The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

[psood0nym]

I'd also add that my one experience with psilocin and 70mg of ketamine resulted in a fair degree of amnesia--pointless.

 

[Delsyd]

well, then perhaps im wrong.
maybe some people get nothing out of it.

psoodonym, you use the ketamine during the peak of your trip right?

i've actually never tried that, i usually save it for the comedown.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i think you are underdosing if what you are looking for is a ketamine trip with psychedelic and spiritual significance.

Your dose is under what most would consider a k-hole.

if i were you id give it a shot (pun intended) in the 200-250mg range.

just try it once, for me baby

i'll try it for you baby

but the thing is I don't think I would be underdosing all this time, because I find it very impossible to move out of a laying down position and I find it impossible to sense much of anything like smell or taste or feeling my body. I'm pretty much totally numb to everything. I find it hard to even open my eyes tbh.

 

[psood0nym]

Delsyd: I typically dissolve a psilocin dose in with the shot of ketamine, or do the psilocin beforehand, almost always IM.

Strangely, despite the consensus of its inferiority, I do get psychedelic effects from DXM alone--though K with a 5-HT is far superior than DXM with a 5-HT for me. Just brain chemistry I guess.

I might try another high dose of ketamine alone sometime soon. It's been many years since that 200mg shot, and brain chemistry definitely changes with age.

EDIT: BTW there's a greenlighter (I think BD's girlfriend?) who recently posted a psilocin ketamine report in TR.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ that last statement is something we can all surely agree on.

 

[KinkyKetter]

LSD and K is amazing and everyone that I now that doesn’t hate K agrees. Instead of the walls melting, you take a bump of K and the walls disappear. Haha. K may take away from LSDs more spiritual side though. I never understood what was so special about LSD because the first 2-3x I did it was with K but I’ve never K-hole’d on it. With K (and 2c-b) LSD was nothing but pretty colors for me then the first time I did LSD without anything else it was an amazing spiritually rewarding experience. Next time I drop acid I think I’ll do a tad less than my normal K-hole dose and see what’s like. I have a feeling it'll be allot like Delsyd said for me. Sounds like it'll just add so much to the K-hole.

its great with LSD.

this past weekend ~80mg IM'd on top of 2 hits of acid was spectacular.
Made he K almost twice as strong aswell as adding some fun psychedelic twists to it.
i still wish i had shot ~200mg instead.

next time.

200mg IM for a K-hole seams a bit excessive. I had a friend once that was telling everyone that IM’d there first time to do 1cc (114mg/cc) and more than half of them said they tripped far to hard. A couple of our friends who had gone very deep into the rabbit hole with LSD said there 1cc K trip was the hardest they ever tripped and were terrified for there life. All of them were probably right around 155#s.

I don’t know anyone personally that hasn’t K-hole’d at least a dozen times that has done over 120mg for a K-hole. I’ve K-hole’d 100s of times and I’ve only done over 1cc a few times but I did re-dose more often than I should have. It’s been about a year since my heavy heavy K use and I don’t think I would do over 85mg for a K-hole even if it’s my first time dosing of the night. I weight 140#s

 

[fastandbulbous]

And I find low doses to produce only physical effects and a sense of well being, psychedelic comes in the doses you dont like much higher.

I find that lower doses are somewhat 'shallow' and that at that dose it's OK for sex but not much anything else

I don’t know anyone personally that hasn’t K-hole’d at least a dozen times that has done over 120mg for a K-hole.

Tolerance and over-familiarity is a bitch - so much so that in the past I've IMed 200mg and still not got full sensory shutdown (K-holed). As far as IM reducing the capacity to binge because of the need to prepare shots, has nobody ever just prepared several shots in one go and then placed it in a sterile vial so that redosing is actually easier than chopping out a line (I've even gone as far as having several 1ml syringes ready filled & lying by my side for repeat administration - I tend to make it up at 200mg/ml to prevent having to put more holes in myself than a tea-bag)

For combining with serotonogic psychedelics, I've found it goes well with 2C-D, 2C-C, 2C-I, 2C-B fly, LSD, DMT & MET, but the most spectacular experiences were with DPT (50mg DPT IM & 80mg ketamine IM at the same time) and DOT (cant remember ketamine dose). The former was like being on a jet fighter ejection seat and the latter was intense, but in a way I can't find the words to describe. BTW I weigh around 85kg (185lb fopr the luddites who haven't embraced the metric system )

 

[psood0nym]

As far as IM reducing the capacity to binge because of the need to prepare shots, has nobody ever just prepared several shots in one go and then placed it in a sterile vial so that redosing is actually easier than chopping out a line (I've even gone as far as having several 1ml syringes ready filled & lying by my side for repeat administration - I tend to make it up at 200mg/ml to prevent having to put more holes in myself than a tea-bag)

Well, it doesn't help if you plan to use compulsively in advance!

 

[KinkyKetter]

I forgot to mention...thought this was clever of me. I just bought a box of 25g winged infusions....those things they tape to your arm in the hospital so they don't have to stick you every time they load you up. Next time I K-hole I'll stick it in my ass and tape it down. The tubing is 12" and I have 1cc, 3cc, and 12cc syringes I could fill with K and lock onto the infusion set. If I'm not right where I want to be but far to K-d out to stick myself all I gotta do is hold the syringe in my hand and press down a little on the plunger.

Tolerance and over-familiarity is a bitch - so much so that in the past I've IMed 200mg and still not got full sensory shutdown (K-holed). As far as IM reducing the capacity to binge because of the need to prepare shots, has nobody ever just prepared several shots in one go and then placed it in a sterile vial so that redosing is actually easier than chopping out a line (I've even gone as far as having several 1ml syringes ready filled & lying by my side for repeat administration - I tend to make it up at 200mg/ml to prevent having to put more holes in myself than a tea-bag)

For combining with serotonogic psychedelics, I've found it goes well with 2C-D, 2C-C, 2C-I, 2C-B fly, LSD, DMT & MET, but the most spectacular experiences were with DPT (50mg DPT IM & 80mg ketamine IM at the same time) and DOT (cant remember ketamine dose). The former was like being on a jet fighter ejection seat and the latter was intense, but in a way I can't find the words to describe. BTW I weigh around 85kg (185lb fopr the luddites who haven't embraced the metric system )

I love 200mg K holes but I don’t remember much and find that 100mg K hole isn’t much less awesome. I’ve seen people IMing 400-600mg no longer than on an hourly basis. 1/5L (23,000mg of our K) is about a weeks use for them. Those people are total K-tards even after not using for 3 weeks. Never seen them clean longer than that and lost touch with them… more likely that they lost touch with reality.

When I get my K in powder I always prepare 1000mg at a time for K-holing. For recreational I just put 3.5cc in my favorite little vial with a rubber stopper. The stopper can dull the hell out of needles but it’s better than opening a vial and spilling half of it. I always do my solution to 110-120mg/cc for veterinarian K and 100mg/cc for the K I get from a chemist because it’s much stronger. I do this solution because when I started getting K it was always liquid so I am able to keep my same dosage (in MLs). Otherwise I’d make 1cc a K-hole for me.

I’m glad you mentioned it with DPT. I didn’t realize IM DPT onset was so fast (just checked wiki). I just got some so I’ll have to try it with K in a month or two.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ its fucking superb (DPT + K that is).

 

[KinkyKetter]

^ its fucking superb (DPT + K that is).

. . . How long does DPT last via IM?

 

[Sturnam]

Gaian Planes, your latest report on IM DPT+K makes me wanna try that combination soooooo bad.

too bad all the K is gone for now...

 

[fastandbulbous]

. . . How long does DPT last via IM?

about 2-2.5 hours although most of the real action takes place in the first hour (activity to the point that it's best to just keep your eyes closed. When I opened mine after 50mg of DPT in conjunction with ketamine, the room looked like it would vibrate itself into bits!)

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah its like an hour long peak as far as I can remember. IVing it halves the peak, to about 30 minutes (onset in 10 seconds). IV is really the way to go with DPT I think (and DMT, MET, etc).

 

[fastandbulbous]

^ From what I've read, IV route for DPT is just too much for most people & it just ends up in terror (shit, even IM can be a white knuckle ride sometimes)

 

[Jabberwocky]

they are probably just overdosing on it. That one guy injected like 60mg or something on erowid? That would be a hefty dose for IM let alone IV!

I'd be curious what more people say about IV DPT...they should start out with 10mg then work up from there.

 

[KinkyKetter]

Awe man you guys are making me so eager to try DPT now. I'll give it a try IV after I do it IM a couple times. Do you guys drip it or just shoot it?

 

[Jabberwocky]

just bang it in one go man

(*cough* wheel filter *cough*)

 

[LordKrishna]

they are probably just overdosing on it. That one guy injected like 60mg or something on erowid? That would be a hefty dose for IM let alone IV!

I'd be curious what more people say about IV DPT...they should start out with 10mg then work up from there.

IMO IM is more enjoyable. I mean, come on, now that Im more clear headed not much can be gained from slamming DMT into your veins(I have extensive experience with IV DMT, monumental time mroe then DPT/MET) . its too fast and too powerful. REALLY REALLY REALLY FUCKING VISUAL!!!! but there is no time to integrate anything. You can stick a big shot in to you muscle and be set,


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a nice 15min come up to settle in and get comfortable. It starts with a body feeling, that wonderful CLEAN PURE tryptamine physical euphoria, your eyes star to dilate and and you find a grin reaching ear to ear forming. You then start to notice the surrounding becoming more and more vibrant, rainbow colors seem to outline everything. You head begins to drift into a mode of un-thought, just relax and experience as kaleidescope visions of geometric patterns emerge out of the landscape. You begin to think to your self, is this true? am I truly experiencing something so divine? the experience is now somewhere around 15min and you KNOW that it is real, that everything is connected by the energy which created it and that energy is what those who have experience this state attribute towards LOVE. Its the power which connects you to your parents, to your friends, to nature, to nurture, then you realize it goes even deeper then connections on a physical plane, it goes deep into the ocean of thought, where the waters are still in the abyss all the way up to your hectic life which is the turbulent surface. now it is about 25min alter and you are starting to drift back down, but the feeling is still there, the intuition gained from the accumulation of everything you just realized, at first you might think, was that the dissolution of the ego? NO, couldn't be. It was true ego realized. You now know that in time of adversity, time of trouble, when you find obstacles in your life that everything is OK, it there for you to enjoy the entire ride of this turbulent sea, the abyss is still there, calm and un-changing. Now set your sails, its time to return.....

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WTF has happen to me...

 

[red647]

^ Cool post, but what's with the last part and the sad face?