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The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

What [b]in your experience[/b] would be a maximum responsible buccal dose for 25I?

  • up to 500 μg

    Votes: 9 8.1%

  • up to 750 μg

    Votes: 17 15.3%

  • up to 1000 μg

    Votes: 32 28.8%

  • up to 1500 μg

    Votes: 30 27.0%

  • up to 2000 μg

    Votes: 14 12.6%

  • a dose higher than 2000 μg

    Votes: 9 8.1%
  • Total voters
    111
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If it's in a baggy you could dissolve it in solution via dipping the bag into the solution, then once it's dissolved you can remove the bag and later slowly evaporate off the solution to re-obtain powder. Now you can weigh that up and make your new solution in which you know the mg/ml or ug/ml :)

As for the scale, there's this one for $23: http://dx.com/p/digital-jewellery-scale-10g-2060?item=2 - it's certainly not the best scale you can get but when compared with a $45 scale it seemed the more accurate of the two. If you want to look at other options, head on over to the Scale & Balance Thread and you can find some great suggestions there :)
 
Worth noting that the guy who died from one drop was apparently hungover and had been drinking vodka + energy drinks all night. Caffeine, sleep deprivation and hangovers all lower the seizure threshold so even if that was a normal dose of 25I I cannot be entirely surprised.
 
Hello all very new here, but not new to the sceane at all. A little info about myself I am very profesional and not really into well a great deal of recreational 'research'.. currently. In my past I was what most would call an old school raver. Stayed far far away from alot of things that I did not really like the look of such as K. and some other things as well.

candy flipped plenty of times and everything I have read about 25I has peaked my general interest. I tried E mailing one site and have heard NOTHING, nada. I was just interested in a very small amount say 11 to 10mg. Not sure if this amount was just too small as I have heard alot about these group orders..... is it normal to get ignored or is it possible this site while up is now just defunct????

I have no interest in the blotter as I would be a bit freaked out receiving that in the mail in the US... raises to many eyebrows if noticed in my opinion..... I figure a tiny little spec of powder would get to me un noticed.... 11mg in HCL has to be very small.

I would carefully split this in half, and then half again..... for a fun night for me and my wife.... when our kids are being baby sat away from us. Like I said, i'm oldschool yo.... came up in the "it" parties in Philly in the early 90's when underground was underground....


any info on a reliable site would be helpful... and yes I know all of that would have to be through PM


Cheers!!
 
Don't even bother with the powder unless you have top range scales and the knowledge to use them properly. Trying to eyeball NBOMes is almost a death wish and to me indicates a severe underestimation of the amounts involved and the risks of overdose.

Blotters are a touch more expensive but there is a much lower risk of error and they're still really cheap. Neither will be noticed by customs, especially ordering from within the US.

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This is what 600ug of 25I looks like. It is a pathetic amount and there is no way anyone could safely measure that without the appropriate equipment.
 
Weadazoid, you'll be lucky to get 11mg out of the bag. See my previous posts and Jesusgreen. I had to wash mine out with vodka to get 20mg out, only way to empty it all out. I kept mine in solution but even if you followed Jesus' advice and evaporated off your solvent to recover the powder it is most certainly not choppable down by eye. Just impossible. Transform's post shows exactly why. You're gonna be able to eye-ball amounts that small accurately and evenly? I think not!
 
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Weadazoid, you'll be lucky to get 11mg out of the bag. See my previous posts and Jesusgreen. I had to wash mine out with vodka to get 20mg out, only way to empty it all out. I kept mine in solution but even if you followed Jesus' advice and evaporated off your solvent to recover the powder it is most certainly not choppable down by eye. Just impossible. Transform's post shows exactly why. You're gonna be able to eye-ball amounts that small accurately and evenly? I think not!
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well the site I was checking out said it would be happy to place it in a glass vile.


but just so you know I do have a very good scale...... it measures the weight gains on thin strips of chemically streangthened glass after an ION exchange has taken place.


I figured it would be tiny. I would start with 1mg in solution held under my toung. A bit less for my wife probably .700mg for her, considering she weighs alot less.


Now keep in mind I am experienced, I would keep this thing alocated to a day event, plenty of sunshine and warmth to start, on a day when we could just walk around..... I would have a nice safe simple hotel room rented for a safe spot so speak..... . In reading about this I would think walking around a place like longwood gardens would be hype.... my wife kinda nixed that though.... said with something so new..... better to avoid a public place.... I suppose she is right, so oh well....maybe not. trust me we would think this thing out first.


I write the way I think in forums, hope that doesn't get to anoying


like I said as an oldschool raver who had lots of money (yeah I was spoiled) I know a wouldn't be 'satisfied with' a threashold does so speak..... neither would my wife. But I wouldn't be stupid about this. he interest.... like I said keeps things very inconspicuous I would think....
 
Fair enough. Standard advice would still be to start lower. There are TRs I've read where users have found even 0.5mg overwhelming, vasoconstriction can be severe with the stuff at much above 1mg IME. Having said that I don't do things by halves trip wise either, I want full effects so I started at 1mg with no problems and have worked up from that since. I don't think 1mg an unreasonable starting point but it could be quite intense at that depending on individual sensitivity I think.
 
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Fair enough. Standard advice would still be to start lower. There are TRs I've read where users have found even 0.5mg overwhelming, vasoconstriction can be severe with the stuff at much above 1mg IME. Having said that I don't do things by halves trip wise either, I want full effects so I started at 1mg with no problems and have worked up from that since. I don't think 1mg an unreasonable starting point but it could be quite intense at that depending on individual sensitivity I think.
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I appreciate honesty. Even though it has been a rather long time for me and my wife the last time we did anything was like 2 years ago,.... very good very pure MDA..... dropped 2 each and in all honesty we both felt it was just kinda.... too mellow. I used to have a chemsit connection for gel caps... anyone from Philly in the summer of 95 would remember the gel caps cut with tons of vitamin C and a little bit of brown and orange goup at the bottom ... that was the real deal E bombs... take more then 3 at one time and one was bound to peak..... so hard that things simply leveled out and you felt 100% sober bout 5 hours in...... only to drop back into some serious rolls a half hour later..... a freind of mine described it perfectly..... that despite feeling increadible and obviously under the influence, he felt as though he could carry on a perfectly 'normal' conversation if needed..... That stuff created the coolest visuals I have ever seen.... my jeans danced with a paisly pattern on several occaisions..... just looking at denim was AMAZINg.


they were more then just rolls though.... the chemist told me if I ever got popped holding some to just deny everything.... call it vitamin C cause they would never test out as anything elicit.... I guess he was ahead of his time.
 
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weadazoid said:
I appreciate honesty. Even though it has been a rather long time for me and my wife the last time we did anything was like 2 years ago,.... very good very pure MDA..... dropped 2 each and in all honesty we both felt it was just kinda.... too mellow. I used to have a chemsit connection for gel caps... anyone from Philly in the summer of 95 would remember the gel caps cut with tons of vitamin C and a little bit of brown and orange goup at the bottom ... that was the real deal E bombs... take more then 3 at one time and one was bound to peak..... so hard that things simply leveled out and you felt 100% sober bout 5 hours in...... only to drop back into some serious rolls a half hour later..... a freind of mine described it perfectly..... that despite feeling increadible and obviously under the influence, he felt as though he could carry on a perfectly 'normal' conversation if needed..... That stuff created the coolest visuals I have ever seen.... my jeans danced with a paisly pattern on several occaisions..... just looking at denim was AMAZINg.


they were more then just rolls though.... the chemist told me if I ever got popped holding some to just deny everything.... call it vitamin C cause they would never test out as anything elicit.... I guess he was ahead of his time.
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Those "e bombs" sound like 2c-e or possibly another 2c-*
 
Anyone have any suggestions for lowering blood pressure/vasoconstriction on these compounds? Weed would be the obvious first thought but in some cases weed can raise your heart rate significantly enough to make it worse.

I'm asking because 1mg was a nice level for me but far from the intensity I wanted. I have heard great things about 2-3mg doses and want to try 2-2.5mg, but after trying 25C-NBOMe recently at 1.2mg and noticing how high my blood pressure got, I'm very cautious about the idea of pushing the dosage so high. It seems due to the higher potency of 25C-NBOMe that people are running into problems at significantly lower doses, but 2.5mg is still quite a lot and as such I want to be as cautious as possibly if I do decide to approach such a dose.

(all dosages talked about are buccal)

I was thinking alcohol might be a better bet for vasodilation, and it'd also take the edge off the come up as in my experience the NBOMe come ups are the most difficult to deal with part of the trip. I'd have to keep it at a small amount though since I wouldn't want to dull the experience.
 
Transform, is it better to take something to counter it, or just ride it out? I ask because I find 25I very vasoconstricting during the come-up, very cold extremities, tremor pronounced at high doses but this passes once peaked, about an hour in maybe with nasal ROA. I would be concerned that taking anything to counter that may have me going too far the other way once it's passed? Not familiar with Arginine but generally speaking?

Jesus, on a recent experiment pushing dose I found as per the above 2mg was strongly vasoconstricting, but once into peak I was able to redose another 2mg around 3 hours in and take the trip to the level I wanted without suffering any additional discomfort, or none worth mentioning anyways. Very, very minor. Repeated same dosing pattern again a week later and found the same, though tolerance had kicked in by this point so effects were generally diminished somewhat from the previous weekend's excursion anyways. I've had pronounced tremor at 1mg and up really, I highly doubt I could jump straight in at 4mg, it would be too extreme, but I think this must be the way forward though when dosing high.

Oh, and Jesus I smoked weed during the come up on my two most recent successful experiments with the 25I, cannot say if there was any improvement at all. Not looking out for a before and after kinda thing with it but think I would have noticed a substantial improvement all the same? I cared less about it though, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending which way you look at it? ;) Will test properly next spin out after my current little tolerance break.
 
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25I-NBOMe Trip Report

The following is a small summary of some data I've collected on 25I-NBOMe after 2 friends and I decided to take some of a solution of 25I I dissolved in peach vodka.

The distribution in the vial was approx. 1mg/ml with 35% ethanol.
All doses were administered sublingually/buccally via graduated syringe and were held in mouth for the duration of 25 minutes.
I took 1mg, then 1mg 45 minutes later. I weighed 174lbs and ended up tripping at about a +++.
Friend 1 took 1mg, then 0.5mg 45 minutes later. He weighed about 139lbs and tripped a ++/+++.
Friend 2 took 1mg but swallowed some or most of that dose so added 0.5mg, then 1mg 45 minutes later, then 1mg 2 hours after that. At a weight of about 153lbs, he tripped a ++/+++.

My hypothesis based on that data is that 25mcg/kg is the average threshold for a +++ experience.
Furthermore, dosing later than an hour after the first dose is almost ineffective.
Take your whole dose at once, and never take more than 5mg unless you're certain your body (not just your mind) is equipped for the experience.
The last thing the world needs is more comas and organ failures.
 
Arginine is supposed to be quite shortlived and is safe for use normally when you're not on anything so I would be quite comfortable using it with 25I without worrying about overcorrection.
 
Well, Nexus was around just a few years later so maybe it is possible but 94 to 95 seems early for a 2c. The caps were filled with powedered vitamin C, just tiny bit of brown at the bottom was the chemical that worked you.


Also of note it was far more powerful when dancing.... the chemist told me it was 'designed' to basically combine with adrenalin naturally to help activate the more E like effects.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Anyone have any suggestions for lowering blood pressure/vasoconstriction on these compounds? Weed would be the obvious first thought but in some cases weed can raise your heart rate significantly enough to make it worse.
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Oral Minoxidil may work because it's an OTC vasodilator. Ibuprofen oddly seems to help some, but that may be more symptom treatment than cause treatment.
 
ok i got a dilemma, my 25i is freebase unlike all my other 25x which are HCl and pretty easy to solve in dh2o+ethanol for a nasal spray pumper.
so how do i dissolve the freebase powder for nasal spray application? do i use a weak acid like 5% vinegar with dh2o? or citric acid?

i'm not that savy to be able to convert it to a salt i must admit. a simple "household" solution that can be absorbed would be sufficent, since i'm already experienced with my nasal spray pumps and how to prepare a solution for them.

please help!
 
Yeah, you can use vinegar, or a solution of citric acid. Add it a drop at a time until all of your material dissolves, then you can add whatever other solvent you want to use.
 
You might want to use a bit of ethanol during conversion to the salt. That should increase the solubility of the freebase in the acidic solution, thus increasing the speed of the reaction - at least a bit in theory.
 
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