It feels very clean for me. My last time was with 17+7 mg and it was incredibly benign, which is unusual, as I tend to get significant body load on most psychedelics.
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It feels very clean for me. My last time was with 17+7 mg and it was incredibly benign, which is unusual, as I tend to get significant body load on most psychedelics.
I haven't tried either of those RC's but from what I read on them it seems to be common.
The limb flailing is still there in 4-ACO-DMT but pretty minor even at high doses. I've had 10 people including myself try it and all report the same at 20-30mg. As you see in my 60mg dose trip above it wasn't over the top.
Now 4-HO-MIPT I felt the tremors at peak and it lingered in my right knee for a day which concerned me but went away. While a friend had no tremors what so ever and one person a *friend of a friend* compared the tremors/sweating/drip to how he used to feel when he was addicted to crack.
Jblazingphoenix100 said:
Thanks for the replies.
I will try again tomorrow - with the same dose. Empty stomach this time.
And yes, 4-aco-dmt did feel quite sedating to me. I was actually yawning a few times, and my body felt very relaxed.
Xorkoth
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Yes, I find it very sedating, actually. It tends to make me fall asleep. I notice a VERY marked sedation from it. I always get absolutely zero bodyload, along with extreme sedation.
Jblazingphoenix100
Ex-Bluelighter
Mmm that's what I loved about it - apart from the short comeup nausea - pretty much no bodyload at all...very benign indeed!
When I was dancing I did have some nice tingles and energy surges - this was VERY subtle though.
When I was dancing I did have some nice tingles and energy surges - this was VERY subtle though.
naginnudej
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Perhaps you should post this question in ADD--might get some more attention.
It surely deserves it %)
So what would you guys do if you got an unexpected shitty body load from this one at just 14mg's (ie: tremors, GI distress, over-stimulation): never touch again, or test again with caution? I had no problems with iprocin or miprocin or even this at 12mg's, but maybe it was some sort of maoi-food interaction? Who knows, thanks for the reply though.
Delsyd
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4 aco DMT is not an MAOi as far as i know so it probably wasnt that.
Psychedelic experiences can vary fro each other even with the same substance.
I know ive gotten nausea on a psychedelic before and then had other trips on the same drug without any bodyload.
I wouldnt give up on just yet.
Give it another try at 12 or 14 and see if you react the same way.
Could have been a fluke.
You could also try plugging to reduce the bodyload.
Psychedelic experiences can vary fro each other even with the same substance.
I know ive gotten nausea on a psychedelic before and then had other trips on the same drug without any bodyload.
I wouldnt give up on just yet.
Give it another try at 12 or 14 and see if you react the same way.
Could have been a fluke.
You could also try plugging to reduce the bodyload.
Gave 4-aco-dmt another go. Dosed 30mg after waiting 3 hours to let any food sink in. Onset and come up was slow - around 45-50 minutes. After coming up I was left with the familiar stoned, trippy sort of mindstate, that I have come to associate with this substance. - Though it felt like something was lacking. Very little visual activity. At times a rather difficult trip mentally - negative, self analytical introspection.
Seems this one just dosent agree with me, maybe I was just expecting too much. Im putting it on the shelf for a while. I'll try another ROA next time, and see if that makes a difference.
Seems this one just dosent agree with me, maybe I was just expecting too much. Im putting it on the shelf for a while. I'll try another ROA next time, and see if that makes a difference.
Jblazingphoenix100
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^ Shit dude that sucks...This is definitely one of my favourite ones - top 10.
Little visual activity - at 14mg I had not much visual activity - enough to say I'm tripping - it came in waves of things breathing and rippling, and layers appearing in the landscape before my eyes. Not much colour change/saturation I found...Next time I try this (probably tomorrow night) I'll try it with 20mg in the evening, so it wears off around 10/11pm.
Definitely agree with the introspection thing - but was this bad for you? I mean, were you not expecting this? I was banking on it when I took it.
Little visual activity - at 14mg I had not much visual activity - enough to say I'm tripping - it came in waves of things breathing and rippling, and layers appearing in the landscape before my eyes. Not much colour change/saturation I found...Next time I try this (probably tomorrow night) I'll try it with 20mg in the evening, so it wears off around 10/11pm.
Definitely agree with the introspection thing - but was this bad for you? I mean, were you not expecting this? I was banking on it when I took it.
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I've had several experiences with 4-aco-dmt, and I must say that it is one of my favorites. It has proven to be very deep and spiritually resonating for me. It is very clean feeling in the body, with zero body load. Maybe there is a little tiny bit on the come up, but substantially nothing. It is definitely sedating, and when the peak effects are occuring, there is an overwhelming urge to shut ones eyes and just let go. Some of the best euphoria I have ever experienced from taking psychedelics came from a 4-aco-dmt experience, in which I did 40 mgs of 4-aco-dmt and while I was coming up I did several bumps of ketamine. I had an extremely spiritual experience, with an amazing peak experience occurring, followed by 5 or 6 hours of euphoria so deep that I was telling people stuff like I felt like I had eated handfulls of mdma, one guy even called me buddha because i was jsut sitting in one spot smiling for soooo long. This was at a music festival. But Yeah, 4-aco-dmt is definitely precious. Cherish it if you have it !
Oh, and I've mixed it with 2C-E to really good effect. I waited until about 5 hours into the 2C-E when i was really really peaking, and then took 20 mgs of 4-aco-dmt, and it blended into a nice, but really intense trip with great visuals, and a nice mix of 2C-E's non stop all around intensity, but 4-aco-dmt's chilled out, but still extreme mental psychedelia. Once the 4-aco-dmt hit, it's sedation seemed to mellow stuff out a lot body load wise, although at the very end of the night I was quite exhuasted.
Mostly, I highly recommend this drug with ketamine though, they reallly blend together nicely. Be prepared to be blown away though, far away.
Oh, and I've mixed it with 2C-E to really good effect. I waited until about 5 hours into the 2C-E when i was really really peaking, and then took 20 mgs of 4-aco-dmt, and it blended into a nice, but really intense trip with great visuals, and a nice mix of 2C-E's non stop all around intensity, but 4-aco-dmt's chilled out, but still extreme mental psychedelia. Once the 4-aco-dmt hit, it's sedation seemed to mellow stuff out a lot body load wise, although at the very end of the night I was quite exhuasted.
Mostly, I highly recommend this drug with ketamine though, they reallly blend together nicely. Be prepared to be blown away though, far away.
ikkyu
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^ How much 2C-E did you start with before adding the 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT? I've found 2C-E to be incredible with mushrooms, so I figure 4-AcO-DMT instead of the latter could make for an even more magical combination. Can't wait to try these together.
And yes, ketamine with 4-AcO-DMT is quite something!
And yes, ketamine with 4-AcO-DMT is quite something!
No, the introspection wasn't negative, the only thing negative was tremors and visiting the restroom over and over/nausea - hopefully this was an isolated incident though - cuz I have a lot more of it!!! haha!! Have fun though with that 20mg dose mang.
Jblazingphoenix100
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Hahaha - I had to go for a piss over and over too.
Didn't come any nausea after the comeup though... And tremors??? Fuuuuuck...I'd get rid of that in a way that makes your pocket a lil fatter imo *ahem*
Reading about the 4-aco & 2c-e combo makes me wanna do a combo!! I;ve never mixed 2 pyschs apart from 2c-e & 2c-b together... oh and a hippyflip...
Want to try some of these mental ones, likes maybe 4-aco-DMT with 2C-I/B - 2 proper psychs together.
Didn't come any nausea after the comeup though... And tremors??? Fuuuuuck...I'd get rid of that in a way that makes your pocket a lil fatter imo *ahem*
Reading about the 4-aco & 2c-e combo makes me wanna do a combo!! I;ve never mixed 2 pyschs apart from 2c-e & 2c-b together... oh and a hippyflip...
Want to try some of these mental ones, likes maybe 4-aco-DMT with 2C-I/B - 2 proper psychs together.
love_sex_desire
Bluelighter
First time with this new batch of 4-AcO-DMT from new supplier. This time the 4-AcO-DMT was a lot more white, amost a brilliant white, and a litle bit clumpier and a tad sticky to the sdes of the bag, whereas my first batch from a different source was more coarse, grainy and was a duller white colour.
First trial with new batch was a modest 15 mg fumarate (other friends had tried lower doses from same batch as we all should be doing since the 2C-B-FLY/Bromo-DragonFLY incident).
Setting was at Avatar 3D at the IMAX.
This drug is very benign, very sedating (my friend described it as a psychedelic opiate) and rather entactogenic. The 4-AcO-DMT definitely enhanced the stunning visuals of Avatar. I had seen Avatar sober at a regular movie theatre before, but my girlfriend hadn't seen it yet so I figured it would be worth seeing it at the IMAX on something. 4-AcO-DMT seemed the natural choice because we have a new batch from a trusted vendor to try and the experience is usually sedating which seems appropriate when having to sit throughout a movie while on a psychedelic.
I could definitely tell a marked difference between seeing it sober and seeing it on 4-AcO-DMT. Al though it was a modest dose the visuals were enhanced and neons were brightened.
More noticeable was the psychological effects of the psilacetin. My girlfriend and I could not help but profess our love to one another throughout the movie, laying with our heads atop one another. It defiitely has entactogenic properties.
The psilacetin was very sedating in an enjoyable way. I was laying close to my girlfriend very comfortably in the cramped theatre and there was marked euphoria.
My girlfriend has generalized anxiety and modest depression and has been having panic attacks when she can't get to sleep at night. The insomnia has started since we are moving, and al though we are moving to a much better house and away from a roommate who unfortunately went manic recently, the stress and excitement has been overwhelming and has catalyzed insomnia which leads to panic attacks.
One thing she noticed was the clarity 4-AcO-DMT provided. She felt very content with who she is, despite all of her anxiety, and has not felt better about herself in a long time. She said unlike mushrooms which can be confusing, 4-AcO-DMT is very clear and gave her insight into the positive aspects of who she is. Even though this was not an ordinary trip where we do psychedelics at home and have the opportunity to tallk about or emotions, insights and thoughts, my girlfriend still found the experience to be very therapeutic and we both looked back on the night with a smile and appreciation for life.
Summary:
We felt very much in love and connected/entactogenic.
We felt an enjoyable, calm and relaxed sedation.
We felt euphoria.
We felt clarity.
We felt we benefited therapeutically.
We felt energy flowing through our field of vision, reminding us of our interconnected nature throughout our reality.
We felt this compound is very bening and very forgiving and much higher doses of this batch may be explored safely.
I must reiterate the last point that this compound is very benign and forgiving. My girlfriend has been having panic attacks recently and has recently felt heightened levels of depression and anxiety due to a few stresses in our life that will ultimately benefit ourselves and our relationship. I am aways hesitant to trip with friends and lovers in emotional turmoil, but with 4-AcO-DMT this compound is quite the opposite. Whereas mushrooms or many other psychedelics may have spiralled my girlfriend into a confusing state of stress and panic due to her underying mind set recently, she felt a sense of clarity and excitement for the changes we are in the midst of completing.
This is where the major difference between musrhooms and psilacetin has been noted by me. Psilacetin is clarity and benign, mushrooms are more unpredicatable and can be confusing and mentally challenging.
This compound has been very therapeutic and beneficial and is the only psychedelic I would recommend someone considering when in any sort of emotional turmoil (al though Ive never done ayahuasca or mescaline, which I believe may also be very therapeutic and beneficial for people in emotional turmoil, al though I'm unsure.)
I apologize for the length but I hope this sheds light onto this wondeful substace.
Amongst 4-AcO-DMT and 2C-E we have the kings of the tryptamine and phenethylamine research chemicals respectively.
First trial with new batch was a modest 15 mg fumarate (other friends had tried lower doses from same batch as we all should be doing since the 2C-B-FLY/Bromo-DragonFLY incident).
Setting was at Avatar 3D at the IMAX.
This drug is very benign, very sedating (my friend described it as a psychedelic opiate) and rather entactogenic. The 4-AcO-DMT definitely enhanced the stunning visuals of Avatar. I had seen Avatar sober at a regular movie theatre before, but my girlfriend hadn't seen it yet so I figured it would be worth seeing it at the IMAX on something. 4-AcO-DMT seemed the natural choice because we have a new batch from a trusted vendor to try and the experience is usually sedating which seems appropriate when having to sit throughout a movie while on a psychedelic.
I could definitely tell a marked difference between seeing it sober and seeing it on 4-AcO-DMT. Al though it was a modest dose the visuals were enhanced and neons were brightened.
More noticeable was the psychological effects of the psilacetin. My girlfriend and I could not help but profess our love to one another throughout the movie, laying with our heads atop one another. It defiitely has entactogenic properties.
The psilacetin was very sedating in an enjoyable way. I was laying close to my girlfriend very comfortably in the cramped theatre and there was marked euphoria.
My girlfriend has generalized anxiety and modest depression and has been having panic attacks when she can't get to sleep at night. The insomnia has started since we are moving, and al though we are moving to a much better house and away from a roommate who unfortunately went manic recently, the stress and excitement has been overwhelming and has catalyzed insomnia which leads to panic attacks.
One thing she noticed was the clarity 4-AcO-DMT provided. She felt very content with who she is, despite all of her anxiety, and has not felt better about herself in a long time. She said unlike mushrooms which can be confusing, 4-AcO-DMT is very clear and gave her insight into the positive aspects of who she is. Even though this was not an ordinary trip where we do psychedelics at home and have the opportunity to tallk about or emotions, insights and thoughts, my girlfriend still found the experience to be very therapeutic and we both looked back on the night with a smile and appreciation for life.
Summary:
We felt very much in love and connected/entactogenic.
We felt an enjoyable, calm and relaxed sedation.
We felt euphoria.
We felt clarity.
We felt we benefited therapeutically.
We felt energy flowing through our field of vision, reminding us of our interconnected nature throughout our reality.
We felt this compound is very bening and very forgiving and much higher doses of this batch may be explored safely.
I must reiterate the last point that this compound is very benign and forgiving. My girlfriend has been having panic attacks recently and has recently felt heightened levels of depression and anxiety due to a few stresses in our life that will ultimately benefit ourselves and our relationship. I am aways hesitant to trip with friends and lovers in emotional turmoil, but with 4-AcO-DMT this compound is quite the opposite. Whereas mushrooms or many other psychedelics may have spiralled my girlfriend into a confusing state of stress and panic due to her underying mind set recently, she felt a sense of clarity and excitement for the changes we are in the midst of completing.
This is where the major difference between musrhooms and psilacetin has been noted by me. Psilacetin is clarity and benign, mushrooms are more unpredicatable and can be confusing and mentally challenging.
This compound has been very therapeutic and beneficial and is the only psychedelic I would recommend someone considering when in any sort of emotional turmoil (al though Ive never done ayahuasca or mescaline, which I believe may also be very therapeutic and beneficial for people in emotional turmoil, al though I'm unsure.)
I apologize for the length but I hope this sheds light onto this wondeful substace.
Amongst 4-AcO-DMT and 2C-E we have the kings of the tryptamine and phenethylamine research chemicals respectively.
love_sex_desire
Bluelighter
I'm intrigued by the 2C-E and 4-AcO-DMT combo as I have self-appointed these chems as the reigning kings of the psychedelic phenethylamine and tryptamine classes respectively.
How much 2C-E did you take before dropping 20 mg of 4-AcO-DMT? I'm assuming your 4-AcO-DMT is fumarate.
I find 2C-E to be very visually intense but mentally clear, and 4-AcO-DMT to be intense psychologically as well as visually in higher doses with the same clarity as 2C-E. The mix seems to have the potential to create wild visuals and an extremely psychedelic state of mind, while still maintaining complete control and clarity.
I wonder how adding a bump of ketamine to a 2C-E/4-AcO-DMT combo would affect the nature of the experience.
May I ask you why you prefer mixing ketamine with 4-AcO-DMT rather than mixing 2C-E with 4-AcO-DMT?
(Or is that just cuz everyone loves doing ketamine on classic psychedelics lol)
One other queston, was this music festival by any chance Shambhala in British Columbia!?!? If so, and this is a long shot, but a bunch of my friends where I live (in Winnipeg), were in awe when they found out I had 4-AcO-DMT after describing a guy at Shambhala who was in a state of completely overwhelming ecstasy kissing the earth proclaiming his love for everything while claiming that he was on 4-AcO-DMT. Long shot but I tought I'd ask
Love & Light!
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Does anyone know a good solvent for 4-aco-dmt? I'm getting a gram and want to make 20mg doses. Capsules are fiddly and very time consuming, so I was thinking make a concentrated solution, and drop it onto sugar cubes. But I'm in the UK and we can't get everclear. So I was wondering if anyone knows whether isopropyl alcohol or acetone will dissolve 4-aco.
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