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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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Yeah this shit is amazing alright . IT reminds me of 100mg snorted DMT kind of. 23mg was taken the other day and within 5-10 min effects were noted and at around the 30min points jelly legs started to come on so i just sit there from about the 30min point to about the the 1 1/2 hr point in sort of a dmt like trance. Ofcourse not intense as smoked DMT but I definitely had to surrender to the drug and not fight it. No egoloss or anything like that but CEV consisted of snaked, lizards and other repilian like creatures aswell as kliedoscopic imagery. The thing with DMT based drugs is that I always feel a sort of healing property with them and they feel so safe. The visuals were over at about the 3hr point and the mental effects slowly were off at around the 4,5,6 hr point. 4-aco-dmt is so theraputic. I have had some of the best conversations with people while under the influence. nEVER done mushrooms so i cant compare.
 
What's the most stable form to store 4-aco-dmt in at room temperature? Is there any form it can be kept without cooling that will keep it stable for at least a couple months? When it degrades, what does it degrade into? Anything potentially nasty? I've been considering this one for a while, but its apparent instability at room temperature is a problem for me in the short term.
 
SpiralOut said:
What about 5-meo-dmt? People seem to have the ability to smoke it, wait a bit, smoke some more, etc. I'm wondering if a few forays into it would really wreck our tryptamine tolerance for the weekend.
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I wouldn't think smoking it would produce too much of a cross tolerance, but that's just me extrapolating my experience with dmt & other psychedelics. Only one way to find out...
 
25 mg Is not that much to be called an epic or overdose. There's a thread somewhere equating ~23 mg to 1/8 of cubensis. Fumarate salts make the dosing less potent per weight. I took a good 25 my first go. Know your body..
 
so i don't have an accurate scale and i'm not going to do liquid measurement because i have a 500mg sample and i don't want to increase the rate of degradation by dissolving the whole thing since i will be storing it at room temperature in the dark and not in the fridge/freezer.

i know there is no accurate or reliable way of deriving a single dose from my sample with the aforementioned lack of scale and not wanting to use liquid measurement. but is there maybe a rule of thumb on this one as how to get a first time sized dose out of the whole 500mg? (i.e. a pile the circumference of a pea or dime or something similar)

i figure if anything i can just start really really small and work my way up (which i plan on doing anyway but any tips on finding a good starting point would be great)
 
Al_S_Dee said:
Can someone confirm if this is true? Is 4-AcO-DMT stable at room temperature indefinitely or not?
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The fumarate is more stable than the HCl. From what I've gathered, if you have 4-AcO-DMT HCl it probably will break down at room temperature. If you have 4-AcO-DMT fumarate it should be okay at room temperature for a while. I'm not sure how long, I always freeze tryptamines just to be safe.
 
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so i don't have an accurate scale and i'm not going to do liquid measurement because i have a 500mg sample and i don't want to increase the rate of degradation by dissolving the whole thing since i will be storing it at room temperature in the dark and not in the fridge/freezer.

i know there is no accurate or reliable way of deriving a single dose from my sample with the aforementioned lack of scale and not wanting to use liquid measurement. but is there maybe a rule of thumb on this one as how to get a first time sized dose out of the whole 500mg? (i.e. a pile the circumference of a pea or dime or something similar)

i figure if anything i can just start really really small and work my way up (which i plan on doing anyway but any tips on finding a good starting point would be great)
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If you have access to a double point scale do a liquid measurement with 100-200 mg at a time. It wont be perfectly accurate, but probably close enough.

Large doses can be pretty intense though! My buddy did 35 mg last night and had a DMT-like breakthrough experience. He experienced a transdimensional realm superimposed over his open and closed eyes. There were beings trying to help humanity that were contemplating scrapping all of humanity because of how crazy we are!

He said it was rather overwhelming but extremely epic and he definitely enjoyed it a lot.

This was 35 mg of fumarate.
 
polidelaiko said:
^Buy a scale. 25 Bucks on ebay.
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i don't think a 25 dollar scale is gonna help at all.

i'm not gonna spend the amount of money necessary to get a scale for measuring these quantities as this is probably going to be the only RC i try for a long while.

so is there anything i could compare the amount to in size. maybe someone could send me a pic of a weighed dose next to something so i could get somewhat of an idea of how much i should be going for?

this is all still under the assumption that i don't have a scale and won't have a scale that's accurate enough for these small amounts.

if i'm SOL that's fine too i'll just start very small and work my way up.
 
a 25 dollar scale is gonna help a ton.

even though a 25 dollar scale is not perfect for dosing individual measurements, you will be able to weigh out 100mg with great accuracy, then use liquid measurement to acquire accurate divisions.

you CANNOT measure solid powders by volume or size.
 
ahhh good point. i had forgotten about density
but couldn't i get at least some point of reference for the substance not compressed at all. i mean considering i'm not packing it into something and would be dosing from a loose powder it shouldn't be that dense should it?

so anyone of those 100 X .01 gram scales would work for weighing out 100mg?

edit: scratch those ebay scales i just ordered a cheap .001gram scale on amazon. AWS DIA-20 so i'll figure out something with that. however i'm planning to sample this substance this weekend whether or not my scale arrives in time so if anyone has a good rule of thumb for figuring out a small dose of this substance without it being compressed or super fluffy just lightly taken from a larger sample it would be appreciated.
 
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Yes that scale will work fine.

Also, I remember hearing that 2 piles that look the same can contain very different amounts depending on how the molecules fall on each other and stack but this may not be true.
 
@ ASA
Do what you will but when you do get that scale, I think you'll be amazed by how little 25mg of anything actually is. I can state for a fact that, before having weighed mg's on a scale, if someone were to have handed me a chem and asked me to eyeball 25 mg I would have overshot by at least 50mg.
 
I know this question comes up a lot, but 20 minutes of searching leaves me no closer to a definitive answer on the stability of the fumarate salt at room temperature, either dry or in solution. If it's stored in an airtight dark container but not kept cool, how quickly will it degrade? Does anyone have any specific information (e.g., "I kept some fumarate powder in a capsule in my desk for 3 months and when I took it it seemed [fully potent/not as potent]" or even better "I stored fumarate at room temperature and it seemed noticeably less potent after about X days/weeks/months")? I would like to try this one but only if it can survive at room temperature long enough to go through a reasonable amount - I don't want to order only 100mg or something and I don't want half of it to go to waste due to degradation.

Less important, but still relevant, is how dramatic this changes when fumarate is in solution (and if the choice of solvent affects this). If it can be kept stable at room temperature for a reasonable length, but only dry, I would still want to mix up probably 100mg at a time to reduce measurement error via liquid dosing. How long would I want to keep that 100mg around before consuming it to avoid the dreaded degradation?
 
solistus said:
I know this question comes up a lot, but 20 minutes of searching leaves me no closer to a definitive answer on the stability of the fumarate salt at room temperature, either dry or in solution. If it's stored in an airtight dark container but not kept cool, how quickly will it degrade? Does anyone have any specific information (e.g., "I kept some fumarate powder in a capsule in my desk for 3 months and when I took it it seemed [fully potent/not as potent]" or even better "I stored fumarate at room temperature and it seemed noticeably less potent after about X days/weeks/months")? I would like to try this one but only if it can survive at room temperature long enough to go through a reasonable amount - I don't want to order only 100mg or something and I don't want half of it to go to waste due to degradation.

Less important, but still relevant, is how dramatic this changes when fumarate is in solution (and if the choice of solvent affects this). If it can be kept stable at room temperature for a reasonable length, but only dry, I would still want to mix up probably 100mg at a time to reduce measurement error via liquid dosing. How long would I want to keep that 100mg around before consuming it to avoid the dreaded degradation?
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Well I can't tell you how long it will take to degrade at room temp but dissolving it in liquid seems to greatly increase the rate of degradation. A few days ago there was a thread were someone claimed they had some psilacetin dissolved in water and it turned a blackish color in a week or so. Take that for what you will.
 
I am interested in an answer to something that I will get to in a minute about an LSD-like nature during the latter aspect of the experience, but I also wanted to share the love. This one took me there for sure. ---

Wow. This is some great material. I have now experimented with it at three levels (10mgs, 14mgs, and 20mgs), and I'll have to say that I am thoroughly impressed. Especially with the last (20mg) dose.

With the first two tries, I had great success, but I was sort of, because of other semi-synthetic tryptamines, anticipating side effects. None at all noted that were bothersome in the least. I cannot think of a compound that has so much warmth and just plain good nature, despite the intensity, other than MDMA itself or something very similar like Methylone.

At the peak, I felt like I was being held by the Divine Creator Himself whilst seeing a fountain of light with water dripping, flowing, and splashing all over the place in the most intricate designs and colors. It is interesting that when the intense part wears of, it feels very much like I had ingested LSD at some point during the day. I still felt like going out to eat afterwords, as with Psilocybes, I would be more likely to go to bed.

Definitely expect a trip report soon. I just wanted to share the love with this, mostly, but I was wondering if anyone else seemed to experience the uncanny, LSD-like after effect. I know there are alot of comparisons to DMT, which I have only tried by insufflating Yopo mixed with calcium (in low doses), and I can attest to that. Definitely not like eating a handful of Psilocybes.
 
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