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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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I don't like the after effects I feel out of it the entire next day.

This stuff is absolutely amazing via im injection. Its like the dissassociative MDMA to me, way more control than ketamine and dxm and not quite as 'out of it.' I've only had moderate success with plugging and oral and snorting burns like all hell.

Definitely go im or iv (I'd like to hear about that) if you use needles.

Wish I still had access to this stuff.
 
Jeez that's still so hardcore to me that people are IMing substances for one - much less highly new substances with unknown toxicity or possible important metabolic breakdown processes that are being bypassed.

Anyway if you are IMing a dissassociative, which I've never done, I would imagine that you would feel like crap the next day - particularly longer lasting ones. This one lasts a while doesn't it?
 
PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, DXM, ketamine, and most other known dissociatives don't make you feel like crap the next day. They have an antidepressant afterglow which lasts days afterwards. If you count the main part of the afterglow the 4-MeO-PCP high is like 48 hours long.
 
I'm seriously interested in this... Especially if its better than K. I like DXM more than K but can't trip it anymore (just used it too much - just makes me feel drunk and fucks up my vision even at 1g doses) so I use K when its available but if 4-MeO-PCP is good... I want to get that. Does it increase bp and pulse like PCP and DXM or is it more sedating like K?
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I'm seriously interested in this... Especially if its better than K. I like DXM more than K but can't trip it anymore (just used it too much - just makes me feel drunk and fucks up my vision even at 1g doses) so I use K when its available but if 4-MeO-PCP is good... I want to get that. Does it increase bp and pulse like PCP and DXM or is it more sedating like K?
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I didnt measure it but I'm almost certain it increases bp and pulse. Its pretty stimulating and I felt my heart beating really fast on it last time and was dancing a bit.

Coolio: I haven't tried PCP but all 3 of those other ones leave me with undesireable after effects leading me to either compulsively redose or rarely ever use it in the case of dxm. Its not as bad as amphetamines but I certainly don't classify the after effects of 4-me0-PCP an afterglow.
 
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Yeah nevermind then. I can't handle the stimulation... well says the guy who's been rolling on Methylone over twelve hours now... but normally I can't handle it and taking benzos with disassociatives doesn't sound smart.
 
http://www.lookchem.com/chemical-dictionary/en/product_4/2185-93-5/

Why are people so quick to judge? Its 4-methoxyphencyclidine .. Try working your way from this page and youll get all kinds of info on pcp anologues. 4meopcp is supposed to be more like Ketamine than phencyclidene sp
http://www.lookchem.com/chemical-dictionary/en/product_4/2185-93-5/
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ralf2 said:
In the first post of this thread there is a (broken) link to this page: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/4-meo-pcp.html
Do you agree that this is the compound that is being discussed in this thread? Then it doesn't matter what you think the name means, all that matters is what the person that made it and tried it on himself meant.
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dissing ociatives.

In response to two people, DXM is a great dissociative (my favorite next to ketamine, people just need to get past the fact that its in cough syrup). If you have a hard time comming down from DXM the best thing for me Ive found is to drink a 20 ounce bottle of high potency lager and watch tv. It grounds you and makes you feel back to earth.
Also I read something that say mixing benzos with a dissociative doesnt sound safe. However, I almost always eat clonazepam comming down off a dxm or K trip and never had a problem. Actually it is recommended to take at least .5mg clonazepam before dosing dxm to prevent brain damage. I love dissociatives and I miss K!! I wish there was a 5meoketamine.
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guerillabedlam said:
I didnt measure it but I'm almost certain it increases bp and pulse. Its pretty stimulating and I felt my heart beating really fast on it last time and was dancing a bit.

Coolio: I haven't tried PCP but all 3 of those other ones leave me with undesireable after effects leading me to either compulsively redose or rarely ever use it in the case of dxm. Its not as bad as amphetamines but I certainly don't classify the after effects of 4-me0-PCP an afterglow.
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I don't believe that taking Clonazepam before DXM will prevent brain damage... since DXM has never been shown to cause brain damage in the first place nor has Clonazepam ever been found to be neuroprotective (in fact, the effects on the balance of NMDA and GABA could be considered highly neurotoxic IMO) however I don't see why taking Kpins to come down off of a disassociative would be dangerous. Except maybe PCP because of the respiratory suppression...
 
having a fever for an extended time is known to cause minor "brain damage." dxm typically raises the user's body temperature. clonazepam counteracts that.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I don't believe that taking Clonazepam before DXM will prevent brain damage... since DXM has never been shown to cause brain damage in the first place nor has Clonazepam ever been found to be neuroprotective
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GABA-A agonists and PAMs, 5-ht2a agonists, and muscarinic antagonists have all been found to be neuroprotective with respect to the formation of Olney's lesions:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/254/5037/1515

The bit about 5-ht2a is cool because dissociatives and psychedelics go so well together already. Alcohol is also neuroprotective in this case:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.brainres.2004.08.065
 
I don't believe in Olney's Lesions in the first place and I've never noticed my temperature to go down when I take Klonopin nor did I ever really notice a temperature increase on DXM unlike MDMA... So I'm just going to take all of this with a huge vial of salt and say that as far as harm reduction is concerned, you shouldn't be taking benzos unless you have to. Period.

Also, that article does not mention clonazepam, it mentions diazepam, which are two different drugs of the same class.

Even further, it is suggesting that using them in combination with NMDA antagonists can suppress the psychotomimetic effects of the drugs... Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of using them in the first place? Please forgive me if I'm wrong but hallucinations are desired on disassociatives...
 
So I acquired 4-meo-pcp and tried it by the anal route in doses up to 400mgs with out finding what I was looking for (160mg of im'ed ketamine does me good). So far, its basically long lasting ketamine without the k-hole. Recently I read a trip report about a person that im'ed 4-meo-pcp and had spectaclar results. The only thing that makes me hesitant is that the 4-meo-pcp I have doesn't dissolve completely in water. So I was thinking what would be the best way to prepare an im injection of 4-meo-pcp. My thinking is dissolve a specific amount in two cc in room temperture sterile water, micron filter, place in two syringes, and im one in each leg, leaving behind a large amount of the powder which may easily be a cut. I was thinking that maybe it might be okay to lightly heat the solution before micron filtering.

So do you think use only cold, room temperture, or mildly hot water? I think I'm going to settled on using room temperture sterile water, but I want to hear other people's opinion.
 
That's unfortunate. I was hoping to use the last of mine to attempt the silly-named four pee hole. I can only k-hole by combining it with tryptamines, so if you can k-hole and can't on this that doesn't bode well for me. Maybe I'll just mix it with tryptamines and history will repeat itself.

Your plan to clean it up sounds reasonable.
 
One site was going to sell it but they backed out. I inquired and they said they found out it would be illegal in their country. The one's that can sell 4-MeO could sell it, but, I'm thinking, they are -- justifiably -- leery about stocking it for fear of causing mass psychosis in their clientele and inviting the wrath of Johnny Law.
 
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