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The Big and Dandy DMT Thread - The Fourth Dimension

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feelgoodhit said:
anyone know if i can use one of those one-hitters that look like a cigarette to smoke DMT?
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yeah, justs tuff choir boy in teh end.

use it like a crack pipe. DMT liek crack oils up when ehated so you need a "nettig" to capture the oil for it to then be vaporized on.

Crack pipes work teh absolute best for smoking DMT. end of story. The machine that everyone raves about is nothing more then a glorifide crack stem. Crack heads known about eth machine way ebfor deemster tokers.
 
in the end? which end?

crack is one of the few common drugs i haven't tried - i don't know how to smoke crack. could you provide more detailed instructions for smoking spice out of a one-hitter?
 
Ismene said:
What have you got against moclob bluedolphin?

Key thing is there's no nausea with moclob. With rue or caapi I was puking up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog.

And pure harmaline costs about 50 times as much as moclob.
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Moclobemide brings out the dark side of DMT.

I have only tried oral DMT with Moclobemide, but I'll be sure the next time I take DMT my MAOI will be harmaline. I found my trip hard edged, and later on I was informed by others who had tried using DMT with Moclobemide that it's nothing like DMT+Harmaline... they all agreed it was inferior and there is really something special that the Harmaline adds.

Again, I haven't tried it with Harmaline so my first hand knowledge only goes half way here.

But go on Erowid and read all the trip reports with Moclobemide... and then read all the ones with Harmaline.... I think you'll get the picture.
 
feelgoodhit said:
in the end? which end?

crack is one of the few common drugs i haven't tried - i don't know how to smoke crack. could you provide more detailed instructions for smoking spice out of a one-hitter?
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simple. if a crck head can do it, you should be abel to do it.

just put teh dmt on the choir boy, melt it into it, then put a flame to itand inhail.

simple as can be.
 
Ismene said:
If you've got the freebase the moclob is only a click away. 30 300mg tablets dirt cheap (if that doesn't break any pricing rules!)

Without the coca-cola trick I'd hesitate to recomend it as freebase can make you throw your guts up - but with no nausea it's simply beyond your wildest dreams :)
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Nausea isn't really a problem for me... I'd probably go with harmine/harmaline, in caapi, because it seems through reports that it would provide a more fulls-spectrum experience. Especially since caapi contains other alkaloids.

I would probably still try the coca-cola trick though, as something to reduce potential nausea couldn't hurt. :)
 
bluedolphin said:
Moclobemide brings out the dark side of DMT.
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I think that's more to do with set and setting tho, I wasn't aware of any dark side. I was at the fountain of existence surrounded by rippling golden light visuals and feeling physically like I was at the peak of an E trip into the bargain.

I know there's a lot of snobbery about moclob and the idea that "you have to puke like a sick fucking dog to really understand ayahuasca" and if that floats your boat then fair enough, but I prefer trips where I feel physically fantastic rather than crouching over a toilet heaving my dinner into the bowl for twenty minutes :D
 
SomeKindaLove said:
Do share.
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I mentioned it earlier but I'm so tickled by it that I'll say it again. Instead of just eating the freebase, chuck it into half a pint of coca-cola and stir. It should start to fizz as the freebase turns into the phosphate salt (from the phosphoric acid in the cola). Hey presto you have just performed the "Ismene coca-cola trick" (patent pending) :D

For some reason the phosphate salt doesn't cause the nausea that freebase does. Instead of your guts rumbling for an hour before you spew your guts up, you feel absolutely wonderful.

For some reason it also gives a very E like physical experience on top of the psychedelia - maybe from the moclobemide allowing a little more serotonin to float around.
 
^^ But don't you think that's more related to set and setting though? Why would a phosphate salt produce less nausea and a more E-like sensation?









;)
 
For extractions:

In place of a turkey baster (or even a separatory funnel), I *HIGHLY* recommend a standard auto pipetter fitted with a graduated pipette. Add your naptha with the auto pipette, recording the original volume of the naptha against the graduations before adding; and then when pulling off the naptha, just ensure that your meniscus is exactly above the correct graduation of the pipette. This will ensure an accurate pull up to four significant digits!

I will never attempt an extraction without an auto pipetter again! :)
 
Xorkoth said:
^^ But don't you think that's more related to set and setting though? Why would a phosphate salt produce less nausea and a more E-like sensation?
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You dare to question the coca-cola trick? ;)

I think when you see how the freebase fizzes in the cola and then imagine it fizzing in your gut acid maybe that's what irritates the stomach.

I'm not saying the freebase doesn't produce an E like physical high - it's just that it's not as noticeable through the nausea. The phosphate salt seems to have a smoother come up too.
 
Xorkoth said:
^^ But don't you think that's more related to set and setting though? Why would a phosphate salt produce less nausea and a more E-like sensation?

;)
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Yeah, but I've wondered the same about the different forms of aMT. The freebase seems to provide us both with more nausea than the HCl; and, though I've never felt any nausea from the HCl, Dondante felt significant nausea from another salt, the citrate. It may be that he would have felt it from the HCl too if he had tried that, but sometimes I wonder--beyond the differences in the solubility of freebases and salts--if there are experiential differences even between different salts of drugs(adjusted for molar weight of course).
 
DMT freebase solubility

The "search" function isn't my friend on this one, sorry if it's been discussed already. :(

I was thinking, DMT freebase should be insoluble in water, but soluble in ethanol, right? So would it be possible to make a dmt ethanol solution and then use a dropper to put it on a mucous membrane (e.g. my nose). Would that work? I don't have a proper pipe at the moment, and I'm also a bit bothered by the quick onset if I smoke it (haven't done it yet, just doing my homework :) ).

Also this should be (hopefully) less trouble than snorting crystals. I wouldn't want to mess around with MAOI inhibitors, for some reasons it seems riskier and a bigger mess.

Thanks in advance for any information.

PS.

On the topic of smoking, would a "lightbulb" weed vapourizer do the trick for smoking freebase?
 
hello, you can snort DMT freebase as a crystalline powder already, so there is no need to dissolve it in ethanol (I'm not sure if it dissolves in ethanol tbh).

its not true that all HCL dissolve in water and all freebases dissolve in ethanol (for some reason this is a common mistake people tend to believe in, dunno why).

You will need a relatively large dose of DMT to activate it nasally. I have heard that 100mg will provide a very solid +++...I have personally experimented with ~45mg and it provided a nice ++ trip...lasting about 25-30 minutes.

Be warned, that stuff BURNS (not as bad as MET though, but still pretty strong burn).

ps lightbulbs suck to smoke DMT out of, but they will work. You can also smoke DMT just out of a regular mj bowl if you sprinkle it above some ashes and VERY CAREFULLY heat the DMT up (don't torch it).
 
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Reg MJ bowl all the way.

1st hit ::: melt and gently lick the DMT with flame, inhale vapors deeply and hold for 20 seconds...

2nd hit ::: torch that bowl like hellfire, as if you were trying to cash the bowl in a single hit! Because this might be the last hit you're able to take ;)
 
Snorting DMT freebase will leave you with alkaline burns on your nostrils membranes. Don't plan on picking your nose for a couple of weeks.

You'd still need something to check the alkalinity of the DMT freebase/ethanol mix before putting it in your nose.
 
I regretted snorting DMT as soon as about 30 seconds had passed, and it felt like a whole was being burned through my nose.
 
If there's anything that drains every last bit of fun out of a psychedelic experience it's having a burning nose and a drip down your throat.
 
bradoi said:
I wouldn't want to mess around with MAOI inhibitors, for some reasons it seems riskier and a bigger mess.
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There's no mess with moclobemide - it's a simple 300mg tablet like you get in a paracetomol packet. You need to know if you have a sensitivity to maois but you could always try a 100mg dose first and if you live through that, try 200mg.

My personal opinion is that DMT orally is so superior to every other method that it's not even the same sport. No nausea (with coca-cola trick), better bodyhigh, smoother come up, longer experience.
 
Ismene said:
Snorting DMT freebase will leave you with alkaline burns on your nostrils membranes. Don't plan on picking your nose for a couple of weeks.
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yikes! 8o

Bad idea then, I likes me boogers the way they are :D

I'll just go with smoking then. Thanks a lot for the information.
 
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