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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

Solipsis said:
MSK has good points, and it's not really possible to purify unknown impurities in a targeted way... but if you do, apply a solvent that 3-MeO is insoluble in and just hope that your impurities do dissolve. For the HCl salt of course that would be ether, hexane and perhaps acetone if very cold works as well (assuming properties are similar to those of PCP). I suppose also napththa instead of plain hexane.

More sophisticated ways of purification require knowing the properties by which you separate. But there's always recrystallization of course.

But as argued, you might be basing the idea of impurity on a false premise.
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Thanks Solipsis, MSK and the others.
The fact is that I noticed a big diference after washing that batch of 3-Meo-PCP (though I lost 80% of it becuse of its unexpected solubility in acetone). It is not exactly about duration, but more about avoiding over-stimulation and excess of mania, so I could sleep better the same day. But I really don't know what the impurities were. The idea of washing it came after some discussion in a spanish forum about the possible impurities in the synthesis of this kind of substances. Someone pointed that a common impurity was active in micro-grams and it was responsible of excess stimulation and mania. If I remember well, it was speculated to have similar structure to MDVP and similar substances.

I also did the acetone wash with O-PCE with even more awesome results, converting the substance from shit to a jewel, and without much loss of material this time.
Finally, I also did an acetone wash with DCK, but in this case I didn't notice any diference.

So my renewed interest in this issue is beacuse I am waiting for a new order of 3-Meo-PCP and maybe I decide to wash it again. In this case maybe I will follow Solipsis advice of using cold acetone... at least with part of it to minimize the loss.
 
Don't throw away the acetone if you do that (also make sure you work quickly as the acetone warms up fast), in case a lot still does dissolve - then you can just recover it.

It would be much appreciated by a lot of people here if you had the info of the spanish forum, I'm sure... because there is interest in the manic side effect (which by the way cannot be completely eliminated because substances like PCP have stimulant monoaminergic activity themselves), we're curious what this supposed impurity is, at least I am.

Some people here would kill to swap their less manic 3-MeO with you ;) but hey, rules.
 
Mondeva said:
The idea of washing it came after some discussion in a spanish forum about the possible impurities in the synthesis of this kind of substances. Someone pointed that a common impurity was active in micro-grams and it was responsible of excess stimulation and mania. If I remember well, it was speculated to have similar structure to MDVP and similar substances.
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This is extremely interesting. Do you have a link to said discussion??

Some people here would actually like to purify that byproduct from the pcp, lol
 
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I hope that the spanish forum is not cannabiscafe, as there is a lot of misinformation and ignorant users going arround
 
Well, the forum was cannabis cafe, but not in the public area (where I have not entered in a long time because it is a mess like MSK points), but in a private sub-group. That is also the reason why I cannot place a direct link to that discussion.
But the discussion itself referenced another thread here in Bluelight:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...y-of-a-major-methoxetamine-synthesis-impurity

so it is something that many of you may know from time ago.
And the impurity we were talking about is mentioned in the last page of this DEA report:

https://www.dea.gov/pr/microgram-journals/2012/mj9-1_3-17.pdf
 
Wow, that compound does indeed look like it could be some kind of DRI, I wonder if there's literature on it. I'll check latter. Could certainly solve the mistery of the qualitative variance between ACHAs batches - But, I think it is unlikely that it would be active in microgram doses, so unless we are getting pretty fucking impure batches, then I don't think it would be active, even if it does have CNS activity, in the quantities found in your typical 3-MeO-PCP dose.
 
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That is about MXE which follows a different synthesis pathway. The precursor to PCP is PCC and so should it be the precursor for the 3- and 4-MeO analogues - just a different Grignard reagent. It's active but certainly not in the microgram range iirc. Couldn't say if a little bit of it could be responsible for the presence or lack of hypomania.
A stimulant that would be active in the microgram range would probably kill people because the difference between a slightly terrible synth and a really terrible synth would then be a truly massive overdose of that compound. OK maybe you don't know for sure it kills people but mania and hypomania would be the least of your worries?

I thought maybe you were referencing a side-product but the grignard seems pretty selective. It's the difference between a primary (even aromatic) nitrile and a non-aromatic tertiary one.

PCC remains the major concern for PCP and close analogues, it's really not safe to leave unreacted.
 
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Yeah, I was thinking about that - A stimulant active enough in the microgram range to feel it when taking low doses of MXE would have killed people with tolerance trying to hole. Seems unlikely.
 
Yeah, I suppose you can do a 10+ x dose of some stims and be okay but I would think that if 1 dose is noticeable, 10+ would be beyond mania or whatever you consider a sideeffect of your 3-MeO, it would be stim pandemonia most likely. With SRIs or SDRI's involved it can be hold even less accountable.
 
Are there any known differences between the fluffy white powder, and the salt-like crystals of this substance? Is one the HBr and the other the HCl? I still have some of the former, but I am receiving a sample of the salt-like batch this week.

Also, has anyone had success vaporizing this compound? I know this has been asked before, but searching through the archives just confused me. I know it's a misnomer that only freebase chemicals can be smoked (take methamphetamine HCl for example), but I have very little background knowledge on the chemistry of piperidines.
 
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It appears substances like PCP are pyrolyzed way too much if you try to smoke / vape it so it sems so lossy that you'd have to convert it to freebase. PCE-based compounds should be vapable in salt form though.

I actually don't even know if it's appropriate to smoke these PCP compounds as freebase. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6852274 40% may be absorbed as PCP and 60% turns into more or less toxic compounds, some also active but less so. https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+6472

I doubt the 3-MeO added onto PCP helps with anything here. It increases the molecular weight so it likely requires more energy to vaporize, and it is no particular benefit to stability afaik.

Careful with the batch / ID discussion please. No conclusive info should be expected from comparing notes on appearance of your powder or crystals.
 
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First experience with this substance, really overdid the dosing (don't eyeball this shit) and had a pretty manic episode, all the post-exam stress probably didn't help.
Honestly this substance frightened me, and it's not often I feel the need to say that
 
This is definitely not one to eyeball when first testing the waters. Use a carefully measured dose! I also was not enamored with 3-meo-pcp at first, but I had a gram and a lot of free time. I eventually came to love it. I think you have to build a relationship with this drug to get the most out of it. Just be careful and don't go overboard!
 
I just wrote this in PD social, but I feel it fit here in this Big and Dandy-

3meo is back in my head, and I couldn't be more appreciative of it. I look forward to the coming days and years in which it is utilized as a tool in both therapeutic and creative capacities. It is a multi-tool, I call it. When it becomes integrated, elegantly, into the fabric of one's life, the full spectrum of its potential begins to awaken. After so many cycles, I like to think I have become intimately entangled with its powers, and the experience compounds on itself. I remember years ago, when I was using it while editing my 45-minute music video 'Serendipity' (available on archive.org and vimeo.com), I saw the first glimpses of its potential to streamline creative processes, and its ability to see beyond the box. As psychospiritual and creative technologies continue to evolve and unify, from a mess of chaos into a divine manifestation of order, I see 3meo as an integral and formidable tool for the ages.
 
vortech said:
I just wrote this in PD social, but I feel it fit here in this Big and Dandy-

3meo is back in my head, and I couldn't be more appreciative of it. I look forward to the coming days and years in which it is utilized as a tool in both therapeutic and creative capacities. It is a multi-tool, I call it. When it becomes integrated, elegantly, into the fabric of one's life, the full spectrum of its potential begins to awaken. After so many cycles, I like to think I have become intimately entangled with its powers, and the experience compounds on itself. I remember years ago, when I was using it while editing my 45-minute music video 'Serendipity' (available on archive.org and vimeo.com), I saw the first glimpses of its potential to streamline creative processes, and its ability to see beyond the box. As psychospiritual and creative technologies continue to evolve and unify, from a mess of chaos into a divine manifestation of order, I see 3meo as an integral and formidable tool for the ages.
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Did you realize that before or after it sent you to the hospital?
 
vortech said:
I just wrote this in PD social, but I feel it fit here in this Big and Dandy-

3meo is back in my head, and I couldn't be more appreciative of it. I look forward to the coming days and years in which it is utilized as a tool in both therapeutic and creative capacities. It is a multi-tool, I call it. When it becomes integrated, elegantly, into the fabric of one's life, the full spectrum of its potential begins to awaken. After so many cycles, I like to think I have become intimately entangled with its powers, and the experience compounds on itself. I remember years ago, when I was using it while editing my 45-minute music video 'Serendipity' (available on archive.org and vimeo.com), I saw the first glimpses of its potential to streamline creative processes, and its ability to see beyond the box. As psychospiritual and creative technologies continue to evolve and unify, from a mess of chaos into a divine manifestation of order, I see 3meo as an integral and formidable tool for the ages.
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You are really positive! My believe is that in the coming years 3-MeO-PCP will be banned as was MXE, because of its great potential and popularity. It's currently in the process of beeing as popular as MXE was, and with a compound as potent as this, I can only see kids overdosing and dying from combining it with a shitload of otter drugs.

BTW I didn't know you was into music production and video editing! Could you please PM the link to the video?
 
So……. Well let's just say I have a suicide problem when something real bad happens….. or whatever it was. I turned into a SUPER IV ADDICT of 3-meo-pcp and DCK with some hash.

I feel like I rebooted, but I lost TONS of old memories. I high dosed DCK and 3-meo over the course of however long my brain… What happened to my brain? I feel like I'm fucked.

I had multiple trips to the ER. I had a schizophrenic friend in my life who controlled me just recently during my binge.

Long story short, I played with the dose a little, volumetrically. I knew what I was doing...

I ended up having some major retardation effects. I holed on 3-meo HARDCORE. I think about 100mg's IV over the course of 5 maybe 10 or 15 minutes looking for a manic rush… I made it to the floor and TRAVELLED. I came out of it retarded. TONS of bad thing kept happening and I destroyed my brain with some kind of DCK IV addiction and 3-meo-pcp and some super high doses I would dose and forget and still try chasing something that didn't exist. Like I was trying to destroy myself instead of using it to heal. I became INSANE with wanting to stay buzzed high fucked up beyond belief accident, opening apartment door to a knock during a dose and going to ER and just NO MEMORY...

I last fried my brain Tuesday with a manic dose with hash.

I understood how I needed a relationship with this chemical, like LSD or even weed… I had a REAL fuck up. I get that PLEASE hello nobody sits there and abuses drugs like that without some kind of FUCK UP.

Last time I used this drug I got offered a promotion nine days into some use.

What happened to my brain? I feel confused as fuck and have. It was SO BAD at some points. This may have gone on for a few weeks I have no idea. I can't remember A LOT. I feel super ADD… My brain has just… I know it's only been some time.. Clearly I have an underlying drug problem but damn I just wanted a "cleaner" IV high I didn't want to eat it! What the fuck….

So yeah. Brain is heavily destroyed. What kind of damage is that? I feel very confused and ADD. I was doing great until I ate a bunch of wheat last night which fucks with me… I mean doing great as in I had a handle on my life again for sometime after last dose.

Maybe it's wearing out… but I feel like I dropped so many IQ points. I became suicidal, you wouldn't believe how I did my last dose… insane way to get residue and 5 separate ml shots.

Something happened that made me suicidal and my first trip got ruined by a girl who turned pretty schizo and manic. It's a long story… The entire goal WAS HEALING and I ended up going nuts on DCK and plenty of 3-meo-pcp.

I had pcp retardation at points, like a 4 year old with down syndrome….

I was doing a valium taper with pharmacist, med student, doctor, all kinds of meetings, I mean every day for at first, for the last month and THE last two weeks of that had been awesome with a 25% dose reduction at week three. Doctor said I'd been on over 100mg's diazepam if it wasn't for the intuniv I have been on(4mg's). I was doing pretty damn great until this friend took me to the ER and turned actual schizo and did a lot of things that really hurt me. I mean the police were involved and all sorts of things ON MY END TRYING TO GET MY STUFF BACK LIKE MY KEYS.

I'm telling you, this drug helped. My life is forever changed and this person HURT THE FUCK OUT OF ME but...

What happened to my brain? I feel like I'm fucked.

To Vortech above, I've had those thoughts since I first started studying Jason Silva and the technological singularity and Joe Rogan and stuff like that… Super futurist fan of technology and my history of drugs and medical literature obsession and being in the RC seen...
 
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I don't have any more drugs and my plans are to stay sober from everything for awhile….

Did I do anything specific to my brain with the "pcp retardation" effects?

I mean, will healthy eating and exercise, increasing BDNF…. be enough or am I looking at long term symptoms like from cold turkey benzos…..
 
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