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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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A ++++ on the Shulgin scale does not relate to intensity.. One can have a ++++ experience on an otherwise ++ trip, although it happens rarely. It is the ultimate mystical/transcendental/religous/etc experience, ego death, state of samadhi etc (it has many names).
 
It is the ultimate mystical/transcendental/religous/etc experience, ego death, state of samadhi etc (it has many names).
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Based on this definition I find it hard to place on this scale, as it's been about a week now since the trip and I'm having difficulty integrating the experience....(now that time has passed I'm finding that perhaps the trip didn't lack insight, but was so quick and unfamilliar that I needed time to reflect.) It was more than a +++ but so different from the two or three ++++ 's that I've had, that it's hard to compare. The "ultimate mystical" experiences I've had on mushrooms and acid took me to place with clarity and showed me my conection to the universe...this felt like an alien entity, which is new for me....perhaps that sounds strange... maybe after this weekends experiments with 2c-e and 4-aco I'll be better able to explain myself.
 
It is the ultimate mystical/transcendental/religous/etc experience, ego death, state of samadhi etc (it has many names).
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See I just can't call a plus 4 the 'ultimate.' There are many derivations of mystical experiences, the ultimate of which isn't even a state of experience. There are many purported plus 4s that like 'everything is interconnected, god and I are one'. Try having that driving home from work/school, try having that in the shower, try having that falling asleep, try having that asleep, try having that experience every moment of every day and you're still just on the path to the 'ulitmate'.
 
^^^^I agree whole-heartedly....after my limited 29 years and so many psychedelic experiences I am still sometimes dazzeled by the beauty of life (and my lack of ability to honor it). And I struggle to hold onto that realization every day.... though thats not easy.... I guess this thread isn't the right place to express that struggle...
Anyhow, I just tried 10mg IM. That was 2 hours ago, and in retrospect I think the IM route is a much more useable, and integratable experience than the IV route. This experience deserves a trip report, and though the 28mg IV also deserves a report...it was SO OUT THERE and riddled with sickness that I couldn't make much use of it. I think IM is a far better ROA for someone like me who hasn't tripped in a while. All I can say is WOW...this drug on it's own dazzels the senses, especially outdoors like tonight.

I find the IM route much more managle and as I said, NO sickness, and it is quite complete as a psychedelic....but for hardheaded trippers IV is worth investigating... I'd also be curious to hear from others who have tried the IV route, and if they experienced and nausea from it.

That there is the stubborn sense of myself which cringes at a remark as cliched as "We are all One", and that this is due to my inability to remain constantly aware of the fact that the amazement of Oneness, as an expression of itself, can only be unspoken, unrealized, and unshared. We are all it,
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This sentiment from another thread should just preceed everything I ever say, ever...
 
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Perhaps the IM trip is alot more manageable because you only did 10mg as opposed to 28mg, like when you IV'd.

Id be interested to hear what you think of IM.
i found 10mg oral to be a good trip. 22mg was the highest ive gone and i probably could have taken it higher.

IM interests me because i would really like to stretch what i have for as long as possible, and if IM requires lower doses than oral i would surely try it.
 
ive had trips on psilacetin from the same batch last different amounts of time.
anywhere from 3-6 hours in my experience.

stomach contents and method of ingestion probably play a role in this.

But also people seem to have very different reations to this chem as far as length goes.

Xorkoth, for instance, has short trips like you described. While others are reporting the effects to last much longer than that.
 
IM and IV actually seemed to last around the same length for me....both dropped off after 3 or 4 hours. There was quite a difference in the visuals with 10mg IM when compared to the 28 IV. Not that I'm surprised lol, but the visuals of 10mg IM were actually similar to some mushroom trips I've had so I can see why some people find the two to be alike. As I've said before, I have never experienced visuals like I got from the IV route on any psychedelic, but I just got some n,n DMT which I'll try for the first time next week so I'll be able to compare. The next thing I want to try is to see if I can achieve visuals as powerful via the IM route with higher dosages. I really enjoyed IV but I fear the come up is too fast for me and I'll end up puking again lol. I'll try 30mg IM in a few days and tell you how it goes. I also want to stretch this stash as far as I can, but I'll be trying it orally in Algonquin park near the end of July. In my experience, most drugs seem to be active at lower doses with any parenteral route, but I'm not sure by how much.

Perhaps the IM trip is alot more manageable because you only did 10mg as opposed to 28mg, like when you IV'd.
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This did occur to me lol, but usually heavy doses of tryptamines don't make me sick.....in fact I've never puked from them ever, though I have felt nausea from large amount of mushrooms and syrian rue. When I said managable I wasn't refering to the intensity, just the body load and the differing character of the high. A few people on bluelight who have tried 4-aco IV have mentioned getting sick, so I wonder if it's just the speed of onset or specifically the ROA. For those of you who have experience with smoking or injecting DMT, do you ever get sick from that? And has anyone felt nauseous from 4-aco orally? Because this seems like one of the gentler RC's on the body. Of course I had eaten recently as well, and I normally avoid food for about 6 hours before tripping.
 
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Ok tried 40mg IM last night and I'd say that IM is definitely my prefered ROA for this drug. No nausea, and beautiful visuals. And my friend who also tried it says he finds that the IM route is about twice as potent compared to oral. It seems much more psychedelic when injected and personally, unless you have a lot of this drug to spare, I think taking it orally is a bit of a waste.
 
Diacetyl-M said:
No nausea
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Do you say this because it usually gives you nausea orally? I tried it for the first time a couple days ago and had nausea (very uncomfortable feeling in my stomach for a while, but whenever I thought I was gonna puke I just dry heaved, even though I had eaten no more than two hours before) which surprised me since I haven't heard much about it causing nausea around here, and I never get nausea from mushrooms, while many others do. Earlier that day I did throw up a little in my mouth though, so my stomach may just have been in bad shape that day for some other reason.
 
i dont know what to tell you.

i get nausea and vomit on pretty much every psychedelic (including LSD a couple times and other psychs ppl usually dont get nausea with) but found psilacetin to be very transparant on the body.

im guessing it may have been your stomach that day.
 
I too find psilacetin relatively benign in the body, but if taken in the 30+ mg dose range I have experienced slight bouts of nausea on the come-up. My stomach is also very sensitive to most psychedelics, especially the 2C's - tryptamines have usually been more forgiving for me in that aspect.
 
Yeah I have definitely had some nasty nausea on 2cs (mostly E and T2, I is fairly gentle on me), but not usually with tryptamines.

I'd also guess it was just not a good day for my stomach, but who knows. Either way it's a lovely chem worth enduring a little nausea
 
Does anyone have any experience combining 4-aco-dmt with 2c-e? I think it could be either breathtakingly beautiful and/or harrowing. Thinking of going there tomorrow. If anyone has any advice or information, I'd appreciate it.
 
^ No experience with the combo, but was thinking of trying it sometime soon, so if you end up doing it let us know how it goes!
 
Do you say this because it usually gives you nausea orally? I tried it for the first time a couple days ago and had nausea (very uncomfortable feeling in my stomach for a while, but whenever I thought I was gonna puke I just dry heaved
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No I don't get nausea when I take this orally. I meant in comparison to IV injection, which made me quite sick for 10mins. But the trip was well worth it still ;) I tried 20mg 4-Aco-DMT IM last night with 10-15mg 2c-e insufflated in three parts and spaced every 10 mins. I have a bit of tolerance right now, but had a very enjoyable experience with no body load. The combination of the 2 types of visuals from the 2c-e and 4-Aco were absolutely gorgeous :)

Does anyone have any experience combining 4-aco-dmt with 2c-e? I think it could be either breathtakingly beautiful and/or harrowing. Thinking of going there tomorrow. If anyone has any advice or information, I'd appreciate it.
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To get the most out of the trip I would take the 2c-e first and wait till your on your peak and then IM some 4-Aco-DMT. Just so you all know, using 4-Aco via IM injection is at least twice as powerful than orally. I think the oral bioavailability of 4-Aco is probably only around 50%. I have no info to back up that statement, but theres no question that IM is a much more efficient route which results in a more visual trip that lasts just as long.
 
Is this really proof? If you had the fumarate and it wasn't exposed to heat or light or anything maybe it did not degrade. Maybe the synth was done well.
But there can very well be conditions that deacetylate the 4-AcO-DMT, especially if its like a HCl salt instead.
It's not a myth if you ask me, but a very plausible possibility.

Hopefully I'll have some of this stuff in a week or 3. Quite promising, going by the sound of it!
 
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has anybody noticed an incredibly short duration for this substance when taken orally?
i took roughly 15 mg two months ago and i remember the trip going strong for about three hours, similar to say 2 grams of mushrooms and then in between the third and fourth hour it dropped off super fast. by the end of hour 4 i was at baseline and had no afterglow unlike mushrooms. has anyone else experienced something like this?

next time i try it i'm going to consume in a gel cap. for this trip i'm mentioning we consumed it in a glass of water and we were tripping within 10 minutes after drinking the water. i feel that might have something to do with this short duration.
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4-AcO-DMT was always incredibly short for me. Within 15 minutes of taking it, I'm rapidly coming up and within 2.5-3 hours after taking it I'm virtually back to baseline. Powdered mushrooms in lemon juice has a similar effects timeline for me, but 4-AcO-DMT is still noticeably quicker.

I find the super-short duration great because often its hard to find the time to devote to a longer trip, but finding 3 hours is quite easy especially for such a rewarding substance. The fact that, physically its almost unnoticeable with no residual stimulant effects and a come down as rapid as the come up is another positive.

Early in the original thread, BD described 4-AcO-DMT as being like shrooms but without any of the negative aspects of shrooms. For me ayahuasca is also a good comparison. I find 4-AcO-DMT is much like a gentle ayahuasca. One can have very profound experiences without all the puking, body load and hellish mental anguish.
 
^ I also found 4-aco-dmt pretty similar to ayahuasca, especially their sedative-like effects.
 
4-aco-dmt

I see there have been threads on this substance here in the past, but upon reading through them I did not find the answer to the question I had been asking myself, so I will ask you all.


You see experience logs, estimation in dosage... etc for 4-aco-dmt, but I am wondering... what percentage of this information that i am reading is the fumarate of 4-aco-dmt/salt of....


i know that 15mg 4-aco-dmt = 21mg 4-aco-dmt fumarate.


I am starting to assume (with good reason), that anyone who possesses this or has experienced it has experienced the fumarate, simply because it makes it easier for the creator of the the drug to handle the drug.

what do you think? seems to me a mistaken 6mg difference could make a world of difference in thought/function/ego loss for someone who isn't that hard headed in psychedelics. namely my woman lol

thanks, this is my first post too... nice site seems very informative!
 
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