful of uses of meph and now get it after using almost any stim. Meph is toxic as hell and the effects seem to be at least semi-permanent :\

Mullered: My sample (and all the other legit ones) are tan/brown coloured. Marquis tests are widely available online from places like here and many others. They are cheap, reliable and well worth the small investment :)
 
Brian.Badonde said:
will 6-APB have some bad side effects?

purple knees?
numb fingers/toes?
blue limbs?
vasconconstriction/vascilitis?
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Serotonergic and adrenergic activity are both implicated in vasoconstriction, so that effect is pretty much a given. It's more likely that the degree of vasoconstriction would be more along the lines of MD(M)A rather than meph, though, so purple knees/limbs and other effects of cardiotoxicity shouldn't be prevalent like they were with meph.
 
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