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The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread

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exactly, no chemical is any less profound than you want it to be. I have absolutely no clue how people view this trip is purely recreational. You must have had it in mind to use it in that way,

I don't really understand 2ci being purely recreational either. I've only used it a couple of times and Maybe it's just the newness of the experience, but I find LSD to be more recreational than 2ci.

It's not an overwhelming substance but at the same time I don't think I would do well with interacting with alot of people on it. I don't find the mindset to be as ecstatic and loving as LSD. There are moments of euphoria on it but I find it to be a mostly neutral headspace.

It's certainly not my favorite but I find it an interesting psychedelic worth exploring.
 
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exactly, no chemical is any less profound than you want it to be. I have absolutely no clue how people view this trip is purely recreational. You must have had it in mind to use it in that way, or you just don't use these substances correctly.


The profundity comes from you. It's all up to you. The substance just gives you greater access to learn the ability.

I got into an argument with someone in an earlier thread who put forward a similar claim for 2c-c. Saying that everyone who characterized it as recreational and not that mentally intense were just doing it "wrong".

Intense is a relative term in this context. Sure 2c-i (and 2c-c for that matter although I find 2c-i a bit more psychedelic) definitely has some psychedelic potential to encourage different types of thinking and introspection but its tendency to do so is small relative to other substances such as LSD, 4-aco/ho-dmt, DMT, 2C-E, etc.

This is all just my opinion but it is shared by many others. I have no doubt that someone could find 2c-i more deep than LSD but that would be very rare.

Different people respond differently to these drugs on a physical/pharmacological and also a mental level.

Of course the profundity comes from you. It certainly isn't contained within the drug. It is entirely possible to have a profound, life changing experience while completely sober. Psychedelics are just tools to help facilitate the mental states that lead to these experiences. Some of these tools are more effective than others. Some are incredibly forceful and relentless in urging your mind to turn in on itself and examine its own cognitive behaviors and mechanisms while others have almost no tendency to do this and instead just give a pseudo-psychedelic experience with some visuals and a body high but without inducing a strong mental component. Which ones actually do which will vary from person to person. 2c-i falls in the latter category for me and many others.

There is something going on in our brain on a pharmacological level that induces this type of deep introspective thinking in us. Some chemicals seem to turn this on/stimulate this part of the mind more than others. Which ones actually do this the most seem to vary from person to person based on their variation in physiological and mental makeup.

In my experience (everything here is my opinion based on experience) and those of others in this thread, 2c-i tends to be very gentle and does not really have the tendency to induce these states very consistently. It does not have a drastic mental shift when compared to other psychs. In fact, 2c-i seems to inhibit introspection for me in a way in that it makes it difficult to think clearly for long periods of time. It has a somewhat cloudy headspace and my thoughts seem quite jumbled and unsynchronized. It definitely causes a mental shift but it isn't geared toward profound introspection like others are.

That said, I have no doubt that it is possible to have a profound experience on 2c-i.

Your opinion and experience is not the end all be all and final say about these things. Don't discount other people experiences as false or inferior just because they don't correlate with yours.

Edit: After typing all this I realize that in order to actually discuss this clearly we must clarify what exactly is the difference between a recreational substance and a "serious" one. There is obviously a lot of overlap and some chemicals can be both very recreational but also very spiritual/intellectual from trip to trip or even within the same trip. Some times the line between a recreational and a spiritual experience can be quite blurry. Some of my most profound experiences with psychedelics have been while listening to music. Listening to music on psychs can be incredibly fun but it also be incredibly profound and even, dare I say, life changing. I've had a few experiences with music and psychedelics that were initially just supposed to be fun but ended up having a profound effect on me as a person and have molded me into the person I am today.

2c-i certainly isn't as recreational as something as MDMA. It has a lot of negative effects that hinder it from being on a similar level of enjoyment and it also has more of a mental edge. But that edge is nowhere near as sharp as other psychs.

LSD is a perfectly example of something that can be very recreational at one moment and deeply introspective and profound the next.

In the end, my opinion of 2c-i is rather low because I don't find it to be THAT recreational (bc of its negative side effects- stimulation, headaches, nausea, etc) and it also isn't that mentally profound or visually intense. 2C-E on the other hand has pretty much no recreation value as it has the worst side effects of all the 2cs but it is VERY worthwhile because it is very mentally involved and spectacularly visual.

Furthermore, of the drugs that are know to be mentally intense and introspective there are even more distinctions: some have a more intellectual feeling (LSD, 2C-E) while others have a more emotionally charged introspection (mushrooms). Again there is overlap between the two.

LOL I realize this post is kinda rambling on now. Hopefully some people can see what I'm getting at :) Time to stop editing and adding because I could go on forever. Psychedelics are so complex and interesting.
 
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I got into an argument with someone in an earlier thread who put forward a similar claim for 2c-c. Saying that everyone who characterized it as recreational and not that mentally intense were just doing it "wrong".

Intense is a relative term in this context. Sure 2c-i (and 2c-c for that matter although I find 2c-i a bit more psychedelic) definitely has some psychedelic potential to encourage different types of thinking and introspection but its tendency to do so is small relative to other substances such as LSD, 4-aco/ho-dmt, DMT, 2C-E, etc.

This is all just my opinion but it is shared by many others. I have no doubt that someone could find 2c-i more deep than LSD but that would be very rare.

Different people respond differently to these drugs on a physical/pharmacological and also a mental level.

Of course the profundity comes from you. It certainly isn't contained within the drug. It is entirely possible to have a profound, life changing experience while completely sober. Psychedelics are just tools to help facilitate the mental states that lead to these experiences. Some of these tools are more effective than others. Some are incredibly forceful and relentless in urging your mind to turn in on itself and examine its own mechanisms and qualities while others have almost no tendency to do this and instead just give a pseudo-psychedelic experience with some visuals and a body high but without much of a mental component. Which ones actually do which will vary from person to person. 2c-i falls in the latter category for me and many others.

There is something going on in our brain on a pharmacological level that induces this type of deep introspective thinking in us. Some chemicals seem to turn this on/stimulate this part of the mind more than others.

In my experience (everything here is my opinion based on experience) and those of others in this thread, 2c-i tends to be very gentle and does not really have the tendency to induce these states very consistently. It does not have a drastic mental shift when compared to other psychs. In fact, 2c-i seems to inhibit introspection for me in a way that it makes it difficult to think clearly for long periods of time. It definitely causes a mental shift but it isn't geared toward profound introspection like others are.

That said, I have no doubt that it is possible to have a profound experience on 2c-i.

Your opinion and experience is not the end all be all and final say about these things. Don't discount other people experiences as false or inferior just because they don't correlate with yours.

Great post. I'm glad we can all agree on the fact that YMMV and 2c-i can in fact produce a "profound experience".

Irregardless, I would like to discuss your statement that points to your "difficulty" in thinking clearly for long periods of time while under 2c-i's influence. Do you not find value in such an occurrence? I'd be inclined to examine such an occurrence as one that speaks to my current mental state--I'd then try and find the source of concern.
 
lol my post has grown to almost twice the length while you were posting from constant editing. So much to say but I will stop for now :)

It's not really a source for concern. It is just a general feeling of being scatterbrained that I tend to get from 2c-i. It isn't particularly unpleasant. It is interesting but not that useful for introspection. In fact, I find that sometimes interesting and novel thoughts will pop into my head but I have difficult pursuing them and may even quickly forget them as my mind moves on to something else.

Edit: This directly contrasts with my psilacetin experiences. One in particulary found me confronting/analyzing a certain aspect of my self and my general outlook, and current place, in life as well as my own cognitive behavior. The chemical (or the way it was acting on my brain) put me in a mindstate that was quite relentless in insisting that I continue with that train of thought until it came to some kind of resolution. This particular trip was incredibly cathartic. I actually wrote a trip report for it, it's on this site.
 
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Concern was probably the wrong choice of words. On second thought I would probably label it an aspect of one's character that needs improvement. In the end it really comes down to one's subjective experience--something that no one can take away from you.

Funny you bring up the story about 4acodmt; one of my earlier trials resulted in something similar. In the end I was a better man for it. I'll definitely give your TR a read.
 
It does not have a drastic mental shift when compared to other psychs. In fact, 2c-i seems to inhibit introspection for me in a way in that it makes it difficult to think clearly for long periods of time. It has a somewhat cloudy headspace and my thoughts seem quite jumbled and unsynchronized. It definitely causes a mental shift but it isn't geared toward profound introspection like others are.

I have this same exact problem with mushrooms and this is exactly why I think 2ci is very worthwhile.With mushrooms I find I spend the first 1/2 of the trip in a confused, befuddled, clouded mindstate where I practically grab onto no ideas and usually have hints of nausea as well. I find 2ci to be more lucid and clear although I do have moments on it where i 'blank out'.

I think it really comes down to personal choice and taste. Maybe ill change my mind after a few more trials with this substance but after the first trip I thought the comparisons to MDMA were very misleading as I found it to be all psychedelic. I've never been one to use a hallucinogen for the visuals and if that's what you are after I would probably say 2ci is not for you. I do find it a very moving and emotional experience though, and pretty introspective as well. Music is also effected in interesting ways.

Set and setting probably plays a role in the different experiences as well as dosage. I've only done it twice at 20 and 22 mgs. I'm also not familiar with any of the tryptamine RC's except 5 meo dmt. Maybe some experience with those substances may change my opinion.
 
YMMV as always.

I actually get something similar on mushrooms as well. The come up on mushrooms is very rough. It makes me feel super anxious and nauseous which certainly doesn't help my clarity of thought but after that initial period it plateaus and becomes a lot better although still quite difficult at times.

Mushrooms do tend to be a very emotional trip and can be a bit confusing for sure.

4-aco-dmt does not have any of these problems at all and it's the reason why I will probably never take mushrooms again. It is still very emotional but much clearer and manageable.

2c-i is mentally frazzling in a different way than mush for me. Different in that it isn't so overwhelming and intense that it becomes confusing, it just makes me feel very restless with slight headache and tension in my body that makes it difficult to just sit down and think about things.

It can still be quite fun but I prefer lowish doses (15-18mg) because these side effects aren't that bad at that level. More euphoric and less stimulation and restlessness.

Also, I take psychedelics for both it's mental and visual aspects. I considered them both elements of the psychedelic experience. The best psychedelics have both: a great mental headspace and spectacular visuals. I am very interested in visual art and art in general and psychedelics unlock the creative potential of your brain and just lets it run wild for a few hours. It's pretty profound if you ask me. It's amazing how your brain can create a infinite amount of incredibly complex and novel imagery. At high enough doses you can literally compose music in your mind and create breathtaking art work.

It's like your in a partnership with the unconscious processes in your brain. You can take control of that ship and direct it and it will fill in all the blanks so to speak. I hope this explanation makes sense.

Anyway all I'm trying to say is that the psychedelic experience is not only spiritually/intellectually profound but also creatively. The best psychedelics should have the whole package. Tryptamines do this the best, particularly: LSD, DMT, Psilacetin.

2c-E has alot of potential as well but I haven't taken it in high enough doses to reach this type of peak creative state. It certainly is incredibly visual but at the doses I took I didn't feel as if I had any control over/input on what I was seeing.

I have found LSD to be the easiest one to achieve this state with. Your mind can do some amazing things with the help of these substances.
 
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Of course the profundity comes from you. It certainly isn't contained within the drug. It is entirely possible to have a profound, life changing experience while completely sober. Psychedelics are just tools to help facilitate the mental states that lead to these experiences.

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In fact, 2c-i seems to inhibit introspection for me in a way in that it makes it difficult to think clearly for long periods of time. It has a somewhat cloudy headspace and my thoughts seem quite jumbled and unsynchronized. It definitely causes a mental shift but it isn't geared toward profound introspection like others are.

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Your opinion and experience is not the end all be all and final say about these things. Don't discount other people experiences as false or inferior just because they don't correlate with yours.

Agree with pretty much everything you said in your post Delta-9. It's amazing how differently a particular substance can affect two different people (whether it be because of their physiology or psychology I don't know, but that's another discussion). In any case, I should have said that "for me 2c-i seems purely recreational..." Obviously my experiences are only my own and don't detract from what anyone else has taken away from this substance.

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Someone mentioned laughing a lot, or just having 'recreational' trips without much serious afterthought. I'd be inclined to argue that those experiences have considerable therapeutic value derived from 2c-i's psychedelia...

Agreed (and if it didn't have any value, I wouldn't be taking it. :) )
 
In another thread, someone mentioned enjoying sub-mg doses of 2c-i. Just wondering if anyone else has experience in this regard. What are the effects? If you get bad body load with "normal" 2c-i doses, are the negative effects absent at the tiny doses? Is the effect mood lifting? Nootropic?
 
Edit: After typing all this I realize that in order to actually discuss this clearly we must clarify what exactly is the difference between a recreational substance and a "serious" one. There is obviously a lot of overlap and some chemicals can be both very recreational but also very spiritual/intellectual from trip to trip or even within the same trip. Some times the line between a recreational and a spiritual experience can be quite blurry.



I personally disagree with a lot of your post and I'm having trouble pinning down why, but I think it has to do with this idea that a "deep" or "spiritual" experience on psychedelics has to do with intellectual stimulation and introspective exploration of your thoughts. Chemicals like LSD or 2c-e induce this type of experience and it can be deep in a way and I often feel like I learn a lot about myself, but for me the "gentler" psychedelics like mescaline, 2c-b or MDMA are the ones that I think of as providing a deep experience, because of their abilities to open me up and let me share/experience love with those close to me. When I think of my deepest psychedelic experiences that have the most meaning to me, most of them are with MDMA (and I've had my fair share of LSD, mushrooms, DMT, etc) because the empathetic connection I feel with others is more meaningful to me personally than exploring my own mind. But of course that's just me and everyone has their own ideas of what they are looking for in a psychedelic experience.


That said, I would say for me 2c-i is pretty purely recreational since I'm spending too much time giggling when I'm on it to feel deeply connected to others OR explore my own mind.
 
First timer

Having done what can only be a whole lot of MDMA, along with a few mushroom trips...I will be attending a very large trance party this coming weekend and a buddy of mine suggested bring some 2c-i. Having heard some amazing stories regarding 2c-b, i am very interested in trying 2c-i. However, upon turning to bluelight for a little bit of guidance i feel more confused than ever. Everyone seems to have different feelings regarding 2c-i, many feelings seem to revolve around negative affects.
I am particularly excited about the possibility of some amazing visuals, especially in a trance setting with some dope light shows, but was wondering if I could get some solid what I should expect replies from past users, especially considering the environment I will be in. Love MDMA and loved shrooms, hope to love 2c-i.

Feedback greatly needed and appreciated!
 
I personally disagree with a lot of your post and I'm having trouble pinning down why, but I think it has to do with this idea that a "deep" or "spiritual" experience on psychedelics has to do with intellectual stimulation and introspective exploration of your thoughts. Chemicals like LSD or 2c-e induce this type of experience and it can be deep in a way and I often feel like I learn a lot about myself, but for me the "gentler" psychedelics like mescaline, 2c-b or MDMA are the ones that I think of as providing a deep experience, because of their abilities to open me up and let me share/experience love with those close to me. When I think of my deepest psychedelic experiences that have the most meaning to me, most of them are with MDMA (and I've had my fair share of LSD, mushrooms, DMT, etc) because the empathetic connection I feel with others is more meaningful to me personally than exploring my own mind. But of course that's just me and everyone has their own ideas of what they are looking for in a psychedelic experience.


That said, I would say for me 2c-i is pretty purely recreational since I'm spending too much time giggling when I'm on it to feel deeply connected to others OR explore my own mind.

That is actually a big part of what I'm trying to say. It is kind iffy to divide things along the lines of recreational and intellectual/spiritual/whatever because there are substances out there that can be both of these at different times or even the same time. For you that drug is MDMA. In reality a chemical can have recreational potential and introspective potential and some can be almost 100% in both categories, at least for me. Everyone is affected by these chemicals differently and furthermore, everyone has their own reasons for tripping and get different things out of it which further influences the chemicals that they consider the most worthwhile. It is all quite subjective. I'm in no way saying that your experiences must follow mine. I'm just basing what I say off of personal experience and observation.

I definitely don't consider MDMA purely recreational without any deeper potential, it can be just pure fun but it also certainly has a distinct and fairly strong mental component to it that can be quite useful and may even catalyze a very meaningful experience in some people. Personally I don't put MDMA on the same level as other psychedelics for a few reasons. The main one being: MDMA is pretty much the same trip every time discounting changes in set and setting. It is quite predictable. With a good psychedelic like psilacetin or DMT I can do the drug in the same setting over and over and over again and continue to have extremely novel experiences every time. For me, good psychedelics are novelty generators and MDMA doesn't really fit that label.

Edit: Don't get me wrong here. I certainly like me some MDMA =D Just for different reasons than I like DMT ;)
 
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The majority of people's negative comments (from my understanding at least) seem to arise when people start comparing 2c-i to other chemicals. If you allow 2c-i to stand alone it really shines though.

Clearly you've been around the block with stimulants in a party setting. I'll tell you now that 2c-i's stimulation is not in the same as an amphetamine--while it can be forceful, I find that you sometimes need to search for the quality instead of having it handed to you on a platter. This does not however mean that you can't have a good time. If you get into your flow and don't analyze the stimulation too much you might find that it's just what you're looking for. On the other hand, it may also come up short of your expectations. As always, YMMV.

I also don't recommend taking any drug for the first time in such a public arena although if you were to take any such psychedelic in such a manner 2c-i would be a fair choice.

i know you said trance but any chance your going to hardfest saturday night? it's gonna be WILD

edit: d9t is a FREAK LIKE ME
 
Everyone is affected by these chemicals differently and furthermore, everyone has their own reasons for tripping and get different things out of it which further influences the chemicals that they consider the most worthwhile. It is all quite subjective. I'm in no way saying that your experiences must follow mine. I'm just basing what I say off of personal experience and observation.

For sure, that's exactly what I was trying to say
 
2ci + acid combo is awesome for raves.

I'm not too sure how 2ci would be at a rave on its own. When I use the material on its own, I generally use it at home... mostly me trying to figure out what its good for. High doses [over 20+ mg] kind of sucks... its alright, but annoying at the end. The trip doesn't really go anywhere in my opinion. A light / medium dose [10-15 mg] with some acid is pretty awesome. Probably the best use for it... There's no need to use a ton of acid either. I've done the combo at a rave and I have done it outside tripping about in the snow with a couple close friends.

Snorting amounts of the chemical is pretty cool also. 10mg gave me a 4-5 hour experience. I was alone, and i mostly just listened to music [fsol], danced about, and wrote things down. 2ci is strange though I always wanna get up and move around, but then I feel as though I' moving too much so I sit down... Eventually as the trip is coming to a close I end up smoking good amounts of weed. I even made the joke to a friend... Effects of 2ci: increase in ability to smoke weed... It's hard to get burnt out on weed when you are cruising on 2ci.

I want to explore light doses some more though. One day I snorted 3 mg, and went about my day normally. It was an interesting experience and i had a good mood-lift that lasted a few hours... after those few hours the PEA feeling was gone, but I still felt good. It was a bright sunny day though... That always helps. I want to try eating small amounts. 10mg or so, I would say... Should I go lower than that? Like 5mg maybe?
 
2C-I feeds my ability to glowstring for 8+ hours in a row better than anything else. It's tweaky enough to where I can dose and warm up for a few hours then go rave. (Adderall works less well because the trails and visual symmetry I get from tripping keep me interested.)
 
I've previously voiced my opinion that 2c-i is purely recreational for me. Well, I guess I have to eat my words. This past weekend I decided to give 2c-i one more try before moving onto other substances. The result was both humbling and personally hopeful. I've written a trip report for anyone who might be interested.
 
Have just come back to this thread after being quite daunted by Delta-9-THC's post hahaha...not really, just haven't been assed to read it til now - gave it the time to read...and OK, I may have been quick off the bat to say it was purely recreational, especially given that I've literally only done it 3 times.

Wicked post anyways dude, definitely made me think more about it.

Just seemed quite odd to me, when 2C-B gave me a great visual high, with a suggestive way of shifting my thoughts on the comedown; Psilocybe Semilanceata giving me a more heavily visual and sensual experience with heavier suggestive, but suggestive all the same comedown, 2C-E gave me a bitchslapping shift of my thoughts, and so did LSD, except 2C-E seemed harsher to me...but in a good way all the same.

2C-I just seemed very "non-mindfucky", amphetamine-like, beautifully unique visually, with a completely neutral if not slightly befuddling head space.
Definitely need to look deeper into this one, still not really tried anymore combos since I tried 2C-B & 2C-E together.

Nice material all the same - will definitely be doing it again, as I have some more at the moment.

Also might try sniffing this stuff, as that is my usual ROA for the 2C-x family, given that it's only 6-10mg going up the nose instead of a whopping 100mg haha :)
 
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