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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 2

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Lots of thought loops between my friend and I. We spent probably a good 30 minutes trying to venture outside for a walk. Something like:
-We get up
-Look for the things we need to go outside: shoes, lighter, cigarettes, etc.
-Get distracted by laughter spawned by random conversation
-Laugh
-"what were we just doing?"
-sit down
-some time passes, more laughter
-look outside
-"hey man let's go outside!"
-notice we have some of the things needed to go outside
-look for the rest
-lose what we already had
-more laughter
-more forgetting
-rinse and repeat


But god damn was it amazing when we finally got outside.
 
hey everyone i recently acquired a gram of 4 ho met fumerate and was wondering about tolerance issues mainly how long to lay off between trips? is it like with other drugs like doc or 25X Nbomes of two weeks inbettween? im a little more versed in phethythylamines tollerance than with tryptamines. appreciate the feedback. Much love
 
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hey everyone i recently acquired a gram of 4 ho met fumerate and was wondering about tolerance issues mainly how long to lay off between trips? is it like with other drugs like doc or 25X Nbomes of two weeks inbettween? im a little more versed in phethythylamines tollerance than with tryptamines. appreciate the feedback. Much love
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From what I've read, and from personal experience, tolerance doesn't seem to stick around very long. It's a very short acting psych and one would presume that any tolerance is completely gone by the next day.
 
Not to cause confusion, but I thought tolerance for psychs was, as a rule, 1 week until the tolerance goes down. For all substances
 
Yes that's true, except maybe smoked DMT. You should wait at least a week between trips, but even if you trip every week for long enough the magic will fade. Actually every single week it will get a little less strong. Part of psychedelic tolerance is behavioral tolerance too, that is, you become used to the effects so they don't seem as powerful and different anymore, even if your physical tolerance is all gone.

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From what I've read, and from personal experience, tolerance doesn't seem to stick around very long. It's a very short acting psych and one would presume that any tolerance is completely gone by the next day.
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Not true at all, the next day you will have nearly as much tolerance as you did right after you took it (right after it took full effect). It will take about a week to go back down.
 
hey guys I've got some really good met here. and a whole bunch of people have asked me the same question the batch that I got why is it smell like fish food. I do not believe that its tainte at all. just a weird question anyway if anybody knows why Ted would be great peace everybody
 
As for tolerance 5-7 days is more than enough to be able to have a sufficient trip however I do notice that a two week break usually makes for a more deep experience. And as for your fish food batch I hink it's normal as there were quite a few batches in the past that had that smell...mine however hos no smell and I can assure you it is of extremely high quality from one if the most respected vendors, likely the same batch that Xorky has.
 
So i had my first go with this substance last week. Very potent @ 20mg good visuals both OEV and CEV. Bouncy & floating patterns everywhere.
Do i have a chance for pronounced 3D visuals and stuff if i go higher ?
Also, i didn't get any real euphoria unlike others who are reporting strong euphoria. Is it common to feel euhporia from this substance? I did have a little urge to laugh at times, i guess that's up to the impressive visuals..
 
I've noticed that not only do the more pleasant effects decrease with repeated tripping, but also that side effects & body load become more apparent as the trips become less powerful. Adding more material often simply brings greater side-effects still without increasing effects. All this deters regular use!
 
Anybody have any breahing issues of Metocin? I went through about 60mgs rectal last night (Staggered into 3 doses + I was on 2mgs etizolam so not as high as it sounds) and I noticed my breathing was very labored and shallow. At times not breathing felt comfortable. This was definately not due to anxiety as I was on etizolam and was very sedated the whole time... the trip was only maybe a ++ or so. I know HoffmanBlotter had the same complaint but I haven't heard of any others. It wasn't scary or anything but it seemed very strange. At times the resp depression was pretty serious.

Ps. I felt these issues before consuming the last dose so maybe 40mgs or so is when this started to occur. Also, etizolam has never caused me any issues whatsoever before.
 
^ Depending on tolerance, 15-20mgs should be more than enough to see what Metocin has to offer though it's so gentle I tend to push this one a bit.

HofmannBlotter said:
Yes man, I had breathing issues aswell (during the come down mainly) aswell with nervousness and paranoia... I still haven't taken 4-Ho-MET since but I will give a try when it will be the time :)
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See, I never had any anxiety or paranoiaon Metocin besides a rough come-up occasionally (not during this trip though) but my breathing was labored to the point that it felt like I had taken an opiate/benzo combo. When you say breathing issues what do you mean? Was it hard to breathe or were you just focusing on your breathing due to panic? I notice breathing becomes a little difficult when I'm having a panic attack, however this was definately not the case with me. I've also eaten close to 750mgs of Metocin throughout my tripping "carreer" and this is the first time I noticed this.
 
I've experiend with Colour (I like this name) twice (15 mg and 17,5 mg) and so far I really like it.

No nausea, no anxiety, I really enjoy the powerful and euphoric come-up, I wish it would last longer. Visually, it's beautiful. Got nice OEV's (trails, sky changing colour, clouds moving independently, transparent crystals in the sky that make it look like a kaleidoscope, morphing face if I look at myself in the mirror in low-light). If I look long enough at the sky, or shadows on the ceiling, everything blends into an uniform colour. I see a lot of symmetry (clouds seem symmetric) and fractals (tiny ones, that look like they're aspirating the clouds) (yeah I like looking at the sky lol), whereas my girlfriend sees a lot of faces / characters in trees / clouds / the sand, and words written in the clouds. Mind is very clear, thoughts are unusual, deeper. Socially it's like if I had to learn from scratch how to interact with people. I laugh my arse off a lot. Nearly no CEV's, only very faint kaleidoscopes, pretty boring.

Last time I developed a headache which lasted for 2 days... I get quite a lot of tension in the shoulders and back of the neck on the come-up (my girlfriend too), maybe that's the reason why. Also maybe I stayed too long in the sun.

About the smell: it smells like concentrated bad breath.

Gonna make a TR when I have the time. :-)
 
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Are there any special precautions one should take when storing this compound (fumurate)? So, would storing it simply in it's plastic baggie, inside a plastic pill bottle, in a dark and room temperature place work well?
 
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17-18mg of this caused an extremely overwhelming, runaway reaction. Felt pretty much like blasting off into DMT land at times except no entity contact of any sort was noticed. Just in some sort of digital world which felt very confusing. Morphing, fractals, melting. My whole world was shifting from left to right and up and down. Felt vertigo at times. A good way to describe the way it felt is a bug splattering on a windshield with its colorful guts everywhere. Extreme stimulation which was the cause of me feeling like biting down on my tongue a couple times or a siezure type of feel at times. scared the shit outta me. Too much of everything. Never got the jaw tightened, tongue biting effects before. Can someone tell me what the cause of this could of been. A good time except for the physical disaster element to it.
 
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Very interesting, doesn't sound anything like any reports I've read of the effects from 4-HO-MET...did you source it from someone else or from a vendor (obviously don't give details, lol)? I'm wondering if you got the right thing at all...does anyone know how 4-HO-MET will react to marquis etc?
 
Well past experience with this batch 3 other times resulted in no negative effects. It was just at this dose, the highest ive taken, that extreme stimulation, anxienty, jaw clenching was produced. Other reports of this batch are on par with what it should be aswell as my previous experiences with it. This time it was just too too much tension, stimulation.
 
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