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The Big & Dandy 2C-P Thread

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Although I don't know every vendor or chemist on the planet, when I suddenly see a prevalence of posts or TR's of (relatively) exotic/not normally widely available chems (read 2c-p/2ct7 vs 2ce/2ci) from people who are not friends of chemists it raises a red flag. It tells me that perhaps a newish rc vendor popped up with a long list of designer phens and trypts which may or may not be accurately labeled.

In my experience, many customers of those types of vendors are well-meaning, sell-intentioned but relatively inexperienced psychonauts. By inexperienced I mean although they may have eaten LSD, shrooms, DXM, 2c blah blah blah, they are unable to qualitatively tell the difference between a 2c-p and 2c-e experience or a 2ct2 and 2ct7 experience; not because they are unintelligent but simply because their limited frame of reference is based solely upon other peoples' TR's.

In short, I would love to see the current crop of 2c-p and 2ct7 *snip* be reagent-tested for authenticity. It seems strange that as potent a chemical as 2c-p would require a tester to take amounts over 10mg through any ROA just to achieve significant effect. Ironically, 15 mg of 2c-e would produce a significant effect that, when combined with a limited frame of reference, could fool somebody into paying inflated prices for an effective yet "not-as-advertised" chemical. When that happens, the potential for danger multiplies exponentially.

Has anyone reporting 2c-p experiences here tested their substance or gotten it directly out of the glass?

wouldn't 2c-e and 2c-p be fairly easily distinguished simply due to the time frames associated with each one. 2c-p seems to have a much longer onset/come up and a much longer overall duration based on what i've read. at least with dosages near the same level.
 
2c-P wasn't as intense as i thought it was going to be. Not to say that it wasnt something i learned from, ive just had a lot more success with 2c-T-7 and 2c-I. 2c-p was bizzare in the way that it made me relaxed and kind of lethargic. This is the only one of the 2c family that has done this and it surprised me a lot. I did a lot of painting, making music, and writing in my journal. All in all i would call it a good RC to take by yourself when youre looking to explore and create but not wanting to step out of the dimention totally.
 
interesting... i wouldn't have thought it would be active at that level, though I suppose placebo effect isn't out of the question. I've been aching to try this one for a minute, but time constraints have resulted in me sticking with shorter lived things... c'mon spring break!
 
I'm pretty sure it would be active at 1mg level; nothing full-blown or too crazy but I can see the lightheadedness that Chacer mentions being possible and some phenethlyamine body stuff coming up from nibbling a wee bit of residue off the scale or something.... :)
 
Actually I've found it to be a fabulous nootropic at the 0.5 / 1 / 2 mg level :)

I'm an artist and the days when I am enhanced by a speck of 2C-P are often massively creative and productive. 100% clear-headed and functional.

I should mention that I smoke cannabis 24/7, and would not personally be comfortable with 2C-P at any level without it, due to the high-pitched energy frequency, which for me necessitates cannabinoidal softening. YMMV :)
 
I don't know whether it's from inhaling small amounts of powder that get thrown up in the air or what, but I often feel jittery after handling phens.

Also, after taking a capsule which probably always has a little residue on the outside of it, I get a jolt.
 
Yea I found 2C-P to be a bit light in away, it was lacking the intensity and depth that 2C-E provides. Don't get me wrong its a powerful and long lasting substance, just didn't take me to the same places that 2C-E does. This was a 12mg dose BTW. And as always YMMV
 
^ I think they're roughly similar to 2C-E... they're certainly different and unique but I don't know if I'd characterize them as 'atypical'... tentacles seems to be a recurring visual motif! :)

not very much like 2C-I or 2C-B - thank Goddess - because I usually get low resolution/japanimation/gritty/blade-runner/urban-techno-sleaze types of visuals from I & B... which utterly disgust me.

I've never had any of that ickiness from 2C-P. Although now that it's becoming more popular, once everybody starts playing xbox and watching shitty movies on it, that may change :(

I've only taken it up to ~8 mg, but I'm a bit sensitive to most psychs, so that could easily be equivalent to 10 or 12 mg for someone else.

At 8 mg, the most impressive visual was of this fantastic, bizarre, multi-limbed godform... my first thought was, "This is a cactus entity! I can contact intelligences on 2C-P just like I can with plants! What a marvelous synthetic!"

Then it looked at me, and communicated something to the effect of, "You know, plant-based mescaline would be much more suited to your purposes."

And then it left.

=D
 
not very much like 2C-I or 2C-B - thank Goddess - because I usually get low resolution/japanimation/gritty/blade-runner/urban-techno-sleaze types of visuals from I & B... which utterly disgust me.

=D


hahaha u should choose your entertainment options better. I can picture that well.
 
^ I was half-caricaturing my own intuition (not belief) of morphogenic fields particular to each psychedelic...

in a nutshell, the idea is that the spaces opened up by psychs retain impressions of us just we retain impressions of them...

So when I repeatedly encounter rave-party, warehouse, strobelight, graffiti visuals on specifically 2C-B, it makes sense to me that this could be a result of 2C-B having been experienced in that environment for a major portion of its existence here on Earth.

And what about these cheap anime visuals I often get? it's almost like the junk tv and advertisements viewed by the Chinese chemist on the morning he synth'd the 2C-x were absorbed by the chemicals' morphogenic field... sounds outlandish I know, but why else would there be garish neon anime visions in Chinese chemicals? I don't watch anime - it's not coming from my psyche. Very bizarre.

Another classic example is the Aztec visual motifs often reported with Morning Glories... or anacondas and jaguars with ayahuasca... visions of tribal Bwiti with Iboga... etc

A typical criticism of the idea is that this is all just the result of planted suggestions, something that the person had read previously, etc, which colors the subjective experience...

But I intuitively feel like there's something to this. Of course I could be totally wrong. I'm not trying to convince anybody.

Sorry if this is a poor explanation, I'm a tad spacious from this smidgen of 2cp... :D<3
 
exactly dude, eventually you trip enough that you get to a point when all of your visuals can be noticed as memories from things you've seen. What observe is what impacts you. So yea, watching a lot of corny movies and everything else you did is what your visuals will be. Look at a lot of art and you'll appreciate art. Stay in the same room forever and all you will see is the walls around you.
 
^Right, but the idea with the morphogenic fields is that not only does one's 'context' influence hir own trip at the time, but, - if that particular context was repeatedly experienced by different people at different times - it could leave its impression, or trace, or 'groove' in that particular psychedelic space...

and then other people who perhaps have never even been exposed to that context may encounter it while exploring the space.

So it's not just about how one's surroundings influence one's own trip... in theory the psychedelic space itself is being molded and evolved, or possibly devolved, for other people too, regardless of their contribution.

EDIT: I think PEA's and 2C-x are especially prone to this kind of thing because they seem to primarily access the subconscious/collective human consciousness levels, where a lot of these psychic/sensory impressions are floating around.


(sorry for the off-topic digressions <3)
 
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im very excited to try this at a 10-12mg level
i would like to consider myself experienced with LSD with 150ish, trips under my young belt
the vast majority of them being over 5 minimum 100ug tabs
ive repeatedly experimented with 2c-b. and it will my my only subjective reference

i have some friends on a different forum, who all comments on an increase in the sense of smell
he also told me who would have equated 8mg of 2c-P to 60mg of 2c-E. do you consider this a comment to the purity of the substance?

im looking forward to this dive, but i will venture further and say i am not expecting it to be easy
perhaps reminiscent of taking 25 hits of 200~ug lsd...

i would also like some clarification on how BL would defne the "ego?"
ive lurked BL for a long while now, and hope to contribute worthy experiences to the TR forums
Nameste
 
This doesn't sound right to me at all. For me 8mg of 2cp is roughly equivalent to 14-16mg of 2ce...

i was hoping you would reply propyl. he experiments heavily with 2c-E and finds his sweet spot to be 25-35mg, and its not that he is hard headed for phene's or trypts 25mg of 4-HO-MiPT had him blown away
i guess im even more curious about the purity, and the morphogenics you eluded too
in any case, i should be receiving a small quantity of 2c-e for some subjective differences...

in other regards what about the acuity of sense of smell
his best metaphor was "you know when you smell the rain before it happens? it was like i could smell where i was going, before i had got there"
 
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