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The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

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psood0nym said:
I wish mescaline extraction was as easy as DMT extraction.
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It's practically the same but instead of freezing the non-polar layer to crystallise the DMT freebase you extract it with dilute hydrochloric acid, evaporate the water/excess acid and voila!
 
Xorkoth said:
I concur about the peruvian torch... it's also my favorite. But to be fair I have not tried brigesii. Ah, I can't wait until mky next mescaline excursion. Actually just now the song I listened to during the perfect peak of my last mescaline journey just came on. I suppose that means that I should do it this spring in the mountains like I was thinking at that point.

:) :)
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i'm with you on that one, i can't wait for that warm weather to roll around.. i've also been saving the last bit of my peruvian torch for this coming spring, should be a nice introduction to spring with all the trees and plants coming back to life
 
hi all.....i just wanted to stop by and ask a quick question
.... just recieved 67" of pachanoi and 41" of peruvianus. average width is about 2-2.5 in
ASSUMING these cacti are of average potency when compared to others(say they fall smack in the middle of the bell curve) about how many people can have a good time from these things.would ~20 in of pachanoi and 12 in of peruv would be a good guestimate for a dose? this would mean it would be good for about 7 people

Do these figures sound reasonable or is there something being done wrong???


also if an alcohol extraction is performed with 91% isopropyl
((dry skin)...weigh....alcohol soak.....evap...end up with black oily tarry goo)

can this be put into capsules? can the black goo dry more, to get the water out so its not as gooey(and it will turn manageable)?

now....ending up with a couple of capsules to have a dose(ive read where its about 1:5 weight ratio (goo weight:total dry weight of material)......should all of them be taken at once or should it be spread out over 10-20 min to avoid a shock to the system?

aside:this wont be the first time with san pedro, (eating raw.....eating dry skin.....mixing dry skin with food.....making a tea that was not boiled down enough....making tea that was boiled down too much.....making a tea just right =D ) just not about in capsules (or suppository 8o ) .........peruvianus was never tried.

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Thanks for killing SWIM, famousness. :)

I don't know much about lengths of fresh cactus, but hang on, plenty here have had experience with it. I've only tried the dried chips, personally.
 
famousness said:
ASSUMING these cacti are of average potency when compared to others(say they fall smack in the middle of the bell curve) about how many people can have a good time from these things.would ~20 in of pachanoi and 12 in of peruv would be a good guestimate for a dose? this would mean it would be good for about 7 people
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Look at the "diameter" sub-heading of this article and extrapolate to your cactus using what you learned about cylindrical volumes in high school (yay math!)
 
.... just recieved 67" of pachanoi and 41"
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you've obviously gone crazy, thats a mighty crop take caution.
edit: Thats bout a years worth of my little farm, sounds scary.

Ill have some of my new photos up in the gallery for you guys to drool over :)
Done some maths for you 107" =~265cm -General dose around 20-30cm 12",

7x12= 84" for 7 people
30cmx7= 210cm for 7 people

Thats my General Rule as of date, anyone proves otherwise, feel free. Your dosage would be large me thinks :/ .

Just my 2cents.
 
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I once took a trip down to Big Bend,
Hoping nature would help me to transcend,
When something caught my eye and I knelt to the sand,
And found a little cactus that looked like God's rear-end!

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<3
 
yes, yes I am!

What kind of soil and watering schedule are optimal for a baby peyotl? How would one go about giving a live peyotl (root intact and in good shape) a new home in the garden?
 
^Get yerself some cactus soil, specific blend for, believe it or not, cactii. Watering cactii is determined by seasons....as we know, cactii don't need regular watering, particualry small peyote- you don't want root rot. Personally, I planted my seeds in a small tray of cactus soil and sand, covered with plastic wrap and left in a humidishish-shady spot until they've begun sprouting and then....I merely wait. Don't put them straight into the sun, they need to be acclimatised so gradual exposure until they are inrelaitvely full sunlight is good. Try to find out what peyote likes in nature and replicate it. A lot of people say that its 'hidden' somewhat by other plant matter in nature, so perhaps it likes dappled sunlight...? Theres HEAPS of books on cactii propagation. IME,once you've got them started, they aren't hard to grow. Getting them started can be hard....:) Props to you for growing the sacred peyote....I don't know if I'll ever be able to eat mine. I'm simply going to keep cutting and cloning until I have a good supply....
 
I live just a tad north of its natural clime, so it shouldn't be that difficult to get going... Do you have any suggestions for cacti cultivation books? Are there any that deal with peyote specifically that stand out in your (or anybody else's) mind?

Keep the spirit alive!
 
san pedro or peruvian torch, it seems low to me but do the doses most people state for dried cacti include core?
 
Mescaline/Peyote duration discrepancy

So, according to Erowid, the duration of mescaline is 4-8 hours. According to the writings of Sahagún, "Those who eat or drink it see visions either frightful or laughable. This intoxication lasts two or three days." Is there some explanation for the discrepancy?
 
mescaline is 10-14 hours. Mostly ending on the 11th hour for the average user. After effects may persist considerable longer, even into the next day and sleep is a factor in this.
 
My experiences with mescaline containing cacti mirror the duration of theWorldWithin's experiences. There is a synthetic mescaline report in TR right now that claims that the alkaloid mixture--including but not limited to mescaline--extracted from cacti lasts slightly longer than pure synthetic mescaline, which the poster said only lasts as long as LSD (~8hrs). The other alkaloids and a slower overall absorption out of significant volumes of cactus flesh compared to the absorption time for the pure chemical seems sufficient to account for the 2 to 4 hour increase in the cacti's duration.
 
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So what accounts for the Native American reports of 2-3 days? These reports are from a good 500 or so years ago.
 
Beats me. I'm guessing they were re-dosing during a vision quest that was supposed to take that long and were more worried about having the visions than accurately chronicling their dosage regimen. But that's based on nothing more than the fact that no cactus I've ever had, and that does NOT include peyote, has lasted nearly that long. Look at peyote reports on Erowid and you'll see it doesn't last that long for any one time dosers there either though.
 
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