I finally sampled some 4-aco-det yesterday. I took it 1 1/2 hours after a light MXE experience (15 mgs.) in order to lessen any body load that might be present with the aco-det. Whatever it did worked quite well.
Was going to dose 10 mgs. (orally) and I'm sure glad I backed it off to 8 mgs. in the end. I am extremely sensitive to all psychedelics and this 8 mgs. was a roaring +++ intensity.
the come-up was virtually identical to mushrooms: nothing for 30 minutes and then a fast ramp up between the 45-60 minute point. no anxiety, no nausea, excessively euphoric. the energy feels slightly higher pitched than mushrooms. At first I was calling it "electric mushrooms" but, looking back, that's not entirely accurate. it's nowhere near as electric as Acid, it just has a higher pitched buzzing that is slightly stimulating...though not unpleasantly or forcefully so. keep in mind the MXE may have cancelled excessive stimulation in a positive way. along with the stimulation, simultaneously, there was a deep relaxation....a drunken intoxication, less so than mushrooms, but with absolutely no confusion or lack of clarity.
I wasn't expecting an intense trip, nor a visual one, but somehow ended up with both. The visuals were typical mushroom style, though with perhaps less color. I also tripped in the day, so that may have masked any potential for colors. I was looking at my fan, when i first came up, and it was doing the usual bending/warping game. I thought, "okay, we're not that deep here...more the shallow end." within a minute of staring at the fan I started seeing spiraling manadala patterns weaving through the air between my eyes and the fan. "okay, i guess we're getting in deep water...."
the intensity was ramping and ramping until it quite literally blew me away. it didn't shatter my ego with the usual tools: aggressive de-realization, forced out-of-body, spinning thoughts, etc. Rather, I voluntarily sacrificed my ego on the alter of absolute Wonder and Marvel. the trip was difficult to navigate in the first 15 minutes of peaking due to the sheer intensity of it. my body felt almost identical to mushrooms/DMT in that gooey, alien, clammy, twitchy, overly-self-conscious kind of way. it wasn't as distracting or potentially anxiety-producing as with mushrooms though, and the worst part only lasted through the first 15 minutes of the peak.
in a daze, i wandered into the kitchen, desperately grasping for some kind of ego-gratification. i grabbed a ripe nectarine out of the fridge and stared at it like it was the Holy Grail. suddenly i felt like a squirrel, and greedily hid the nectarine while running to my room. Pulling out my "big secret" (the nectarine) i cautiously took a bite. All at once, in a single moment, i was thrust into the most jaw-droppingly euphoric state of Absent-Mindedness. I raised the nectarine above my head and shouted with joy. A gift from the Divine, created solely for my ecstatic enjoyment.
I starting running around my house in a controlled state of manic exuberance. I never felt out of control (like with acid or mushrooms) and i never felt like i couldn't voice an issue if need be. I simply became a different entity, an elf creature, and hid out in my upstairs loft in the middle of the forest. with shouts and moans of joy i ate nectarine and after nectarine, one at a time, crawling downstairs on all fours, sneaking past my lady (like she was a security guard and i was a thief), stealing nectarines, and running back upstairs, trying not to "get caught." in reality she didn't care what i was doing, but it sounded like a BLAST to be like an under-cover squirrel.
in my loft, between bites, the carpet would turn into vivid landscapes and sway back and forth across the floor. i started moving my spine side to side in unison. the euphoria soared as the visions synched to my being, and in an ecstatic eternity, i beheld the dance of creation (vision) merge with the creator (mind). all melted.....no one left. bliss unrelenting.
i only peaked for an hour and a half. it was the shortest psychedelic experience i've ever had with an oral dose. i wasn't sad to see it go, though it was without a doubt a true mystical ++++ experience, in my book. it was every bit as divine as mushrooms, and no less cosmic. yes, mushrooms are deeper, i think, but i don't mean that in a negative way towards 4-aco-det. Mushrooms are like yellow nectarines, sweet and sour....heaven and hell....light and shadows playing on each other to produce a sensation of depth that isn't easy to mimic. this 4-aco-det was more like a white nectarine: just sweet, no sour. there's a soft sweetness to 4-aco-det that's almost MDMA-like in it's tenderness. like a feminine mushroom spirit. it's seems much more forgiving and gentle than it's older brothers. but to call females "less powerful" than males is misleading. for some people, the strength of Divine Grace and Love heals deeper wounds than any nuclear blast could. sometimes after mushrooms i feel shaken and scattered. for the last 24 hours, i've felt nothing but gratitude and awe at such a "gentle" and healing experience, all things considered. (as if psychedelics could be called "gentle"!)
flavor-wise, this is the closest thing to mushrooms i've ever tried...even more than 4-aco-met (Which felt more like a cross between acid and mushrooms). and i've never tried 4-aco-dmt, so that may be closer. it literally felt identical in its backbone experience, the other changes were slight, and i had to dig to find words that separated them. i find that 4-aco-dipt only feels distantly like mushrooms, so it's not like i'm just comparing 4-sub's to shrooms across the board. i would choose the 4-aco-det experience 10 out of 10 times over mushrooms. it was smoother and gentler than mushrooms. the body load wasn't as pronounced. the euphoria was equivalent, but without the potential for anxiety. (in me anyway...). there were times when a thought or sensation felt ominous, but it never lingered. these are "positive push shrooms" at their finest.
A new ally has been summoned....and what golden wings she soars on...