I'm gonna have to disagree with this Solipsis, just IME, LSD layers are just as retarded, the hits often come totally variable in potency because of inexact laying and drying methods. It's just LSD layers can get away with more retarded shit because the safety profile is so awesome for LSD. The kind of variability from these imprecise methods when 25i is layed can have much more devastating negative effects.
I'd be interested how you could know for a fact that is true not only for the region (you can draw a big radius) around you but the rest of the world as well? Do you know - no need to share with us how - that these methods used are indeed wrong or are you inferring this from the quality of product you are handed?
In all fairness, I am only basing this on assumptions as well, namely that the availability of LSD crystal is protected enough to filter out a number of ignorants and leave the committed ones who understand how to do it, learn from being showed or are persistent enough to get it right. I associate those things and think it's very different from NBOMe's which due to public availability you know everyone has access to.
Should we similarly assume that the only ones who are going to be attempting to lay blotter with easily procured NBOMe's have a correlated subset of probable character traits? In other words is the same percentage of dumbasses weeded out?
Logical patterns speak to me more than anecdotal / small scale evidence does.
Your argument about LSD layers being able to get away with much more is solid, but it is entirely without proof that LSD layers need to get away with anything. My experiences with LSD sheets or part of them, over the years, is quite positive regarding the care used to make it.
So I am not saying I refuse to believe you, I am asking you what your evidence and reasoning is because it makes absolutely all the difference. My acid has been good, yours has been bad. You may be cursed by retarded people in your whereabouts or there may be something else I am not seeing. Like the possibility that my contacts have always ignored available bad acid and selected the good batches.
@Pengus, have you listed physical side-effects that were potentially dangerous when you breathed in the compound, in this thread already? Otherwise I'd like to hear it. People with - sorry to say - moronic bad experiences or even trainwrecks are welcome to recall what happened and recount symptoms in particular.
I couldn't care less about disrespectful posts (up to a certain point of proper conduct of course, as always!) or anger about the danger you put yourself and the community (maybe firstly the scientific one but of course also ours) into...
Your mistakes can prevent future mistakes!
As for how people lay this, while I agree that some people laying LSD aren't very good at it, but with 25I-NBOMe being incredibly easy for even some 15 year old who's never tried it before to get their hands on and lay onto blotter, there are going to be far more mistakes made and that combined with this not having anywhere near the safety profile of LSD is going to lead to a lot of people getting hurt I think.
Agreed, but I approached this the other way around, not from the perspective of random blotter and the possibility of a 15-year old, but a psychedelic user who hopefully is warned after what can be read in PD and the possibility of a blotter with known dose.
Well, your own personal measuring skills can trump untrustworthy badly laid NBOMe blotters - yes it's possible.
Or proper homogeneous NBOMe blotters can trump personal skills of a user, or what is more likely: the lack thereof.
So going on the chance that a random willing person is able to safely figure out how to handle powder, I made the judgement that blotter may actually be preferred on average over suggesting that people figure it out.
If both powder and blotter are available to a user and you do not have the info that this user has any experience or skills with chem handling, which ones are you more likely to suggest to this user, JG?
