The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (2nd edition)

[Axed]

if the blotters are not complexed I would assume your trip will not be overwhelming even at 1mg

How do you know whether or not they are complexed?

 

[Solipsis]

There is probably a way to test if the product can be dissolved with a certain solvent that only works with complexed product, then doing something like a TLC test, in other words not something you can just easily do at home unless you are at least a kitchen chemist.

You know if it's complexed when they mention it when it's sold or given to you, if nothing is mentioned it probably is not complexed but you should assume it is anyway - just in case... and include that in your dosage calculation.

 

[zn13bt]

It only has to be complexed if it's freebase. The uncomplexed blotters you had that worked best was most certainly in the HCl form.

Or you add a food-grade acid to the freebase to convert it to a salt. Complexing is not the only way, or even necessarily the best way, to get the freebase to be bioavailable. There's no evidence that cyclodextrin works any better than just adding some vinegar to the freebase.

 

[zn13bt]

A good trick I've noticed with NBOMe blotters is to keep your head a bit down, with your face downwards. This way saliva won't go into your throat as easily, even if you don't swallow for some 15-20 minutes.

I've noticed if I put the blotter on my upper gum then I only get a little bit of saliva, and it's a small enough amount that I don't have to worry about swallowing it or not, the trip won't be diminished if I do. Actually I think it's better to swallow the spit with buccal admin because if I hold it in the whole time then the nasty bitter taste spreads all over my mouth and it's harder to get rid of it afterwards.

 

[zn13bt]

I read Tregar's posts so I believed complexing is important so I ordered some 25C blotters complexed with cyclodextrin. I have some other blotters from a different vendor that were not complexed and the non complexed blotters were stronger. Maybe they carried more drug, I don't know. But in my experience I got good results with blotters there were not complexed.

According to tregar's posts it seems you have to agitate the solution for a good amount of time if you're going to go the complexing route, otherwise only a little bit of the cyclodextrin hooks up with the 25I molecules (but I'm just a kitchen chemist so I could be totally misunderstanding that...). So if your vendor didn't mix things enough then maybe that's what went wrong with the complexed blotters? I don't know. But I agree with you about non-complexed blotters, they work just fine if the freebase is converted to a salt first. It's weird that there's this persistent belief that NBOMes must be complexed or else they won't work at all....in my experience that's definitely not true. (Of course, if vendors hadn't started out selling freebase 25I mislabeled as HCl salt, a lot of this confusion could've been avoided in the first place...)

I have a theory that under the tongue is not ideal because there's too much spit down there. You want to keep the saliva away from the blotter as much as you can because drug molecules that wind up in the saliva may end up wasted in the stomach instead of being absorbed into the mouth. So I apply them up high between the upper jaw and cheek after cleaning the area with a toothbrush first. Then I sit quietly without eating or drinking to keep the saliva away from the blotter.

Yep, that's basically what I do too. Actually sometimes I forget to do the toothbrush thing first, and it still works well (as long as I haven't eaten something right beforehand ).

 

[biffhenderson]

There is probably a way to test if the product can be dissolved with a certain solvent that only works with complexed product, then doing something like a TLC test, in other words not something you can just easily do at home unless you are at least a kitchen chemist.

You know if it's complexed when they mention it when it's sold or given to you, if nothing is mentioned it probably is not complexed but you should assume it is anyway - just in case... and include that in your dosage calculation.

Something interesting is, the complexed 500 mic 25C blotters had no taste at all. The others had a strong chemical taste. I'm pretty sure that the reason the first blotters had no taste is because of the cyclodextrin. If I understand this, it covers up the drug molecule like a sugar condem and that's why it had no taste. Cyclodextrin is the ingredient in Fabreze, the stuff you spray in the bathroom to cover the stank. It's kind of cool. The little cyclodextrin molecules look like tube shaped donuts and when they come in contact with the shit molecules floating in the air, they "complex" the shit molecule and cover it like a condom. When said cyclodextrin complexed turd molecule gets inhaled, like a miracle, you don't smell it.

Isn't science cool, and sorry for going so off topic

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

Will cyclodextrin complexed 25i then be tasteless?

 

[dextrous]

Will cyclodextrin complexed 25i then be tasteless?

Why do you want it to be tasteless? Trying to pass it off as LSD??


Complexed blotters are extremely bitter. I've made 25i blotters as per tregar's post, to a tee. The blotters are extremely bitter. Even touching one to your tongue and you'll taste the bitterness

 

[escape20]

I know this is a bit off-topic but has anyone tried 25B? I got some in HCL form and i'm looking forward to trying it soon. But I could barely find any trip reports on it. I hope it's not a letdown compared to 25I but i'm thinking it will be. Oh well i'm always down to try good new RC's.

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

Why do you want it to be tasteless? Trying to pass it off as LSD??

Dude, chill out. I'm so sick of this whole argument, everyone knows misrepresentation is wrong; not to mention you're asking me if I'm selling illegal drugs (like burn bags of crack is still considered crack).

Maybe I just don't like that bitter chemical taste? Maybe it's information I haven't seen before, and I wanted it verified?

 

[IGNVS]

trippers gonna trip, i dont think anyones actually trying to start a fight on the internet, thats silly. <this face didnt exist the last time i visited the site. maybe people are hmmmmmmm


edit: ohyeah. 25i is some interesting stuff, at lighter doses (500mcg) you get a nice light trip that comes up feeling fast and a little like mdma leading to a euphoric feeling and mellowness. light visuals. comedowns a little spacy but nothing too bad. at moderately strong doses (1500) you get a nice strong trip full with never ending fractal warping and altering color in reaction-diffusionesque patterning. a theme comes up and it spares no time for anything but lsd like profundity in thought. at this dose its a little more taxing on the body, with strange and quick heart beats and a strong energy buildup in the head. raging vibes for so long you dont know if youll ever come down, but then you do, but are you? maybe. yeah. nope. ok. cant sleep, thoughts still crazy.. then your good to go after about 12 hours after dosing. i can see how tremors at higher doses could lead to seizing. the stuff is smooth but can get funky and a little spazy at times. its like a race in the mind! full on psychedelic.



i also had a friend take what i believe could only have been 25i at a music festival. a full dropper got put on his tongue that could have been any dose, but he wound up in the hospital for a few days with organ failure after he was revived from the dead. another friend that took it and survived (at the same dose) had the most intense trip of his life, with complete ego loss for hours n end. this stuff treats different people differently and should never be taken to extremes.

 

[JaneDoe2290]

strange and quick heart beats and a strong energy buildup in the head.



i also had a friend take what i believe could only have been 25i at a music festival. a full dropper got put on his tongue that could have been any dose, but he wound up in the hospital for a few days with organ failure after he was revived from the dead. another friend that took it and survived (at the same dose) had the most intense trip of his life, with complete ego loss for hours n end. this stuff treats different people differently and should never be taken to extremes.

What do you mean strange heartbeats? Like palpitations, out of rhythm, what?

Also, your friend had ORGAN FAILURE?! That's pretty serious man! How are you so sure it was nbome? As far as I know, psychedelics don't really effect most of your bodily organs in such a way...I could see ketamine or something like that causing organ failure (Kidneys?) but psychedelics? That seems off. I could of course be wrong though. Could you expand more upon this for us?

 

[jaurk]

What the fuck, organ failure?
Well, that's another to my "bad experiences with 25i" list.

I did 1mg last night, was probably around 700-800ug though.
If I stared at something for long enough, it'd start going into a liquid.
My clock's tick pitch changed every tick.
I could see very ver faint small fractals under eyelids.

Music sounded pretty good, I could hear each instrument, not any real descontruction of the layers.
Just very clear instruments were seperated.

Will do 2mg soon.
Bit of vasoconstriction.
Also, my legs would not stop moving, was so fucking annoying.

Tracers were insane.

 

[eLeSaH]

trippers gonna trip, i dont think anyones actually trying to start a fight on the internet, thats silly. <this face didnt exist the last time i visited the site. maybe people are hmmmmmmm


edit: ohyeah. 25i is some interesting stuff, at lighter doses (500mcg) you get a nice light trip that comes up feeling fast and a little like mdma leading to a euphoric feeling and mellowness. light visuals. comedowns a little spacy but nothing too bad. at moderately strong doses (1500) you get a nice strong trip full with never ending fractal warping and altering color in reaction-diffusionesque patterning. a theme comes up and it spares no time for anything but lsd like profundity in thought. at this dose its a little more taxing on the body, with strange and quick heart beats and a strong energy buildup in the head. raging vibes for so long you dont know if youll ever come down, but then you do, but are you? maybe. yeah. nope. ok. cant sleep, thoughts still crazy.. then your good to go after about 12 hours after dosing. i can see how tremors at higher doses could lead to seizing. the stuff is smooth but can get funky and a little spazy at times. its like a race in the mind! full on psychedelic.



i also had a friend take what i believe could only have been 25i at a music festival. a full dropper got put on his tongue that could have been any dose, but he wound up in the hospital for a few days with organ failure after he was revived from the dead. another friend that took it and survived (at the same dose) had the most intense trip of his life, with complete ego loss for hours n end. this stuff treats different people differently and should never be taken to extremes.

Unknown dosage of an unknown compound and you gonna have a bad time. How can you know it's 25i? A dropper is not dosing properly for me. It's not nice to spread such shit without even KNOWING it was 25i or what else. You just create a bad atmosphere.

 

[Axed]

Alright, so I want to take my 25i tabs this week, and get the best possible trip out of it. That's where you guys come in. Correct me if I'm wrong on the dosing procedure:

Stick both tabs in between upper lip and gum. Let it hang out there for 20 min, don't swallow saliva. After 20 min, eat. Then proceed to understand the universe.

Sounds about right?

 

[SONN]

Stick both tabs in between upper lip and gum. Let it hang out there for 20 min, don't swallow saliva. After 20 min, eat. Then proceed to understand the universe.

Sounds about right?

are they complexed? was the solvent alcohol or water? and Its not a big deal to swallow your saliva as long as its just the saliva sitting in the back of throat not the stuff that is touching the tabs. I think that you should keep it in for 35 mins just to be safe, hell I even had a friend that kept his in for like an hour lol.

also, if you feel like its fully absorbed you don't necessarily have to eat it. I spit mine out once or twice.

 

[Axed]

are they complexed? was the solvent alcohol or water? and Its not a big deal to swallow your saliva as long as its just the saliva sitting in the back of throat not the stuff that is touching the tabs. I think that you should keep it in for 35 mins just to be safe, hell I even had a friend that kept his in for like an hour lol.

also, if you feel like its fully absorbed you don't necessarily have to eat it. I spit mine out once or twice.

I'm not sure if they're complexed-- the vendor said nothing about that, so I'm going to assume no. Although I can shoot him an email now and ask.
And I don't know what you mean by solvent.

 

[SONN]

they had to start with a powder(HCl or freebase) then turn it to a liquid(alcohol or water) then absorb it into the paper that way. I'm guessing they used ethyl alcohol, which is what I used. I also had HCl

 

[IamMe90]

Alright, so I want to take my 25i tabs this week, and get the best possible trip out of it. That's where you guys come in. Correct me if I'm wrong on the dosing procedure:

Stick both tabs in between upper lip and gum. Let it hang out there for 20 min, don't swallow saliva. After 20 min, eat. Then proceed to understand the universe.

Sounds about right?

There is no point in eating it, the active portion of the dose is going to be absorbed through the mucal membrane.

 

[biffhenderson]

Originally Posted by Axed
Alright, so I want to take my 25i tabs this week, and get the best possible trip out of it. That's where you guys come in. Correct me if I'm wrong on the dosing procedure:

Stick both tabs in between upper lip and gum. Let it hang out there for 20 min, don't swallow saliva. After 20 min, eat. Then proceed to understand the universe.

Sounds about right?

You will not have any different understanding of the universe, but don't have any plans for about 12 hours.