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The Big & Dandy 2C-C Thread

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I enjoy visuals as much as the next guy. believe me this took me by surprise, and I have a fair experience with a variety of substances, including high dose LSD and mushrooms, and even a 60 mg 2C-I experiment. I was not prepared for this. I couldn't shake the thought that somehow I was having an unpredictable reaction to an as of yet relatively untested research chem. I think this is a legitimate concern. 'balls' here is beside the point imo.

I don't have qualms about keeping xanax at hand. I'm glad others don't need it, but I know myself and I'm not ashamed to use it now and then. I know the dangers of benzos as well, having had a severe dependency on them. I have concurred that, know my body, and know my limits.

Happy tripping friends.
 
sub-di said:
I enjoy visuals as much as the next guy. believe me this took me by surprise, and I have a fair experience with a variety of substances, including high dose LSD and mushrooms, and even a 60 mg 2C-I experiment. I was not prepared for this. I couldn't shake the thought that somehow I was having an unpredictable reaction to an as of yet relatively untested research chem. I think this is a legitimate concern. 'balls' here is beside the point imo.

I don't have qualms about keeping xanax at hand. I'm glad others don't need it, but I know myself and I'm not ashamed to use it now and then. I know the dangers of benzos as well, having had a severe dependency on them. I have concurred that, know my body, and know my limits.

Happy tripping friends.
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I was only jokin bro :)

But if it makes you feel better, lots of people have taken doses 60-150 mgs of 2c-c many times and have been fine. There's very few accounts of anything bad happening from 2c-c. And as it is labeled a "research chemical", it has been around for a mighty long time. This level of anxiety from experiencing extreme intensity and visuals, so much that you had to take a xanax, is most likely due to taking benzos in the first place. It would be cool, but no, you don't know your own mind if you have to use benzos in any way other than while you're having a seizure. You know how to hide from your mind, but not how to deal with it. That panic sounds a lot like benzo panic. It really doesn't matter if you use them once a day or once a week, the rebound anxiety is guaranteed to pop up, especially when your using a psychedelic, which is increasing the activity in your brain. Being in any way dependent to stop your issues by turning off your brain with benzos has an output that hinders you spiritually, emotionally, pychologically, and philosophically, which then piles up and impacts you in a number of ways..

How do you view your experience differently than your high dose lsd trip? It seems like you just wigged yourself out this time dude. Don't worry about it too much. Try not having the benzos there and just deal with shit. They could be clouding your perception enough to not allow you to receive the full benefit of an experience..
 
no dude, notice that he's also a benzo user. He also took xanax at the end of his trip and that induced

"1mg alprazolam enables sleep at T 8:00, filled with dreams of mountains and green fields and the crystal energies of the liquid sky. "

Benzos interfering with trips is a common issue that, in some way, is perceived as either beneficial or to the detriment of the experience. So as a result of that, it's quite obvious to me, who has used benzos and tripped while perscribed unperscribed, years after detoxing from them, and even before it happen, what the cause of the issue was.

It doesn't even have to be the pharmacological effects of the drug, but the psychological profile associated with use, both legal and illegal, that is very well documented. Psychedelics change things, benzos keep them the same and sedated. Even the option of having them available subconsciously effects you. It's like only drinking one drink a week but having a bar with every liquor known to man stocked in it. Not going to happen if it gets down to it. Which it did. So at any point that things get difficult in the area the user associates with needing to use a benzo, that is the first thought that will enter their mind, no matter what they choose in the end. This ends to a mean that dilutes our consciousness being in there causes a great defect in normal skills of dealing with anxiety, or thought loops, etc whatever you'd like to call your "issue".

The power of thought creates the world. If you think too much and don't really know how to think, you're viewed as someone who needs their brainwaves decreased and then you need to learn to be that decreased human. Use that intense force within you elsewhere. Channel it somewhere to benefit you instead of making you worry. There's really nothing to worry about. Don't accept what your doctor tells you. It's their job to keep you a mental slave. Why do you think we're the only country in the entire world that advocates benzos so much? Even in countries where they're otc people know what they are and don't use them unless they realllyyy need to.
 
I consider myself an experienced psichs user and I don´t have any problem eating a benzo if a trip goes out of hand. I´d prefer that to cops/ambulances any day of the week.
Sometimes you know your limits by going over them and its more than nice to know you have some sort of safety belt.
Some people trip for spiritual awakenings/therapy, but most just trip because its fun, and who wants to have a sucky panicky trip?
 
Propyl Power said:
^ I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his experience...

Here the illustrious nanobrain reports of an unexpectedly intense and anxious reaction to just 24 mg of 2C-C:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=44136
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I wonder how I missed this report? That was beautifully written, and very close to my experience, actually. I could not enjoy music either, which added to the frustration and anxiety. Everything was melting, and there was indeed an electrical "noise" to everything, which I described as a compression effect.
 
ColinGibs said:
I was only jokin bro :)

But if it makes you feel better, lots of people have taken doses 60-150 mgs of 2c-c many times and have been fine. There's very few accounts of anything bad happening from 2c-c. And as it is labeled a "research chemical", it has been around for a mighty long time. This level of anxiety from experiencing extreme intensity and visuals, so much that you had to take a xanax, is most likely due to taking benzos in the first place. It would be cool, but no, you don't know your own mind if you have to use benzos in any way other than while you're having a seizure. You know how to hide from your mind, but not how to deal with it. That panic sounds a lot like benzo panic. It really doesn't matter if you use them once a day or once a week, the rebound anxiety is guaranteed to pop up, especially when your using a psychedelic, which is increasing the activity in your brain. Being in any way dependent to stop your issues by turning off your brain with benzos has an output that hinders you spiritually, emotionally, pychologically, and philosophically, which then piles up and impacts you in a number of ways..

How do you view your experience differently than your high dose lsd trip? It seems like you just wigged yourself out this time dude. Don't worry about it too much. Try not having the benzos there and just deal with shit. They could be clouding your perception enough to not allow you to receive the full benefit of an experience..
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I don't know if there is any medical basis to claim that rebound anxiety can occur with occasional low dose benzo use, psychedelics or no. Believe me, I know what rebound anxiety feels like, and this was not it. You need to be at a fairly significant dose for an extended period of time to reach this state. I am not even close to that; due to my history I am hyper-aware it it's becoming a problem. I am mindful of the potential for benzos becoming a crutch, or a hindrance to my growth. I view them as a tool, one of many, and am experienced enough to not let them be the master of me.

I admit I still haven't figured everything out, but I have grown a lot in the last few years. I gave up pot (probably the biggest thing holding me back from dealing with anxiety), and have started to study yoga and meditation. I just recently started tripping again, which may or may not be a good idea, but it's another part of my journey, we'll see where it leads me.
 
Or even the cannabis. In fact my only full-blown panic attack has been from pot, actually much, much worse than my 2c-c malfunction.
 
sub-di said:
I don't know if there is any medical basis to claim that rebound anxiety can occur with occasional low dose benzo use, psychedelics or no. Believe me, I know what rebound anxiety feels like, and this was not it. You need to be at a fairly significant dose for an extended period of time to reach this state. I am not even close to that; due to my history I am hyper-aware it it's becoming a problem. I am mindful of the potential for benzos becoming a crutch, or a hindrance to my growth. I view them as a tool, one of many, and am experienced enough to not let them be the master of me.

I admit I still haven't figured everything out, but I have grown a lot in the last few years. I gave up pot (probably the biggest thing holding me back from dealing with anxiety), and have started to study yoga and meditation. I just recently started tripping again, which may or may not be a good idea, but it's another part of my journey, we'll see where it leads me.
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not really actually. Think of it like drinking a couple beers one night. Your brain chemistry will not be stabilized until a few days after. There really isn't a way to use them without distrupting your normal flow of life. Believe me and trust me and the voices of many others, especially if you're getting into meditation and yoga, which is awesome, and all you really need. Benzos will seriously interfere with your process of meditation. You will need to remove them from your life if you wish to go down a path of meditation. It will set you back repeatedly. I used them for a number of years, and trust me, you will learn to cope with every single situation that gets thrown at you. We're part of this earth. You will be in the worst situation in your entire life, and you will behave and feel exactly the same as you would normally.

Lay of the benzos dude. Trip more. It will teach you how to be again. Just my advice.
 
^^^^^
I appreciate the advice and will take it into consideration. I will leave it at that, so as not to derail this thread from its subject any further.

I would still advise anyone to not jump headfirst into this material, I say the jury is still out on what influence benzos had here.
 
I don't find it too hard on the ol' shnozz - only easier 2C I've sniffed is 2C-D - but others find it pretty painful. Compared to some 2Cs it's a fair amount of powder to sniff but still way less than a line of coke, speed or whatever and not even close to the pain levels of 2C-E or even 2C-I, in my opinion. Even if it is sore the massive increase in effects (for me and many others I've dosed with it that way) makes for a relatively small amount of pain for a whole shitload of gain. I highly recommend mixing it with ketamine for the ultimate Technicolor K-Hole - Ketakombo ftw :D
 
Is it advisable to start with 30mg of 2c-c? orally that is

I have experience with 2c-i/e about 3 or 4 times each, as well as a handful of mushroom and lsd trips. I know taking something that you haven't taken before is in no way 'advisable', but this chem seems so soft and easygoing that I'd rather jump into a moderate dose rather than have a lackluster experience.

btw, I did a 1mg allergy test the other day and it came back negative.
 
McTwist said:
Is it advisable to start with 30mg of 2c-c? orally that is

I have experience with 2c-i/e about 3 or 4 times each, as well as a handful of mushroom and lsd trips. I know taking something that you haven't taken before is in no way 'advisable', but this chem seems so soft and easygoing that I'd rather jump into a moderate dose rather than have a lackluster experience.
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Someone with prior 2C-I and 2C-E experience should not have any problem with 30 mg of 2C-C. Chances are, you will probably end up being able to handle much more, especially if you handled your 2C-I and 2C-E trips well.
 
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