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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - Part 1

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had my first shot of this today with 18mg. it was a pretty mild experience i was expecting a lot more, but i got a feel for it anyway. better crank up the dosage for next time.

how long do you think this chemical will keep its potency stored in my drawer inside a little sealed bag?
 
^ Orally, I needed at least 40 mg before things got interesting, and 55 mg for what I'd describe as a "full" trip -- a strong +++. These dosages were staggered over 1 and 2 hours, respectively. A single dosage might have been more effective.
 
^ Insufflation was definitely more intense than oral for me. I'd say start with 20 mg. It peaks pretty quickly, in around half an hour I'd say, so you can always redose in ~30 minutes if you're not where you want to be.

4-HO-MiPT is actually a pretty good substance to insufflate. It's remarkably easy on the sinuses, I find, and doesn't have a terrible taste.
 
Is Miprocin getting weaker these days or something? A few of you people are doing doses higher than I remember requiring for a good +++ and experiencing weak or moderate effects.

4-ho-MiPT is a good 25% more potent than 4-aco-MiPT (with somewhat different but overall similar effects). I'd suggest 16mg oral 4-ho-MiPT or 22mg oral 4-aco-MiPT, of the HCl salt, for most people seeking a medium +++ experience.

It works so well orally, and the onset is quick... I never saw a reason to sniff it.
 
yesterday i had a 50mg dose of this and it was very intense. it got me just to that point where i couldnt remember who i was or anything for a while, time meant nothing and i just merged with my bedroom. actually i was really scared for a while but managed to keep my cool somehow by saying to myself everythings ok. i didnt feel like my body was a part of me and when i closed my eyes it was like i was floating in space.

listening to music was amazing and i just couldnt comprehend why each track seemed to last for like an hour and sounded totally different from usual. each track created a new environment and for a while like the music was coming from my body like i was a speaker.

this is definitely a fair bit different to mushrooms in that it gave me less in the way of colour distortion or fractal patterns. it did however cause massive distortion to the perspective of the space of my room and the proprtions of my body to the environment. on mushrooms i tend to get a lot of dark thoughs but this stuff seems a lot more positive. i dont feel its got the same therapeutic effect of mushrooms somehow though maybe for that reason.

for me there is almost no pupil dilation either and very minimal bodily discomfort. afterwards there was nothing to mention in the way of a comedown or anything which is really surprising when i consider how twisted i got. i feel like there must be a catch somewhere.

this was probably better suited for a blog post but anyway i dont care.
 
^ No, not blog material IMO. I'm glad you posted your experience here in this 4-HO-MiPT thread. :)

Hm. Sounds like you got a fair bit deeper than I did at 56 mg. Although, I did titrate the 56 mg dose over ~2 hours, perhaps accounting for a softening of the effect.
 
^very interesting. perhaps there is a very weak batch going around then.
i know the fumarate i have is very dirty looking

with 12 mg + 20 mg [@T+2:00]
similar to low dose mushrooms or acetylpsilocin after the first dose.

after the 2nd dose: very similar mind space still but overall less intense, less "in your face," and very few visuals.
I found instead a unique mental enhancement allowing for clear-headed examination of many inter-related concepts. the conclusions i reached and the thought processes used are still very tangible to me 2 weeks later.
quite the teacher, i should think.
 
Well, yesterday I had my third run with 4-HO-MiPT, this time at 30 mg orally, taken all at once. I was a bit surprised by the intensity. I think it is unlikely I'll ever feel the need to go beyond that dosage.

The trip also reinforced my suspicion that 4-HO-MiPT is a brilliantly heady and introspective psychedelic, brimming with insight and perspective.

I learned some interesting things about my thought process yesterday, for instance. I found that when I wanted to explore a certain concept, or strengthen my understanding of a concept (let's say I'm having a little trouble understanding an abstract idea presented in my Chemistry textbook, for example), I would begin to translate the concept into words, and repeat the words to myself, aloud. In doing this, I realized, the concept would essentially follow an entirely different path through my mind -- first appearing as sound waves, then as auditory impulses, which are then processed by the linguistic center of the brain, as if I were hearing the words in a conversation. Then, finally, the spoken words would be decrypted into an intelligible concept, which would take the place of the starting concept. This would be repeated through multiple iterations, linguistically translating and re-interpreting a concept over and over.

Think of it like this. I'm sure many of you have done this goofy little experiment -- enter some English text into Google Translate, translate it into Russian or Chinese or what have you, then translate it back into English. It is often quite different -- it's riddled with error of course, but that's not important in my analogy. Then, if you take the butchered English-Russian-English, and repeat the double-translation process, to get English-Russian-English-Russian-English, you'll probably get something that looks absolutely nothing like what you started with.

The translation of English -> Russian -> English in Google Translate is somewhat analogous to translating a concept into words, and repeating the words aloud to be decrypted by the linguistic functions of the brain. You start with a concept (you start with English), you translate into words (you get Russian), the words are heard and interpreted back into a concept (you return to English). But, unlike the Google Translate analogy, instead of the concept being butchered and destroyed by numerous iterations of translation and retranslation, it tends to appear in a number of unique but equally valid perspectives. This allows me to gain a much more powerful intellectual grasp of something that was previously only fastened to my cognition by a single, weak thread of perspective.
 
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its weird to me that you found it so introspective because i never found that at all. ususlly on psychedelics, im thinking deeply about all the problems in my life and discovering that im a dick about a lot of things i do but i havent got that from 4-HO-MiPT.

maybe it was just the mood i was in or something maybe next time will be different.
 
Lazyscience said:
its weird to me that you found it so introspective because i never found that at all. ususlly on psychedelics, im thinking deeply about all the problems in my life and discovering that im a dick about a lot of things i do but i havent got that from 4-HO-MiPT.

maybe it was just the mood i was in or something maybe next time will be different.
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I haven't found 4-HO-MiPT to be introspective either. It's wildly amusing and visual but I struggle to found much space for introspection. It has become somewhat generic for me and mainly a recreational pyshcedelic like 4-HO-MET.
 
so i had another 50mg dose and this time i sat in my room in silence and decided to meditate. it was the deepest meditation i have ever had and i managed to explore the far reaches of my mind like never before it was incredible. i totally disconnected with my body and lost my ego for a very long time it was so liberating and now i feel very spiritually fulfilled. i wanted to keep it going so i had another 20mg dose a couple of hours later which was a good idea. afterwards i sat and listened to my favourite music and it sounded so amazing and just painted pictures in my mind.

this time was much more visual but in a weird kind of way. it was like everything had its edges blurred with sort of fractalating rainbows. at one point i had to go to the bathroom and i could barely see what i was doing purely because everything was just covered in tiny rainbows i couldnt even tell if my piss was going in the toilet it was that bad. when i turned on the tap i just expected a rainbow to come out.
 
wow, 70 mg? Thats seems like a powerful trip, although i might have to try this eventually. I'm a hard head so it takes me atleast 30 mg to feel anything
 
The thing about Ketamine and other drugs being amazing i must say i found k to be very nasty mixed with LSD.

On a related 4-ho-mipt note i will be dosing ASAP around 30mg.
 
My monkeys uncle is about to snort aprox. 10mg of 4-ho-mipt and was wondering if the tramadol he took about 16 hours ago would put him at risk of seratonin syndrome?
 
^Where did your monkey manage to acquire RC tryptamines and pharmaceutical opioids? I wouldn't suggest your monkey take anything, since a monkey can't do the proper research to find out if it's okay.

If you are talking about yourself however, that's a different matter ;)

I doubt you are at any risk for serotonin syndrome from 4-HO-MiPT. Although it's not certain, it is highly improbable that any of the 4-sub tryptamines have any serotonin releasing or reuptake inhibition properties. Thus is should be safe to combine with tramadol. Not to mention that it has almost certainly been used many times by people taking SSRIs. I think you are safe!
 
Sir_Kit said:
My monkeys uncle is about to snort aprox. 10mg of 4-ho-mipt and was wondering if the tramadol he took about 16 hours ago would put him at risk of seratonin syndrome?
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The use of SWIM or similar third person talk like referring to your animals etc to avoid self-incrimination is not allowed here at Bluelight. Firstly it doesn't protect you from anything, and secondly it makes your posts harder to read.

Most tryptamines can be safely mixed with serotonergic drugs so I don't think you should run into any problems, I've heard of people having some strange side-effects during trips after tramadol though, not necessarily dangerous, but not quite pleasant - so personally I'd just wait a day or two, if you run into this situation in future :)
 
I had a really bad reaction to this drug at 16mg. It came on in under an hour, was totally overwhelming in terms of intensity, but underwhelming in terms of consciousness expansion and insight. It elevated my heart rate and blood pressure to a dangerous level for a couple of hours. I'm glad that I didn't try to take more.
 
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