The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)
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Xorkoth
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Yeah, that's about right. Except no matter what the dose, I find it's impossible for you to achieve the same level of novelty/profundity in a trip as the first time when you dose multiple times close in a row. You have to allow your mind to reset, or else it's sort of like beating your head against a wall, trying to have the same experience, but you can't, because a big part of the profound nature of trips is when you don't know what to expect and suddenly it's shown to you.
Also, repeating this dosing pattern too often can result in "loss of the magic". Doing it once for fun when you aren't going to be able to trip again for a long time is fine, I would think, but don't make a habit of it (like I did in 2006-2007). Tripping has never been quite the same for me since. If you read my early exploratory trip reports, I seem unable to have that type of fully immersive trip anymore, even after many months of no psychedelics at all, even with the kind of doses I could never have handled back then.
Also, repeating this dosing pattern too often can result in "loss of the magic". Doing it once for fun when you aren't going to be able to trip again for a long time is fine, I would think, but don't make a habit of it (like I did in 2006-2007). Tripping has never been quite the same for me since. If you read my early exploratory trip reports, I seem unable to have that type of fully immersive trip anymore, even after many months of no psychedelics at all, even with the kind of doses I could never have handled back then.
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wow so you really havent head a fully emersive trip since? even off different substances like mushrooms
Xorkoth
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Actually I haven't tried mushrooms in a few years. Or DPT.
Had my first experience with 2C-E last night, 15 mg insufflated gradually over the course of 90 minutes. I intended to only go with 10 mg, but I found myself oddly insensitive to the effects and bumped it up to 15 mg. This could be related to the nortriptyline (TCA) I take daily. I planned to take the 2C-E RA, but I'm often sick at my stomach and yesterday was no exception :/
I was blown away by the clarity of the experience... There was no mental haze whatsoever. There was also no physical euphoria or discomfort. I found myself a bit disappointed at first, but then I turned some music on and laid down... For the next six hours, I embarked on mental tangent after mental tangent, resetting every couple minutes to reflect on my clarity. I was always very pleased with where my thoughts led me, even though there was never any sort of divine enlightenment "aha!" moment one might experience on a large dose of mushrooms or LSD. As for music, it didn't actually sound any better, but I was able to understand it on a new level unlike I've experienced on other PEAs. This insight was profound enough that I analyzed each song on my playlist the entire six hours (I'm a musician with perfect pitch, so I'm inclined to closely analyze music sober as well), never "forgetting to listen" as I often do under the influence of tryptamines. Remarkably, this was made easier by time dilation, despite the constriction I had expected. For the length of the plateau, time seemed to pass more slowly by a good 25%.
I plan to try 20 mg oral or 14 mg RA next time.
I was blown away by the clarity of the experience... There was no mental haze whatsoever. There was also no physical euphoria or discomfort. I found myself a bit disappointed at first, but then I turned some music on and laid down... For the next six hours, I embarked on mental tangent after mental tangent, resetting every couple minutes to reflect on my clarity. I was always very pleased with where my thoughts led me, even though there was never any sort of divine enlightenment "aha!" moment one might experience on a large dose of mushrooms or LSD. As for music, it didn't actually sound any better, but I was able to understand it on a new level unlike I've experienced on other PEAs. This insight was profound enough that I analyzed each song on my playlist the entire six hours (I'm a musician with perfect pitch, so I'm inclined to closely analyze music sober as well), never "forgetting to listen" as I often do under the influence of tryptamines. Remarkably, this was made easier by time dilation, despite the constriction I had expected. For the length of the plateau, time seemed to pass more slowly by a good 25%.
I plan to try 20 mg oral or 14 mg RA next time.
nearjat
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I'd thought I'd stop by and contribute something. I find that the true spectacular nature of 2-CE comes out when the substance is added to something already fulfilling. Just sitting around and tripping face is fun, but then IMO you are missing out on the best 2-CE has to offer. This goes right along with responsible use, with frequent dosing comes repetitive settings.
Go on a walk with a friend, or alone if you prefer to trip alone. 2C-E (like most psychedelics, but this one especially) will not give you anything without input, you have to give your mind something to play with and analyze. You can sit around and drool over the incredible visuals and have a blast, but IMO you'd be cheating yourself.
Go on a walk with a friend, or alone if you prefer to trip alone. 2C-E (like most psychedelics, but this one especially) will not give you anything without input, you have to give your mind something to play with and analyze. You can sit around and drool over the incredible visuals and have a blast, but IMO you'd be cheating yourself.
Xorkoth
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I agree, nearjat. This is true with most psychedelics but especially with 2C-E. I've had trips where I just sat around in front of my computer on large doses of 2C-E and never really got much of anything other than a body high an a few visuals. But take it outside in nature or during some other stimulating activity and you have a magical experience.
jimmyblaze1
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I wouldn't say this is so...maybe for you tho - but the first 2 times i did it I was just sitting in front of my computer chatting to someone else who was on it, then chattign to them on the phone - had very therapeutic/sensational/intensely visual trips both times...
Tried 8mg 2C-E the other night after having done 2C-B a bunch of times about 2.5 weeks ago and literally got fuck all off it! Which leads me to believe, as someone else has said alot earlier in the thread, that taking a step down after taking 2C-E then going back to it soon after can lead to extremely diminished effects...
I got no visuals, and some body sensations, but after 20 minutes of nothing much I sniffed 15mg 2C-B and was again tripping balls and feeling great about half hour later!! so I think I will stop doing 2C-x's before I try 2C-E again - I want the magic back again, not just the magic of 2C-B, as I have found I've been able to almost mute the therapeutic side of that (after 3 very contemplative trips) - which is quite scary, I don't want to take the piss out of either of these substances...
Someone dissuade me from IV'ing 10 mg tonite... I've planned to go with RA four times now but have never had a good opportunity due to chronic bowel problems I suffer from--nonetheless I hold out hope that tonite will be different, but it's doubtful. I've been insufflating it exclusively and haven't experienced any sort of nausea from quick onset.
Edit: Bah, I don't want to encounter any cardiovascular issues, so I won't IV it...
Edit: Bah, I don't want to encounter any cardiovascular issues, so I won't IV it...
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Never did notice that as well.
Has anybody of you experienced having a hard time when trying to sleep on 2CE?
I literally never had a problem with that. I can easily snort 10mg and 3 hours later fall into the deepest sleepstate i ever had... I wonder if I could reproduce that on LSD as well. I also reached the point where meditation and soberness are pushing me further than being intoxiated.
Has anybody of you experienced having a hard time when trying to sleep on 2CE?
I literally never had a problem with that. I can easily snort 10mg and 3 hours later fall into the deepest sleepstate i ever had... I wonder if I could reproduce that on LSD as well. I also reached the point where meditation and soberness are pushing me further than being intoxiated.
Never IV'd a 2C before... If I do with 2C-E (I probably won't, for a while at least), I won't go over 10 mg... That might sound a bit high to start, but I don't experience many negative side effects from large nasal doses, so I'd probably make it through it okay.
luvitstill15177
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2C-E is a weird experience. Mushrooms and LSD are the best hallucinogens of all, just based on the limited side affects. Personally, I always have problems with MDMA; like chest pain and over-stimulation. 2C-E seemed to have a similar load on the body as MDMA, without the depression afterwards. I don't typically have bad trips either, but with this chemical it seemed to become overwhelming every time. Very uncomfortable and moments of outright terror is how I would describe the trip. But, for someone more experienced I can see how the intense visuals and weirdness of it would be amazing. By the way, I took around 15mg my second time and will never touch it again.
So, I agree that this chemical is unlke anything else, very strange. I would recommend taking care of your emotional issues far before you consume this drug. ANyways, this is my first post so I'm trying to get a sense of the site.
So, I agree that this chemical is unlke anything else, very strange. I would recommend taking care of your emotional issues far before you consume this drug. ANyways, this is my first post so I'm trying to get a sense of the site.
jimmyblaze1
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or you could have it help you out with your emotional issues if you have a strong mind
And Ayvrios - how do you mean sober-minded?? Like I think I know what you mean but a lil elaboration mebe?
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I find my thoughts are remarkably clear on it, not at all clouded, even with a 20 mg RA dose. While quite stimulating, I can still basically maintain regular thought and conversation, something slightly to much more difficult, dose dependent, on other psychs. The primary effect on my thought processes from 2C-E is a tendency focus on the interrelatedness of things, which seem obvious (or sometimes outlandish), but profound and satisfying to ponder. Clarity of mind in contrast with colorful visuals and synaesthesia is what makes 2C-E quite unique to me.
Next time you dose, watch a YouTube video introducing quantum mechanics and their explanation that measurement alters that which is being measured. It is never so profoundly clear that observer and observed are in fact the same thing.
Another insight I had was when I was playing a video game and I noticed that for there to be a winning team, there had to be a losing team. The winning team's existence is completely dependent on the losing team's existence... and that's when I realized in full actuality that winning mattered only as much as losing.
2C-E is the greatest teacher I've ever had... absolutely profound brilliant wonderful stuff.
Question
Okay, So i have read the first 13 pages of this thread as well as the last couple pages and wanted to ask questions. I may be getting a bit of 2c-e very soon and was very interested in its therapeutic power. First off, let me say that i have some experience with Psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, salvia, and light 2c-b trips. I plan on taking a small dose of 2c-e when i get it and than working my way up to understand it more and gain knowledge of how it works. What I am really interested in tho is talking my father into trying it. He seems to be depressed because of a divorce that my parents are working out, him not really having anyone where we recently have moved too and may be losing the house. He binge drinks and takes OTC sleeping pills at night which worries me. I have asked him about his actions but he says not to worry about him and that he is fine. Also, my mom has asked him to get help and he wont because he gets offended about the whole seeing a psychiatrist/therapist thing, like he has issues or something. I really care about him and wondered if this would help at all open his eyes, not a large dose but maybe just something of threshold.
One of the reasons i have resorted to attempting this is because my own depression was cured using MDMA and LSD with friends. SSRI's and therapy helped a little but it was these drugs that really helped me get into my subconscious and make peace within myself.
Okay, So i have read the first 13 pages of this thread as well as the last couple pages and wanted to ask questions. I may be getting a bit of 2c-e very soon and was very interested in its therapeutic power. First off, let me say that i have some experience with Psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, salvia, and light 2c-b trips. I plan on taking a small dose of 2c-e when i get it and than working my way up to understand it more and gain knowledge of how it works. What I am really interested in tho is talking my father into trying it. He seems to be depressed because of a divorce that my parents are working out, him not really having anyone where we recently have moved too and may be losing the house. He binge drinks and takes OTC sleeping pills at night which worries me. I have asked him about his actions but he says not to worry about him and that he is fine. Also, my mom has asked him to get help and he wont because he gets offended about the whole seeing a psychiatrist/therapist thing, like he has issues or something. I really care about him and wondered if this would help at all open his eyes, not a large dose but maybe just something of threshold.
One of the reasons i have resorted to attempting this is because my own depression was cured using MDMA and LSD with friends. SSRI's and therapy helped a little but it was these drugs that really helped me get into my subconscious and make peace within myself.
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