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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 3 - 4-HO-ME's for life

Hi everybody!

I’ve done 3 experiments with 4-HO-MET so far, 10mg, 20mg, 30mg, and I’m beginning to make my own map of this substance. Anyway, seems like I’m not very reactive to the substance.

With 4-HO-MET, at 10/20mg dosages, I can’t feel barely any effects or headspace. I’d say + at 10mg and mild ++ at 20mg. I feel slightly different, can feel my senses affected, but no crazy visuals or headspace, even in the supposed peak. Then you vape some weed and…boom, you are getting somewhere else. +++ very nice trip, with visual, colors, euphoria and introspection and mind tripping, but manageable.

Last time I tried 30mg 4-HO-MET. Solid ++ experience, saw visuals and some headspace, but nothing impressive, little headspace. Once peaking, I vaped 0.50g of weed and came to a +++ GREAT experience, with very nice insights, introspections and feelings, a total trip I guess, but still “manageable”. I’ve fallen in love with 4-HO-MET, for sure will stash some for future experiences.

I’m gonna try 40mg next time. Is supposed to be a “heavy dose”, but since 30mg wasn’t overwhelming at all, even using weed to amplify the psychedelic effects, guess is a right dosage for me. I’d like to see what this substance can take me without any weed. Anyone using with similar dosages or experiences?
 
Well, I tried 20mg of 4-HO-MiPT today.

The effects were a little underwhelming comparing to same dosage of 4-HO-MET one week ago. It felt like 10g of 4-HO-MET, maybe less.

Guess I’m gonna need to try at least 30mg of 4-HO-MiPT to see its potential. Feels like 4-HO-MET, but I guess it is a little more weak and barely visuals. About headspace…I guess the dosage was too little to talk about it.

Anyway, next experiment, in a week, will be 40mg of 4-HO-MET. I’m really liking it and 30mg were a very promising dose, guess I can explore 40mg with no problem, I’ll let you know.
 
I tried 40mg of 4-HO-MET today.

At this dosage, I can have a +++ experience, but nothing overwhelming. I can feel the body load, experiment some OEV’s if I stare at some patterns, and feel some euphoria, definitely can feel the tryptamine effect at this dose.

Since the effects weren’t that impressive, I went to the beach I tried to push the experience with cannabis, as I’ve done before in my other 4-HO-MET experiments.

Vaped 0.25g of cannabis around 1 hour and 30 minutes after the intake, when the come up was over and I felt I was stable peaking.

10 minutes after that…..Holly Molly!

This time I could feel the effects really strong. Total 3D OEV’s (no CEV’s), for the first time in my life, the music I was hearing was affected by time hallucination. I was listening to some downtempo chill electronic and, suddenly, the music became reeeeeeally slow, same pitch, but really slow, and then, it accelerated the speed little by little, like if times was stretching from slow to fast and then slow again. When I noticed that, I tried to keep the beat with my foot, and then the music came to normal. Also, some pitch changes.

At that time, looking at the shoreline , the waves seemed to go backguards, and the water looked like shinning gold and rainbow reflections.

I tried to meditate and dive inside my mind with my eyes closed, finding very insightful thoughts. I could feel my mind was going at his own, and totally see how my ego and my thoughts construct myself, as well as some heuristics that are deeply rooted in my mind. There was some more people on the beach and, though no anxiety at all, they disturbed my focus on diving in my mind when my eyes were open, but the views and the colors of the beach were so beautiful I couldn’t help but look. Had an amazing walk along the shoreline, and felt really great.

It was a little hard to coordinate movements, but I was able to take my phone, change music, etc. At sometimes I felt as if I didn’t know who I am, but with little effort I was back to myself. But I guess that, at that time, I couldn’t interact correctly with other people, that’s for sure.

I guess I’m getting where I want to go, exploring new boundaries. Anyway, the 40mg of 4-HO-MET were totally manageable, and I want to know if 50mg will take me to the same place than the 40mg+the weed did.

Anyway, one of the realizations that came to my mind is that cannabis help me to go further the tryptamine dose and the trip like a trustable and friendly guide that I know really well, like an old friend that takes you through the right path.

I guess next experiment is gonna be 50mg of 4-HO-MET, and probably stay at home in total dark with music. If I feel the headspace is not powerful enough, I’ll push the experience again with cannabis.

I want to navigate through my mind, which is my ultimately goal here. If I do 50mg, I’ll probably shouldn’t go to the beach. Too much people and distractions, it could create some discomfort when peaking and I guess I’m not much in control of my mind that much at these dosages, especially if I push with some vaped cannabis.

Or maybe I could try 40mg of 4-HO-MiPT and see if this substance at that dose (did 20mg and was underwhelming) can take me further than 4-HO-MET does…or at least I’ll know the differences between substances.

After that, I guess it will be LSD for the first time.
 
Seems like most people agree that 4-ho tryptamines kick in faster than their 4-aco counterparts and that 4-ho-met has a pretty rapid onset as tryptamines go.

I've never tried 4-aco-met but I've taken 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met a dozen or so times each and the 4-ho-met always takes twice as long to kick in for some reason.

I took 30mg last weekend and the visuals didn't even start building until an hour later. 4-aco-dmt on the other hand has me peaking within 30 minutes.

Another wrinkle I always notice with 4-ho-met distinct from psilocetin and psilocybin is how much I need to piss on the comedown, but not so much during the trip itself. From hour 5-8 I was needing to go every 20 minutes. Makes me wonder if some of this ones metabolites might be a bit harsher on the kidneys, but it could just be me.
 
Hi everybody!

In my path as a psychonaut, I’ve found 4-HO-MET the most interesting substance so much, at least for me.

To be honest, 4-HO-MET alone did not do much for me. I tried 10mg (didn’t feel anything at all), 20mg (some light buzzing, but not impressive at all), 30mg (started to feel some psychedelics effects) and finally 40mg (OEV’s and an interesting little headspace).

30mg/40mg are supposed to be decent doses, and some people have tripped ball with these dosages, but that is not my case.

The good thing is that, since my two first experiments were really underwhelming, I vaped some weed trying to enhance the experience and then the trip become AMAZING. My best psychedelics experiences comes from the 4-HO-MET+cannabis combo, though my initial idea was not mixing any substances.

At 20mg and 0.5gr of cannabis I had a really wonderful experience. Same thing with 30mg+0.5gr cannabis and 40mg+0.25 cannabis. I got into a mind void where reality was gone and had a great mind trip with lots of realizations about ego, self, and how the mind works.

I’d like to know if any of you are experienced users of 4-HO-MET, and have mixed it with cannabis as a booster.

I’d like to try a 4-HO-MET dosage that is high enough to get me where 30mg+0.5gr of cannabis took me, and see the potentially of 4-HO-MET by itself, leaving cannabis out of the equation.

I don’t know if 4-HO-MET has enough magic to take me where I was taken when mixing it with cannabis, but I’m suspecting it is my ideal substance to take me where I want to go. Headspace, introspecting, disconnecting from reality, getting deep in my mind, into that void of cosmic space where only the mind exists.

Any 4-HO-MET lovers that have tried high doses or mixed it with cannabis?

I’d love to hear your 2 cents here.
 
Medevilx said:
Hi everybody!

In my path as a psychonaut, I’ve found 4-HO-MET the most interesting substance so much, at least for me.

To be honest, 4-HO-MET alone did not do much for me. I tried 10mg (didn’t feel anything at all), 20mg (some light buzzing, but not impressive at all), 30mg (started to feel some psychedelics effects) and finally 40mg (OEV’s and an interesting little headspace).

30mg/40mg are supposed to be decent doses, and some people have tripped ball with these dosages, but that is not my case.

The good thing is that, since my two first experiments were really underwhelming, I vaped some weed trying to enhance the experience and then the trip become AMAZING. My best psychedelics experiences comes from the 4-HO-MET+cannabis combo, though my initial idea was not mixing any substances.

At 20mg and 0.5gr of cannabis I had a really wonderful experience. Same thing with 30mg+0.5gr cannabis and 40mg+0.25 cannabis. I got into a mind void where reality was gone and had a great mind trip with lots of realizations about ego, self, and how the mind works.

I’d like to know if any of you are experienced users of 4-HO-MET, and have mixed it with cannabis as a booster.

I’d like to try a 4-HO-MET dosage that is high enough to get me where 30mg+0.5gr of cannabis took me, and see the potentially of 4-HO-MET by itself, leaving cannabis out of the equation.

I don’t know if 4-HO-MET has enough magic to take me where I was taken when mixing it with cannabis, but I’m suspecting it is my ideal substance to take me where I want to go. Headspace, introspecting, disconnecting from reality, getting deep in my mind, into that void of cosmic space where only the mind exists.

Any 4-HO-MET lovers that have tried high doses or mixed it with cannabis?

I’d love to hear your 2 cents here.
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Altnoids (pure from a lab, not gas station drugs) can push psychedelics much further than ∆9 in my experience, and also adding things like nitrous, vaporized DMT, and for some reason Soma (carisoprodol, the painkiller) all amplify psychedelics. I've used psilacetin and miprocin, but I'm waiting on a gram of metocin, and still need to try some ethocin I've been sitting on for a while.

I intend on blind testing some of the homies who are down for labrat doses with gel caps of all four of these mixed with moclobemide, and having an audio recorder running during the trip like you'd see in an old school talk therapy session. I'm currently working on a small oral questionnaire to hit them with at certain points in the trip, too. I'm considering also doing this with soma to see if it exhibits similar amplification as it does when mixed with LSD or 2C-B.
 
I've got a gram of this coming in, and a really long list of things I could possibly mix it with. Has anybody experimented with combining metocin with other drugs?

The list of things I could throw in with it at the moment is: DOM, DOB, 2C-B, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH, LSD, DMT, Allylescaline, Mescaline, DXM, Ketamine, 2F-O-PCE, 3-HO-PCP, Miprocin, 5-MeO-DiPT, DiPT, DPT, MDPM, 4F-MPH, Psilacetin, Harmaline, Salvia, Nitrous, NEP and 6-APB.

I usually mix miprocin with something longer lasting that I dose at the same time so that's there's a huge initial peak that levels down into a smaller one, miprocin and DOM or miprocin and LSD are truly banging combos. Since metocin is said not to have much headspace, maybe something with a heavier headspace like allylescaline or DXM would fit? I'm curious to hear about what you guys have crossed with it and how it went.
 
@Esperighanto

I personally haven't mixed 4-HO-MET with anything, but I have a feeling it could really enhance trips with other substances.

On its own, even at 50 mg doses, 4-HO-MET wasn't that interesting to me—it felt underwhelming and didn't really go anywhere. However, the visuals were nice, and I bet it could enhance the visuals of other psychedelics.

I still have some 4-HO-MET left, and I plan to use it only for combinations.
 
Ismene2 said:
What country you in Medevilx? In the UK 4-aco and 4-HO are very rare. (good quality is even rarer)
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Europe, here is easy to get high quality “legal” 4-aco-met and 4-ho-met.

I’d love to get 4-ACO-DMT (psylocibin) or 4-HO-DMT (psilocin) so I don’t have to deal with mushrooms (I still have to learn how to grow them, and for me is easier buying the RC substance) but you can’t find 4-HO-DMT or 4-ACO-DMT in Europe, at least legally, and I don’t want to deal with the dark web markets and worry about what am I getting from an unknown source.
 
Medevilx said:
Europe, here is easy to get high quality “legal” 4-aco-met and 4-ho-met.

I’d love to get 4-ACO-DMT (psylocibin) or 4-HO-DMT (psilocin) so I don’t have to deal with mushrooms (I still have to learn how to grow them, and for me is easier buying the RC substance) but you can’t find 4-HO-DMT or 4-ACO-DMT in Europe, at least legally, and I don’t want to deal with the dark web markets and worry about what am I getting from an unknown source.
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Yeah I had the same problem growing mushrooms till I tried buying those "all in one" mushroom bags - they worked. You can use moclobemide with shrooms to get to DMT land but I do love any drug with a 4 at the front!
 
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@Esperighanto

I personally haven't mixed 4-HO-MET with anything, but I have a feeling it could really enhance trips with other substances.

On its own, even at 50 mg doses, 4-HO-MET wasn't that interesting to me—it felt underwhelming and didn't really go anywhere. However, the visuals were nice, and I bet it could enhance the visuals of other psychedelics.

I still have some 4-HO-MET left, and I plan to use it only for combinations.
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I haven't taken 4-ho-met at the exact same as any other psychedelic but I have taken it several hours after LSD, mescaline and 2cb on separate occasions. I regretted it each time. I never felt any synergy the 4-ho-met just killed the headspace added visuals and a weird bodyload.

I have a love/hate relationship with 4-ho-met. It's very stimulating and pro-social and the open eye visuals can be fun -if a shallow imitation of the visual beauty offered by 4-aco-dmt or psilocin- but the closed eye visuals can be downright monstrous and I find it a very boring drug for taking at home alone.

Great for concerts clubs nights out etc and it might be good combined with other psyches at the same time. I recently took 2cb and 4-aco-dmt together and it was great.
 
Medevilx said:
I don’t know if 4-HO-MET has enough magic to take me where I was taken when mixing it with cannabis, but I’m suspecting it is my ideal substance to take me where I want to go. Headspace, introspecting, disconnecting from reality, getting deep in my mind, into that void of cosmic space where only the mind exists.
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Never tried 4-ho-met, but it's usually mentioned as a "candy" psychedelic. Nice visuals but little headspace or introspection.

4-ho-mipt has given me some solid trips, but it took, may not be the most introspective psychedelic.

Did you ever get around to trying lsd? :)

FYI, 4-aco-dmt is psilacetin, not psilocybin (which is 4-PO-DMT, with a phosphate group)
 
porkstock said:
Never tried 4-ho-met, but it's usually mentioned as a "candy" psychedelic. Nice visuals but little headspace or introspection.

4-ho-mipt has given me some solid trips, but it took, may not be the most introspective psychedelic.

Did you ever get around to trying lsd? :)

FYI, 4-aco-dmt is psilacetin, not psilocybin (which is 4-PO-DMT, with a phosphate group)
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Yes, I tried LSD recently, and I think is more what I was looking for. Tried 150mcg so far (1V-LSD, so like 120mcg regular LSD) and I’m continue researching trying 225mcg in a couple of weeks.

Anyway, the 20/30mg 4-HO-MET + around 0.5gr of cannabis has given me the best experiences so far.
 
Over 10 years of experience with 4-HO-MET. Typically once a year 25-30mg, on a sunny summer day at the ocean. In addition to a beach communion, my better half might take it once more a year at dancing party. Unlike me, she doesn't mind the darkness despite the load of sweat or perfume.
To the point - I had this premeasured capsule, which ended up "properly stored in a near vacuum" for a about a year. She took it and had a really bad trip as if it were 4-AcO-DMT - deep and disturbing where she could not move her legs and couldn't make herself (she IS a strong-willed woman) get out of the bed for two hours. Time and again I went over what we ate. No racetams or aged cheese, hiding MAOI inhibitors. Nothing traumatic happened before. She didn't take any other medicine aside from ibuprofen. She wasn't going through a PMS or having a period. How on Earth?!!!
Stored without proper desiccants, I had 4-AcO-DMT turning blackish gooey without loosing its potency or changing its subjective effects. But enclosed in a capsule, this 4-HO-MET powder seemed to be the same pale beige as when I measured it a year ago. I know this is not quite as accurate a purity assessment as performing mass spectrometry, but still.
Any ideas what this could have been due to?
 
Not trying to necro a thread, but does anybody here know what dose range metocin exhibits a more significant headspace at, if any? Going up to 45-50mg I found the headspace more shallow than even 2C-B, this psychedelic feels like eyecandy with a little bit of mushroom body load and no meaningful alteration to thought. I've mixed it with 5-MeO-DiPT, allylescaline, DOB, 3-HO-PCP, MDPM, nitrous, NEP, and 2C-B. I'll briefly summarize how those went:

Disclaimer: All of these trips involve bupropion (300mg daily), THC-O tincture (100-400mg daily), kratom (4-8g daily) & caffeine (200-600mg daily).
  • 5-MeO-DiPT: This mix actually excelled as far as body feel goes, and the mixture of the bodily feelings and metocin's visuals led to both visual and tactile effects increasing to a very pleasant point. The metocin was 20mg or so (scale is always off by 3-5mg), and I took some hits out of a box mod that's loaded with 5-MeO-DiPT as well. This combination was alright, the tactile feelings were so much better than any 4-substituted tryptamine or 5-MeO-DiPT on its own. The only things that have exceeded that feeling are the mixtures of MD(M)A with miprocin, LSD or 2C-B, or high doses (1mg+) of very high quality LSD. Never before in my life have I felt every single fiber of the clothes I'm wearing, I had to walk a certain way to not become accidentally aroused from the feeling of just my clothing on my body. This is a combination I'd probably never use in public, but it made sex as amazing as the best drugs/drug combinations I've ever tried. The headspace was insanely disappointing until a couple hours into the trip, where the ecstatic nature of my thoughts left me depression free for something like 1-2 full weeks afterwards.
  • Allylescaline: This was easily the best mix I've done with metocin. Allylescaline seems to carry anything I mix it with, and boost the headspace into this deep space of optimistic, euphoric psychedelia. Visuals became these twisting hexagonal refractions that looked like a kaleidoscope with astigmatism, and the tactile feelings were these slow waves of pressure moving over my skin, delivering euphoria I tend to only feel on high doses of MDMA wherever the feeling of movement was at any given moment. Both drugs were insufflated in this trial, and both were 20-25mg. This is the only trip where the feelings of the metocin were extended dramatically, lasting the ~10-12 hour range that allylescaline does, as if the allylescaline had "absorbed" the character of metocin in some way.
  • DOB: 2.25mg of DOB on smiley face blotter and a small eyeballed bump of metocin that couldn't have exceeded 15mg were coadministered, and the trip was one of the most interesting of these trials. I love the combination of 2C-B (or miprocin) and DOM, as the 2C-B (or miprocin) leads the beginning of the trip and DOM carries it on with a different flavor for another 12-20 hours depending on dose and RoA. 2C-B and DOB feel so similar that I can't tell it's not just wicked long lasting 2C-B, but DOB and metocin had the same "one first, the second last" effect that DOM and miprocin has. Metocin's character benefited a lot from the stimulation of a DOB come-up in my opinion as metocin makes me just want to sleep the boring ass trip away when it's on its own. By time the DOB came up, there was an hour or two of metocin coexisting with DOB, and it felt like the visuals and tactile feelings were amplifying one another intensely, I would certainly repeat this combination if I wanted to trip all day and have many rollercoaster-y phases to the trip.
  • 3-HO-PCP: Both drugs were insufflated, the 3-HO-PCP was eyeballed (do not do this) and I'd estimate it was between 10 and 20mg total. Both this and ~15mg of metocin were insufflated back to back. 3-HO-PCP made metocin feel like ketamine and mushrooms together but with a much "sharper" feeling, sharper in the way that LSD feels sharper than psilocin if that makes any sense. Visuals were enhanced to a point that reminded me of 3-MeO-PCP smoked in large amounts, with my environment growing tentacle-like tendrils that whipped around, writhing as if the universe itself was springing into some form of cephalapod-like life form. With my eyes closed, I could've sworn that opening them would land me in some amusing Lovecraftian world, but the headspace was never negative. It reminded me more of watching a neat horror film. I watched The Fog (1980) for the fourth (fifth?) time while on 3-HO-PCP during this trip and it was fantastic.
  • MDPM: MDPM, despite the methylenedioxy moiety on the compound, exhibits virtually zero empathogenic effects. I suspect that the methylenedioxy is a position away from where it should be, similar to the differences Shulgin found in MDA (3,4-MDA) and ortho-MDA (2,3-MDA). This mixture had a much more focused and less viscerally stimulated feeling than mixing metocin with NEP, which turned me into a classically cathinone-themed bath salt goblin. MDPM allowed me to focus intensely on the character of metocin in a way I'd had trouble doing in the past, and the bodyfeel turned from normal mushroom-ish feelings into the feeling of wearing a warm bathrobe under a soft comforter on a chilly Maine day. MDPM always puts me in what I call a place of "stimulated zen", where I am at an incredibly point of peace but mentally and physically, kind of like xanax and propranolol in combination with ritalin, if I had to explain it via comparisons. This mix led to me going on a research bender and writing up a scheme for a bunch of bonsais that irrigate via a waterfall that winds down a spiral stairset. Was it useful? Absolutely not. Was it fun? Absolutely so. For this trial, both drugs were insufflated.
  • Nitrous: Metocin and nitrous led to auditory effects I'd argue are on par with N,N-DiPT. The doses of both were pretty low (25mg of each, I suspect my batch of metocin is weaker than it should be) and the effects for both drugs lasted an oddly short time, maybe 4-5 hours whereas the other trials have taken more like 7-8 on average. This combo is one of the only N,N-DiPT mixes I've tried that resulted in both auditory and visual hallucinations which moved in tandem. Watching my popcorn ceiling warp and shift, as the dents would converge into the same space I'd hear what sounded like the harmonic series increasing in amplitude for some reason, it was fascinating to see a synesthetic synchronicity between DiPT's unique auditory hallucinations and what looked a lot like miprocin visuals. Metocin was insufflated for this trial.
  • NEP: NEP and metocin were actually one of the better combos I tried. NEP gave metocin some character and cognitive effects, and it felt similar to mixing NEP with other psychedelics. The visuals go from symmetrical and kaleidoscopic to looking like a shattered mosaic of iridescent crystalline shards. The bodyfeel was amazing, and sex was reminiscent of mixing mushrooms and NEP which is quite nice. Both drugs were insufflated in this case.
  • 2C-B: This led to a very shallow experience, and it felt like watching two empty headed dumbasses have a conversation in a way. 2C-B seemingly removed any body load though. Once the doses of both were pushed really high (2C-B approached 65mg, metocin ~45mg) the visuals became absolutely stunning, the body load went away, but there was still a severely disappointing amount of cognitive effects. I'd rather no visuals and no bodyfeel over a lack of cognitive effects. Both drugs were orally administered for this trial.
In almost every trial, I could've replaced this with either mushrooms, 2C-B, or a small dose of both and it would've likely been completely indistinguishable. Overall these were quite depressing compared to miprocin, psilacetin and even ethocin (I already thought ethocin was a let-down). I'm currently leaving a line of it out on my dedicated insufflation tray for a week or so to test its atmospheric degradation at room temp & humidity.
 
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