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The Big and Dandy DMT Thread - The Rebirth (Archived 3-19-08)

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sarsXdave said:
Anyway, what I'm trying to ask is how much does your general attitude on your life affect a BREAKTHROUGH DMT experience? I am by no means a happy dude in my day-to-day activities, but am definitely happy when with my close friends. Do you feel, based on your own experiences, that if I was very excited about trying DMT and very happy with my surrounding at the moment, that I'd still be at significant risk for a bad trip? Let me also clarify that intense confusion is nothing I'd consider "bad" (I loved having to rediscover everything around me on salvia), I'd be worried more about entering a hell where
some alien tells me all about all the messed up things I've done in life.
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Obviously the rules of set and setting apply with DMT, especially the breakthrough. To me it is a pure psychedelic; it literally shows you your mind, from a detached perspective- that is the ego death of DMT for me. The aliens and elves are important in that they are possibly the visual represenattion of the aspects of your brain....if there are things upsetting you, then your Mind might really see them- but a breakthrough would be to oversome or understand them. Either way, a DMT trip is short enough so as to be done with quickly, but the effects can defintely alter your life. I find it to be for the better but YMMV...

A lot of DMT experience seems to be illusion and one has to almost hypnotise oneself (IMO) to get past the freaky aliens and clowns and colours- there appears, after that something altogether unexpected to me- a completely new and apparently real world. To me, DMT is not therapeautic in the LSD sense; the mind isn't flooded with memories of trauma or darkness, but can be tricked into thinking it is :\ Howver, most entites you 'meet' on the journey seem benevolent, albeit slightly mishivieous and childish- so I do question msyelf whether they are projections of the mind. Because, whilst the psychologicl abililty to connect with your 'real' life and emotions is there- the possibility of not doing so is also and completely immersing yourself in the experience seems to bring about a very similar experience for very different people. Whatever the aliens/elves may say to you, they are just the Masters of Outer Darkness....

In a word, yep DMT could cause a nasty reflection on your life and times- but at the same time it may lift you above them, so you can see the intricate and pointless games one may have been playing. Take care, sorry my convoluted answer its 7am and I've been awake for a while. :)
 
I agree Willow. I hesitate to use the term "breakthrough" in a public forum because of it. I have to say though, in my experience there are certain qualitative states that are distinct and don't fall along a continuum. Until I experienced ego death, I thought it was just a heavy amount of ego dissolution; not the case (though the term I think is often used that way). Likewise, "hyperspace" has come to be used to describe a great degree of immersion into a DMT trip. However it's original usage denoted extra-spatial perceptions ala hypercubes/spheres and Klein bottles. Extra-spatial perception is another either/or qualitative state that does not fall along a continuum that requires subjective interpretation. In salvia trips, if you act out the role of an identity other than your own it's not because you got "close" to thinking you were another person/thing/object. There's no mistaking it. When I say "breakthrough", I am referring to something distinct and unmistakable. I have only reached certain types of these states via smoking DMT, and not through any other route of administration.
 
willow11 said:
Interesting, I don't like AMT, but I can imagine it enhancing or bringing about a rather bizarre flavoured DMT trip....

Oh yeah, I loved DMT..... :):)
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AMT + DMT is bomb!!!!!!! Just be ready for an intense 10 minutes or so. Ill write some more after class about it.
 
Willow,
Nah, I think understand what you're saying. I've never had a trip show me any truth I didn't know about the world already - all the people I'll be tripping with will say things like "Dude, God IS!!" or stuff about verbal language being inadequate and I'll just think "Yeah, of course." Maybe I just think about that stuff more while sober than others do, I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all. I know and have known exactly what I need to do to overcome my problems.

If by "showing you the games you've been playing" you mean it may help get over ridiculous neuroses, then that's pretty reassuring. I know I can't expect to just take this and solve my problems, but if bad trips seem to be centered a little more on how you think than your actual situation in life (though, they're certainly related) - I think I can handle that fine. I find that salvia was more useful than LSD or 2C-I because it showed me how I'd react to some pretty challenging, imagined situations.

Thanks for your response, man.
 
How did you guys know you were ready to smoke DMT?

For the first DMT trip, would you suggest doing it in a dimly lit room with no music, or outside stimuli? Or would playing some Shpongle be a better idea?
 
Schizzy said:
How did you guys know you were ready to smoke DMT?

For the first DMT trip, would you suggest doing it in a dimly lit room with no music, or outside stimuli? Or would playing some Shpongle be a better idea?
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I havent tried any yet but i know i'll be ready when the extraction is done because ive got a an excitement in my stomach and a grin on my face when i think of what could happen and what i could see.
 
do whatever makes you feel best/most comfortable. I find that sometimes music is good, but sometimes it is bad...composed/wank music really irritates me under the influence but a group of musicians taking flight and letting 'it' pour through them sends me into ecstasy.
 
It was there, so I i smoked it. I had read many things about it though beforehand. I was in a big park next to a lake at nightime with a few other first time imbibers....

^As to music, I find it hard to listen to directly at times; stereo perception goes haywire for me on DMT. I think though listening to some beautiful melodic music before you dive in (one of my best experiences came after lsieting to the beatles LIVE album, repeating Strawberry Fields over and over) can colour the experiemce briliiantly. Some shpongle is apt to send you into a chaos or feedback loop with all the overlapping themese; Divine Moments of Truth (duh!), [articulalry the change in timing/empahasis at the start has compltely tranced me out under the spell of the spice....
 
How long is MHRB good for extraction? Ive always had friends that extracted and never had the need until now, the MHRB I have has been sitting in a plastic bag for close to two years. Will there be a significant loss in yield?
 
^Probably, but then specimens of psychotria and b. caapi are in conservertoriums around the world that are over 200 years old that still contain active components. The only way to knowmwould be to tear the alkaoids from its barky sheath and see :)
 
Karma1485 wrote

She took 4 of the largest hits from our machine that i have ever seen anyone take. After the 4th hit she lay back and began moaning, kind of like something had possessed her.

She closed her eyes but her eyes were noticeably bulging out under the eyelids and moving around at a great speed.

Well, this is a classic "overdose" experience... often people's eyes roll back into their head and they can froth at the mouth... sometimes they can go into a kind of epileptic state...and also vcmit.

BUT, others will watch horrorfied, and often the person will come out having no awareness of any of this and have had a great experience!

Yes, definitely, if you get too greedy, DMT can kick your butt... absolutely: you may be a bit traumatised... but apart from that, no harm done... there's usually a lesson in it... often something to do with respect...


Julian.
 
I had a really scary experience last night while on 5 tabs of some weak acid. I took a large hit, maybe half of a blast off. I then felt like I melted into my surroundings...and after that it all went to shit in my head. I literally lost the ability to talk for almost an hour after the experience. The experience itself was not very intense, but my loss of my vocabulary was.

Every single word that popped in my head sounded wrong, I couldn't even string together sentences. My friends just thought I was extremely fucked up. I would say things like "I are really fuck'd up" but it wouldn't even sound remotely right. It really freaked me out since it lasted an hour. I just finally ran off because I couldn't even speak. Even basic words like "Fuck" sounded completely off. All I could say was simple yes, no, I dunno, etc.

Has anyone every loss the ability to communicate completely for more then 5-10 minutes? This was pushing almost an hour before I slowly was able to think correctly. I think I may just need a break from drugs in general, think Ill take at least a month off or so. What do you guys think? I remember when I first talked to someone about DMT they had told me a few people had lost the ability to talk. Complete bullshit or true?
 
yeah man, my english melted a while ago. i hate that shit (english). i like it when communication in the form of verbal representation of symbols breaks down like your describing.
 
^DMT certainly deconstructs language; thats why its better to take it and lie down and forget communicating for a while- it just becomes useless and as you say, unpleasant. I too enjoy the way language becomes useless, and pure concept/imagination is all that is left. Anytime I've had to urge to say something on DMT its usually in the third person, and generally garbage and/or random gibberring. Making buzzing and resonant sounds with the mouth region is much more enjoyable then saying words.

Unfortuntaly, at high doses, smoked DMT isn't a really social drug ;)
 
I know it's not a social drug, I just thought perhaps it had messed with my head. You guys are right though, I most likely would have been fine if I had just been by myself. I just thought it was weird that it lasted almost an hour...but then again mixing them together could make it last longer no doubt.
 
Schizzy said:
How did you guys know you were ready to smoke DMT?
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In a positive mood and have a place to lie back to trip? Then you're ready. I think it's great stuff but it's no more worthy of being put on a pedestal than LSD or psilocybin. How did you know you were ready for acid?

I can't say, "DMT won't bite," but to stretch the analogy further, I do think it can smell fear and will run with it. My heart was certainly pounding the first time I put my mouth to the pipe, but the knowledge that DMT is ultimately friendly and well-meaning allowed me to relax into the experience.

For the first DMT trip, would you suggest doing it in a dimly lit room with no music, or outside stimuli? Or would playing some Shpongle be a better idea?
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Whatever feels right. Plenty of time to try both ways... I personally like a dim room with some chill music (Boards of Canada for me) but with no music works well too.
 
tass4243 said:
I know it's not a social drug, I just thought perhaps it had messed with my head. You guys are right though, I most likely would have been fine if I had just been by myself. I just thought it was weird that it lasted almost an hour...but then again mixing them together could make it last longer no doubt.
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Smoking DMT on top of LSD/another psychedelic often leads to a perceived lengthening/heightening of the effects- I tend to think that in the alreaady heaightened LSD state that one simply notices the lingering after-effects of DMT that one may normally ignore or relegate to the background when sober.

When I said its not a social drug, that isn't to say that it should be done on its own or anything; I love smokig it with other peeps; but it doesn't allow for much socialising. :) As I'm sure you noticed....
 
willow11 said:
When I said its not a social drug, that isn't to say that it should be done on its own or anything; I love smokig it with other peeps; but it doesn't allow for much socialising. :) As I'm sure you noticed....
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Oh I know, I tend to like to do it alone though because for me unnecesary social anxiety kicks in. It's like I'm expected to say something to my friends or something, its weird. This was the first time its ever crippled my ability to think to that degree, but prolly just extended from the 5 tabs. I've done it prolly 100+ times, so I know the effects with not talking. This was my first time with that much acid in my head though. Also what I think played an effect was that my mind wasn't clear, was muddy throughout the whole acid trip.

Still <3 DMT tho!
 
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