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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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Prea said:
Do you guys think 4acodmt would be very nice with some mdma?
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Done that a couple times, definitely very nice. Wish I had gone higher than 24mgs though. The next time i get any psilacetin i'm gonna be a little more liberal with the dosage, i was way too cautious and lowballed it everytime the last time i had a quantity.

It will turn 4-Aco-DMT (psilacetin) into 4-Ho-DMT (psilocin). The latter is "more illegal" then the former
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Yes, some people maintain that there is a detectable difference in the two, but everyone who i've heard say that is very experienced with both of those chems. I've only had the acetoxy, so I can't say for sure myself. I think the hydroxy counterpart's dosage is a bit lower due to its lower molecular weight.
 
.Felix. said:
Acquiring 500 mg soon. I don't have a nice MG scale, can I mix it into a solution of h20 to weigh out? It is furmate so I don't know if it may mess with dissolving into water?

500mg 4-aco-dmt=100ml h20
5mg=1ml?
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Don't forget that tryptamines don't last an incredibly long time in solution. It's best to keep them cool and dry. Having alcohol as the solvent could make it last a bit longer.

If you're able to only dissolve some of your stash to get an accurate dose that'd be the best way. That way you could keep your main stockpile cool and dry.
 
Indeed but keeping the powder in ideal conditions is a whole lot better than dissolving it in aqueous solution. :\

Keeping it cool and dry at least gives it a chance to last a decent amount of time.
 
Zenix Malano said:
I got some 5-MeO-DMT years ago when *a now defunct vendor* was still around. It made me feel like I was underwater, and it was extremely difficult to breathe. The smoke tastes profoundly awful, and although I went through a half gram of it, I never had a breakthrough experience.

Tried 4-AcO-DMT (15 mgs) last weekend. Despite all I heard about it not being like mushrooms, it felt an awful lot like mushrooms, more so than 4-ho-DET. After the peak, I took 150 mgs of methylone, and communed with nature on the farm as I watched the dawn. Luckily, a friend was awake, and came over at 4 in the morning. We shared another couple hundred mgs of methylone as flocks of turkeys appeared from the misty forest and woodpeckers lit up the trees and shit. All in all, this was a much better experience than the last time I ate an 1/8th oz of mushrooms. I hadn't felt so "perfect" in ages and didn't seem to have a hangover either.
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Can you elaborate about your 4-HO-DET experience? I wasn't aware of anyone on here who has experience with it aside from MGS and nuke. I agree that 4-AcO-DMT is more gentle than mushrooms and certainly the harshness of ethocin. Did you ingest ever methylone on any of your 4-HO-DET trips?
 
How long of time? Well, i just read somewhere that furmate is less potent than other form? If I take 20mgs of furmate will I still get in a decent trip? What would you guys recomend as a starting dose of the furmate? Kind of dissapointed to know that I wont get as many trips out of this stuff as I thought. :\
 
^I think most dosing discussion is probably talking about the fumarate.. it's most likely the only form that's been available
 
so than peoples dose of 15-20 mgs is fine? I had read somewhere on a different forum that it wouldn't be and that 250mgs is only enough for 10 mild trips or 5 strong? I wanted to ask the intellects from bl :)

Also, I do not have money atm for a nice scale, I am saving though. That is why I wanted to use the liquid method. I also like this method because it seems so easy and accurate. I just don't want to have to worry about my substance if I am going to have it for a couple months.
 
That may be true if you have some kind of tolerance or just like to trip really hard. But IME a 20 mg dose of the fumarate is a pretty solid trip

And 50 mg would be considered a pretty high dose by most I think
 
.Felix. said:
How long of time? Well, i just read somewhere that furmate is less potent than other form? If I take 20mgs of furmate will I still get in a decent trip? What would you guys recomend as a starting dose of the furmate? Kind of dissapointed to know that I wont get as many trips out of this stuff as I thought.
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Obviously the fumarate counterion is much larger than something like hcl, but fumarate is the most stable form so it is the most common form available.
40mg of the fumarate salt was a strong, but very pleasent trip for me :D

If you do happen to find yourself with the base or hcl form, there is an easy conversion chart here.
 
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Soon I will be procuring some for the collection. For a while I will not be doing any trials whatsoever besides maybe an acidtrip of less than epic proportions, but after that I'm psyched to have this stuff stashed.
It sounds so good! <3
Hopefully the differences with mushrooms are significant, I mean mushroom euphoria is about the best type there is but mindfucky weird shit like stuff is way off and the world is going crazy, me no like very much. But 4-acetoxy seems to be an improvement on these critical areas...
If its more LSDey or DMTey this should be a spectacular winner.
 
i am hoping to also soon get ahold of some of this chemical....

i know a few shroomers who heard about it and are quite thrilled to give this one a go....
 
I was just reading the old and overgrown psilacetin thread and it really sounds like a true gem...

Although I'm going to change my attitute towards casual tripping I have been in need of some healing, I will probably keep some of this at hand while the rest is gone and do some good work with it, seems so benign <3

Next monday I will get some of this sent to me, a week after that or so it should be here.
 
im kind of excited, this will be my first time delving into tryptamine research chems if i do get some....
 
My friend has some in transit...

I have read for a few hours on this compound today.. but I'd prefer direct answers as I got a wide array of answers today....

My first involves dosing... I've heard people say 15 was plenty while others suggest 30-40 is a good spot.. I'm thinking 20mg will be a good starting ground (plenty of previous psychedelic experiences but limited with tryptamine experience)... does this sound reasonable?

My second question is storage... I do own a mg scale... but it's a cheaper one that I don't honestly trust accuracy but to around 10mg... I generally use liquid measurement... how quickly does this compound truly decompose in dH2O? Would it be more preferable then to only put like 100mg at a time in solution and leave the rest sealed with a desiccant?
 
isotopic_parody said:
My friend has some in transit...

I have read for a few hours on this compound today.. but I'd prefer direct answers as I got a wide array of answers today....

My first involves dosing... I've heard people say 15 was plenty while others suggest 30-40 is a good spot.. I'm thinking 20mg will be a good starting ground (plenty of previous psychedelic experiences but limited with tryptamine experience)... does this sound reasonable?
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Personally I would start with 15 mg, enough people are quite sensitive to tryptamines (I am a little more than average as well). It sounds like a total winner to me and I have plenty of experience with all sorts of chemicals but there is still no need to get your freak on the very first time. There is always a possibility of a next time right?

My second question is storage... I do own a mg scale... but it's a cheaper one that I don't honestly trust accuracy but to around 10mg... I generally use liquid measurement... how quickly does this compound truly decompose in dH2O? Would it be more preferable then to only put like 100mg at a time in solution and leave the rest sealed with a desiccant?
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I've read lots of old posts about psilacetin and I definitely remember people saying that the fumarate - which is probably just about the only one going around - is remarkably stable.
Even at room temperature without taking special measures people say that there is really no noticeable degradation after the good part of a year! So when storing properly this stuff should hold out long enough for most peoples needs.
 
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