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The Big & Dandy 2C-D Thread

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half an effective dose of each eg (orally) 30mg 2C-D; 6mg 2C-E & 3mg 2C-P
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Sure, that sounds interesting too. I would do it if I had access to all three of the chemicals, but alas, at the moment I can only get my hands on 2ce...

As for large dosages, the highest I've went on 2c's was 40mg of 2CI and I wouldn't want to go any higher at least on that particular substance. Too much bodyload.
 
Gaian Planes said:
well lets be careful and not apply comments we make about one drug to another. Yes they're pretty similar drugs, but I would NEVER take a high dose of 2CE like that (50+ mg). Whereas without hesitation I would take a high dose of 2CD. They are different drugs remember!
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Yes, of course... I'm just thinking of the one case of 100mg+ 2C-E usage that I know personally. That one outlier throws off my averages quite a bit! I think of that example more in the way of "Wow, look what the mind can handle..." and afterwards even he suggested 25mg as the most it would take to tear your mind to shreds.

I think 50mg of 2C-D would be the full psychedelic dose, like 15-20mg is for 2C-E... Of course going any higher leads to an exponentially stronger & more committing experience. I think it's interesting what will develop out of all these people trying different dosages and routes of administration... I wonder what the eyeballers will have to say to the precise measurers in 10 years time, haha.
 
^ it varies for each person...there is no general rule that I am aware of you can apply that would determine your tolerance to the drug...you must carefully experiment to find what dose is the maximum you want to safely use...baseline is just a contingent arrangement of receptors and monoamines...
 
If 2C-D is training wheels to 2C-E, then 2C-P is like the fuck off wheels with knives the Romans used to have attached to their chariots in battle etc. 2C-D is a nice introduction to the 4-alkyl 2C-x's (funnily enough, the addition of a simple alpha ,ethyl group to 2C-D turns it from a little lamb to a bull elephant in must - a real juggernaut of a psychedelic is DOM that'll steamroller anybody who tries to resist it

Mind you, the same thing turns happy go lucky 2C-B into a psychedelic torture instrument (DOB)! 8o
 
I've been wondering for a while, why didn't Shuglin name 2c-d, 2c-m? I haven't found any mention of the reasoning for this anywhere.
 
Swerz said:
2CD is fucking training wheels compared to the brutalness of 2CE
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I think it just has a much much slower dosage curve, compared to 2C-E's admitted nastiness (or potential greatness, depending on your angle) in the 20mg+ range. Remember Shulgin says that dosages "in the hundreds of milligrams" were explored in psychotherapy, that's probably what it would take to get into the league of what 25mg+ of 2C-E would bring. Keep in mind that this is just based on my totally subjective and limited experience of 2C-D at sub-50mg doses... Yeah.

Haha, I kindof like how 2C-B has a hidden kinky side, just with the addition of a sexy ethyl group, hehehe...
 
Has anyone used 2C-D as a nootropic? I read an article on erowid regarding the effectiveness of 2C-D on learning and retention when at about the 10 mg range. And if so, is it worth pursuing or is piracetam good enough?
 
I used 2cd at 10mg a couple of semesters ago while studying for astronomy finals. I've heard others mention, and found true with myself that it did help me study, slightly boosting my retention because it seemed to 'quiet the background noise'. Strange enough, the slight motivation I felt was easy to channel into the task at hand.

Mind you I only tried that once, so cannot make a truly empirical conclusion.

In light of this thread reviving my interest 40mg a piece were sprinkled on the brains of two willing participants who both had a great experience. It was stated that 40mg 2cd was more enjoyable than 35mg 2cb, and was not even close to being overwhelming.

That said, I probably would not use this as a nootropic again; rather, I would save it for a time and situation more special to its carnival nature: pinwheels and calliopes, windmills and galaxies all spinning around a white hot tiny singularity. I can only imagine the secrets that 2ce or DOM might unveil.
 
Erebus- said:
Has anyone used 2C-D as a nootropic? I read an article on erowid regarding the effectiveness of 2C-D on learning and retention when at about the 10 mg range. And if so, is it worth pursuing or is piracetam good enough?
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i ave used 2c-d as a nootropic alone and in conjunction with piracetam.
IMO, save your 2c-d to trip on and use piracetam as a nootropic.
 
I think it's effective as a nootropic, but the rapid tolerance build up makes it so you can't use it daily like some other nootropics.
 
Shakti said:
I've been wondering for a while, why didn't Shuglin name 2c-d, 2c-m? I haven't found any mention of the reasoning for this anywhere.
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I think it was because the letter m was reserved for mescaline.

Which is funny because no one calls mescaline "2C-M". But the alpha-methyl-analogue of mescaline would be 3C-M.
 
I think that had something to do with it, the order of when it came. However, DOM was already established name, so I do wonder why he didn't call it 2CM also.

Shulgin is a trip man...classic frazzled psychedelic scientist :D
 
Gaian Planes said:
I think that had something to do with it, the order of when it came. However, DOM was already established name, so I do wonder why he didn't call it 2CM also.

Shulgin is a trip man...classic frazzled psychedelic scientist :D
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He called it 2C-D because it is the 2-carbon analogue of DOM! Doh! :\
 
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