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The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

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Buying cactus

I've combed through the thread and couldn't find a reply to some of these qs, though I could have missed it. I'm buying some San Pedro as a Christmas present and was wondering how to tell what looks like a good cactus (or do you just not know till you try). Like is there anything to look for like when you look for little white crystals on weed or do they just all look like similar big green cacti? Also, how many inches worth of stuff would you need - is it true I would need to buy about 35' of cactus per trip?

Was also wondering, is powder more potent/less nausea-inducing? And would 50g powder generally be enough for a couple of good trips or is that only one dose's worth? Or does it just vary wildly?

And, lastly, does the nausea usually last the whole trip? cos that can really ruin a trip for me. One guy who's done it told me it's only the first hour really and then just comes and go a little, like with shrooms (tho worse). Of course, I know this depends on purity, but I'm thinking with a blender/citric acid method.

Thanks v much; sorry if all these answers are all already posted.
 
Sa_Dec said:
I've combed through the thread and couldn't find a reply to some of these qs, though I could have missed it. I'm buying some San Pedro as a Christmas present and was wondering how to tell what looks like a good cactus (or do you just not know till you try). Like is there anything to look for like when you look for little white crystals on weed or do they just all look like similar big green cacti? Also, how many inches worth of stuff would you need - is it true I would need to buy about 35' of cactus per trip?

Was also wondering, is powder more potent/less nausea-inducing? And would 50g powder generally be enough for a couple of good trips or is that only one dose's worth? Or does it just vary wildly?

And, lastly, does the nausea usually last the whole trip? cos that can really ruin a trip for me. One guy who's done it told me it's only the first hour really and then just comes and go a little, like with shrooms (tho worse). Of course, I know this depends on purity, but I'm thinking with a blender/citric acid method.

Thanks v much; sorry if all these answers are all already posted.
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I have no idea if there are visual signs of a good cactus. I'd say definitely look for a strong, healthy specimen.

I assume you meant 35 inches of cactus, not 35 feet. In either case, 35 inches (about 3 feet) seems excessive. It also depends on the width of the cactus, as you're going for a certain weight of cactus material, not just length.

As for cactus powder/chips, I have only used that so far, and I find it to be not very nausea-producing, although I have a strong stomach. Once I made a cactus tea out of the dried chunks, and it produced a lot more nausea than any of the times I've capped the powder or even mixed the powder with shots of water and drank it. It seemed to be because of the snot-like consistency more than anything else.

Finally, for me, nausea has never gotten in the way of a good cactus trip. It usually begins with some nausea or sour stomach, but it has always passed for me by a couple of hours in. Cactus really doesn't reach full swing until hour 4 or 5.
 
hey does anyone know what a strong dose of peruvian(sp?) torch would be? Like how many grams of chips or bark or whatever, thanks.
 
FrostyMcFailure said:
hey does anyone know what a strong dose of peruvian(sp?) torch would be? Like how many grams of chips or bark or whatever, thanks.
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though i'm not speaking fully from experience, but i have dabbled a bit with Peruvian Torch chips.. it's generally talked about it doses such as:
a whole ounce (28g): being the common strong dose.. but certainly not the strongest obviously
15-20g: medium dose
10g and less: light dose

though its common knowledge it all depends on your cactus's potency.. start low, work your way up!
 
san pedro tea prep weight

i've seen many people and recipes calling for certain lengths of san pedro cactus for preparing tea but my question is what is the equivalent weight? i see many people suggesting 1 foot of san pedro yet this varies immensley as these cacti can get as fat as trees or remain as slim as a banana.

does anyone have any single dose weight suggestions for applying the tea method using fresh san pedro?
 
Thanks for the reply, Xorkoth.

To Neal Cassady: By chips do you mean powder or some particular part of the cactus?

And I have yet one further question for anyone who knows: what's the experiential difference between peyote and peruvian torch? Is there one?
 
i ate a 1ft~ cutting of peruvian torch raw & got a very mild mescal intoxication.

it was quite the dissapontment...
 
a less than worthwhile experience is exactly what i'm really hoping to avoid. i realize there are still many other factors even in suggesting an approximate single dose solely by weight but i feel it would be a much better place to start rather than by length alone.

i love my plants as if they were my children and i don't want to sacrifice them for a less than rewarding experience.
 
San Pedro- how accurate this is I will not vouch for, but it is said that 100grams of cactus will be equiv to 100mg alkaloid. San Pedro has a realitvelt high mescaline content in comparison to the other alkaloids in their, but I would say go for brigdesii or Peruvian Torch, less material.
 
Sa_Dec said:
Thanks for the reply, Xorkoth.

To Neal Cassady: By chips do you mean powder or some particular part of the cactus?

And I have yet one further question for anyone who knows: what's the experiential difference between peyote and peruvian torch? Is there one?
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by chips i mean actual dried chunks (chips) of the outer green skin, none of the inner non-psychoactive white plant material.. but in the end in order to prepare for easy consumption i am grinding the chips up into powder and eating/drinking it from there..

dried peruvian torch/san pedro/etc chips are shipped in appearance as explained above when you order them.. though they defiantly tend to be more expensive than buying fresh cactus, but there's a ton of work cut out for you if you decide to go with the chips.. plus, you obtain your product by weight of only the psychoactive portion of the cactus.. so dosing accurately is pretty easy

edit: for your last question it's really just the novelty of experiencing pure Peyote cactus, as it was the original source for mescaline.. but it has been said peyote contains an upwards of 40+ alkaloids that give the peyote experience is perfected well-roundedness.. i've read sites comparing san pedro and the torch to peyote stating that peruvian torch closely resembles the mescaline content and "other" alkaloid content of peyote, then san pedro being lower down the line in holding all of peyote's alkaloids..
 
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after further researching i found a few resources suggesting cuttings of t.pachanoi from ~1 foot in length and ~3 inches in diameter weighing close to 2 lbs.

now that i have this information i will apply it when i feel the time is right.
something i think will be very enjoyable is the connection i will have to the experience having cared for these cacti and also the whole ritual of preparation.

i really am looking forward to it.
 
peyote graft to san pedro

could anyone share any information / success stories about grafting l.williamsii to t.pachanoi? i'm considering attempting this sometime soon and was wondering does it really speed l.williamsii's growth at such an incredible rate (what i've read it reduces years to months) and also how easy/difficult it is for these grafts to successfully take.

thanks.
 
ectolysergic said:
no BL cacti farmers? :(

i like chemicals (synth) as much as the next guy but you can't go wrong with what nature gave us.
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I grow cactus but I don't know much about the actual growing of them, except that they grow :). There are sites dedicated to such tecnhiques; google away I'd suggest...
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
ive heard grafting only speeds cactus growth, not alkaloid accumulation.

never tried myself though
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indeed. i plan to graft to speed growth to maturity and then cut it and put it back on it's own roots to accumlate alkaloids to it's potential.
 
^But won't that still take a certain period for the alkaloids to metabolise fully into mescaline? Like I said, I dunno much about this but its very intersting. Any info or tips you come across ectolysergic, can you post or link them in this thread? I have a few grafting documents somewhere that I might be able to dig up for you....
 
willow11 said:
^But won't that still take a certain period for the alkaloids to metabolise fully into mescaline? Like I said, I dunno much about this but its very intersting. Any info or tips you come across ectolysergic, can you post or link them in this thread? I have a few grafting documents somewhere that I might be able to dig up for you....
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i'm sure there will be a period of time needed once the peyote is on it's own roots again to accumulate these alkaloids. as far as i know it can, however, reach maturity significantly sooner grafted to a fast grower rather than on it's own. this is solely my understanding based on what i've read. assuming this is correct the now mature peyote will begin producing it's alkaloids. i feel transplanting the scion and starting it on it's own roots will solidify this production and concentrate it's resources on it's own alkaloid production rather than through a shared system.

whenever i attempt this i will post back with my experience and perhaps some tips and pics.

peace
 
another dosing question

Myself and a couple friends are considering doing some San Pedro for NYE. I'm the only person out of the group with any mescaline experience, that being one high-dose peyote trip. The other two have done shrooms but not LSD, just for some background on our relative psych experience.

We're all rather strapped for cash atm, especially being Christmas time and all, but anyways, all we can afford to pool up for is $50 (3 12" cuttings).

I've done some research so I know that mescaline content can vary widely from cactus to cactus, but what I'm asking is generally speaking, is one cutting going to be an adequate dose? We want something that will have us more than "the tip of the iceberg" but not so much that it's an overload. It's something I'm rather concerned about cause hey it's NYE, I don't want an I-should-have-done-more experience, or a freak out. I know the threshold dose for mescaline is ~150mg, and frankly if that's the probable area I can expect from one cutting I'll just buy some rolls for the occasion.

K, I'll stop rambling now... sorry for the question that's probably been beaten to death, but thank you for your answers. :)
 
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