StingRei
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1) Fumarate salt stays potent for years when sealed and stored at room temp.
2) Nope, tolerance doesn't build like that. You always recover.
The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation
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1) Fumarate salt stays potent for years when sealed and stored at room temp.
2) Nope, tolerance doesn't build like that. You always recover.
Xorkoth
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Nib: Tolerance builds very quickly to psychedelics, especially tryptamines I find. The initial dose sets the stage, ie, you basically had an extended 12mg trip. Take the entire dose at once instead next time.
arohydro
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I took 15 mg of the fumarate salt last night and had a full +3 experience. I've taken 20 and 25 mg of the same compound before, with the latter causing a great deal of nausea and discomfort during the come up, but neither compared to the dose I ingested last night. I suppose that would be due to the fact that I was with company on those other occasions and socializing can be quite distracting.
At one point, I was laying on my bed staring at the ceiling and everything began to swirl. It was a sudden unprovoked reaction but I was helpless to stop it. My mouth began to creak open ever so slowly, I could feel the bones in my neck, my esophagus moving, though I had no conscious part in this action. The moisture was sucked out of my body... I can only describe the sensation as my consciousness stripping away from my body; the physical plane and my position in it were very foreign to me at this point, and growing less and less familiar each second. The ceiling gained another dimension, a spherical blob detached itself and hovered several feet below its normal resting place. Beautiful flowing patterns bloomed, both on solid surfaces and superimposed over my vision, morphing and colliding with themselves into new shapes and sizes. Colors everywhere, beautiful neon pink and green borne from ordinary white that must have grown complacent with its mundane nature.
This occurred twice. The first time I was quite surprised, even startled, and rattled myself out of the state in mere moments. The second, I vaporized a bit more cannabis to intensify the trip, and though it took a few moments longer to invoke the same episode, I tried my best to stay still and merely observe. In fact, that's the best way I can describe it... merely observing. I also had a thought loop during this period... I kept thinking, 'We are all one, and I must accept this. This state must be the exodus of acceptance.' I'm not sure if this was a conscious injection into the trip since I had no logical flow of thought to SUPPORT this conclusion, and I have never experienced the feeling of oneness oft reported during psychedelic voyages, so I am somewhat skeptical (but always open to the possibility of) that occurrence.
Besides my notable LSD experiences (which are few), no psychoactive experience has ever been this intense, overwhelming, and all-consuming. I am sure I barely even scratched the surface of what introspection on psychedelics has to offer, but I am still flabbergasted by how 15 mg of 4-AcO-DMT offered an encounter so cathartic and purging that I am excited to go back and delve deeper than I have ever ventured before. I actually wish I could surmise as to the cause of this state... it's really a mystery to me.
Something to note, as a tangent: The last time I took this chemical I did so all in one gulp. 25 mg down the hatch. The come up was too swift to be comfortable for me, so this time I took two 7.5 mg doses wrapped in small pieces of napkin 5 mins apart. It actually changed the character of the drug, if only by a small margin. I encourage everyone that has been intrigued by the differing subjective effects of related substituted tryptamines to attempt to alter the pharmacokinetics as I have and then experience the difference it makes.
At one point, I was laying on my bed staring at the ceiling and everything began to swirl. It was a sudden unprovoked reaction but I was helpless to stop it. My mouth began to creak open ever so slowly, I could feel the bones in my neck, my esophagus moving, though I had no conscious part in this action. The moisture was sucked out of my body... I can only describe the sensation as my consciousness stripping away from my body; the physical plane and my position in it were very foreign to me at this point, and growing less and less familiar each second. The ceiling gained another dimension, a spherical blob detached itself and hovered several feet below its normal resting place. Beautiful flowing patterns bloomed, both on solid surfaces and superimposed over my vision, morphing and colliding with themselves into new shapes and sizes. Colors everywhere, beautiful neon pink and green borne from ordinary white that must have grown complacent with its mundane nature.
This occurred twice. The first time I was quite surprised, even startled, and rattled myself out of the state in mere moments. The second, I vaporized a bit more cannabis to intensify the trip, and though it took a few moments longer to invoke the same episode, I tried my best to stay still and merely observe. In fact, that's the best way I can describe it... merely observing. I also had a thought loop during this period... I kept thinking, 'We are all one, and I must accept this. This state must be the exodus of acceptance.' I'm not sure if this was a conscious injection into the trip since I had no logical flow of thought to SUPPORT this conclusion, and I have never experienced the feeling of oneness oft reported during psychedelic voyages, so I am somewhat skeptical (but always open to the possibility of) that occurrence.
Besides my notable LSD experiences (which are few), no psychoactive experience has ever been this intense, overwhelming, and all-consuming. I am sure I barely even scratched the surface of what introspection on psychedelics has to offer, but I am still flabbergasted by how 15 mg of 4-AcO-DMT offered an encounter so cathartic and purging that I am excited to go back and delve deeper than I have ever ventured before. I actually wish I could surmise as to the cause of this state... it's really a mystery to me.
Something to note, as a tangent: The last time I took this chemical I did so all in one gulp. 25 mg down the hatch. The come up was too swift to be comfortable for me, so this time I took two 7.5 mg doses wrapped in small pieces of napkin 5 mins apart. It actually changed the character of the drug, if only by a small margin. I encourage everyone that has been intrigued by the differing subjective effects of related substituted tryptamines to attempt to alter the pharmacokinetics as I have and then experience the difference it makes.
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Xorkoth
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Thanks for the report! You could submit this to Trip Reports also. 
I wonder if staggering the doses would be good for me? I find it to come up so quickly that it reminds me mostly of smoked DMT. It's also over extremely fast, and it often just feels like it's stunned me and occasionally makes me pass out. If it grew to its effect more slowly, maybe it could be wonderful. I've had a few great trips on it including a +4, but usually it's the other way I described.
I wonder if staggering the doses would be good for me? I find it to come up so quickly that it reminds me mostly of smoked DMT. It's also over extremely fast, and it often just feels like it's stunned me and occasionally makes me pass out. If it grew to its effect more slowly, maybe it could be wonderful. I've had a few great trips on it including a +4, but usually it's the other way I described.
effingcustie
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I always dissolve this one in liquid and drink it slowly.. I definitely notice a difference dosing this way vs. taking it all at once and prefer it
StingRei
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Not me, I love how the come up starts hitting me in waves, it happens between hours 1 and 2, it just hits and hits and hits and my body curls with joy :D
I just waited a few days and took probably 16mg or so (I don't have a weigh but I evenly divided 200 into 10) at 4:30 and it is just now fading away.
I'm learning to let go and relax in social situations while I'm tripped out. It's hard but I'm getting it done.
I just waited a few days and took probably 16mg or so (I don't have a weigh but I evenly divided 200 into 10) at 4:30 and it is just now fading away.
I'm learning to let go and relax in social situations while I'm tripped out. It's hard but I'm getting it done.
Xorkoth
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It's so interesting to me how people generally seem to fall into one of two camps with this. Either they're like you, where it takes and hour or two to start working, comes in waves, and is relatively long. And then there's people like me where it starts to hit really fast and more closely resembles smoked DMT than mushrooms.
illumine
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I just got my first batch of 4-aco-dmt a few days ago. I tried one dose of 15mg. It was very nice and interesting, but I felt underwhelmed. I expected this though, as I was/am feeling my way into a new compound. I am going to go with 20mg next time, I think, perhaps 25mg.
I will say that I concur with those who feel that this shares a lot of qualities with n,n-DMT. I felt that the head space and the visions/visuals I was having were extremely similar to sub-breakthrough DMT doses. It had the archetypal tribal human collective quality that I've found with DMT. This is the only way I can put into words what I'm trying to describe. It's this deep archetypal, and seemingly collective or universal place in the being of our self-aware consciousness to which these compounds allow access, and which is actually portrayed in art from time to time.
I'm excited to explore it more... I'm very intriqued, Xorkoth, by what you're calling "breaking through" with 4-aco-dmt!
I will say that I concur with those who feel that this shares a lot of qualities with n,n-DMT. I felt that the head space and the visions/visuals I was having were extremely similar to sub-breakthrough DMT doses. It had the archetypal tribal human collective quality that I've found with DMT. This is the only way I can put into words what I'm trying to describe. It's this deep archetypal, and seemingly collective or universal place in the being of our self-aware consciousness to which these compounds allow access, and which is actually portrayed in art from time to time.
I'm excited to explore it more... I'm very intriqued, Xorkoth, by what you're calling "breaking through" with 4-aco-dmt!
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Jesusgreen
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Does anyone else get lots of visuals of eyes on 4-AcO-DMT? I've spoken to 4 or 5 people now, all of whom said they often get OEVs of eyes overlaid over their regular vision. This is interesting because I get these OEVs too, so I was just wondering, how about the rest of you?
polidelaiko
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I got the eyes too, very much like this
http://dollyrogers.nl/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sonicvision.jpg
http://dollyrogers.nl/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sonicvision.jpg
NW-baltiland
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very cool pic, and very much like the CEV's I get with 4-AcO-DMT, especially when I combine with Ketamine.
PANDAmonium
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Eyes and skulls seem to be prominent in my 4-aco-DMT trips. I've also noticed Hindi gods (Shiva in particular) and elephant deities.
Help?!?!
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^Have fun and enjoy the beauty!
Jesusgreen
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That's exactly how I got it, eyes like that overlaid over everything. When I mixed it with 2C-E I got the same only with eyes and faces rather than eyes alone, the faces seemed to mostly appear on my ceiling though for some reason, whereas the eyes were everywhere.
That's my OEVs anyway, in terms of CEVs I tend to see people, places, animals, very real images - like a dream in my head, which is very different from 2C-E, as with 2C-E I see explosions of colours, fractals and the like. Combining the two makes for some very interesting visuals, both open and closed eye.
BehindMind
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Try searching for "alex grey" "eyes".
I'm confident that he's fairly experienced in the psychedelic realm.
Jesusgreen
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Try searching for "alex grey" "eyes".
I'm confident that he's fairly experienced in the psychedelic realm.
Yeah I just edited my post after I remembered. So what other OEVs do you guys get from 4-AcO-DMT?
I often notice a coloured outline to things, it is very thin, and it looks sort of like when you have a bright coloured light in a room, here's an example of a picture I found quite similar (though in my experience the red, or sometimes green outline is thinner than this):
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