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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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Can't wait to try out this psychedelic jem...sounds like it's similar to mushrooms but without the anxiety on the come up and maybe a little dab of DMT thrown into the mix as well.

Would some of you who have tried this compound recommend starting off with a smaller dose (10mg - 15mg) or is this chemical forgiving enough to skip that stage and go straight to a higher dose? I'm pretty experienced with tripping especially on tryptamines.

This one really sounds like what I've been looking for in a psychedelic since I started =D.
 
^ I've taken it up to 35mg and never experienced any of that anxiety mushrooms can give me, so yeah, I'd say it's pretty forgiving. Nothing wrong with starting low with a new substance to get to know it better first, though. Personally, I started at 20mg, which for me was a nice introductory level.

And I do agree - psilacetin is wonderful. Almost as great as mushrooms for me. I haven't tried pure psilocin, something tells me that if there is a perfect psychedelic for me, it would be that one. Or DMT, which I also have yet to taste.
 
Thanks for the responses....I think I'll probably take your guys advice and try it alone to start.....I'm fairly experienced with tryptamines so I think I'll go for 25mg IV..... only because I feel confident about it's wide margin of saftey.
 
With IV psilacetin expect a trip more like DMT than than psilacetin normally is, but with a longer duration.
Check out some of psoodonyms posts for more info on IV psilacetin.
 
^I've only used it IM, but I've commented on psilocybonaut's IV reports in this thread. That's probably what you're thinking of. He reports it is a far more DMT-like experience.
 
Diacetyl-M said:
How do people find this mixes with 2c-e? My order should be arriving in a couple days and I have some 2c-e left. Would the body load of the 2c-e detract from the 4-aco experience?
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The body load associated with 2c-e was never really difficult for me, just a bit uncomfortable on the way up. Especially at lower doses, I think 2c-e might mix quite nicely with 4-aco-dmt. Maybe someday I'll try 16mg of 2c-e (which I found mild, when juxtaposed with the reports I've read here) taken at the same time as 25mg of 4-aco-dmt (where this one begins to shine for me).

Please be careful with 4-aco-dmt, though. In the right circumstances, it can be phenomenally powerful! 8o:)

I'd like to ask a question too, if I may: has anyone else noticed any utility in splitting a normal dose into two smaller ones? I've reproducibly had stronger trips on 32mg split into 12mg at t=0 and 20mg after about 90 minutes (when the come-up discomfort has faded completely) than I have on 32mg (or indeed, 40mg) taken at once.

Maybe it's placebo. My theory is that psychological tolerance usually plays a much larger role in the supression of effects for me than physical tolerance does, and changing the way I dosed overcame some of that.

Is a particular dosing regime part of setting? :D
 
Well I tried my 4-aco-dmt last night.... 28mg IV. The only mistake I made was I think I had had a wee bit too much alcohol to drink before hand, so I had a hearty puking session immediately following injection lol. Having never had the pleasure of trying DMT I was TOTALLY unprepared for the beauty and quality of these visuals.... I found the effects to be quite unlike mushrooms.... within 10-15 seconds I was transported to a ++++ ...... this was perhaps the most beautifully visual space I've ever encountered. Strange though, I didn't really notice much in the way of a mental trip. Anyhow, I'm stocking up on this substance while I can get it ;)

EDIT: I had taken 15mg of mirtazapine 24 hours before this trip. Considering it's half-life in males is 26hours, it didn't seem to interfere with the effects at all. I wonder if it altered the trip in any other way?
 
For those of you who have experience with both n,n DMT and 4-aco-dmt....how similar do you consider these substances? Are the visuals the same quality? I'm getting some n,n DMT shortly so will have the opportunity to find out for myself.....it's just that the 4-aco-dmt was SO different from anything I have experienced.... I've had quite a few acid trips in the range of 1mg, and probably 100+ mushroom trips, some as high as 10g. This substance is SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!! I'm still basking in the glow of psychedelic bliss... 4-aco-dmt is definitely a new favourite =D
 
There are strong similarities, especially in the body when combined with an MAOI and taken orally. In my experience DMT visuals are fairly unique, especially oral DMT visuals. I typically see small ideographic-like characters on the surface of all the larger forms, and I've only seen them using DMT.

I'm interested in using 4-AcO-DMT IV. How much greater in intensity was the IV route vs other routes you've tried at a similar dose (if you have tried that same dose using other ROAs, can you give an estimate)? Did you experience any visions, and, whether you did or not, how often do you experience visions while using psychedelics?
 
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I've experienced visions on mushrooms and harmaline, as well as during a 1000ug + acid trip, combined with mushrooms, methamphetamine, and weed. Last night was my first time trying 4-aco-dmt however, so I can't compare it to other ROA. 28mg IV caused an immediate ++++ ...but like I said, I puked my guts out for the first 10 mins, which put a damper on things. I know EXACTLY what you mean about the ideographic characters....much of the visuals were dominated by these strange patterns that I don't have a name for....but your discription sums up. In the past I've seen fractals during my trips....but this trip was different.....organic ideograms implied all creation. But there was no brilliant flashes of insight like I've experienced on acid, and the intensity did not build in waves like other trips either. Just the OVERWHELMING PRESENCE of these ancient visual artifacts.... irrefutable proof of something ancient and just beyond my veil of perception.... I highly recommend IV as a ROA for this drug.....though it's not what I would consider recreational ;) Tell me how it goes if you try it.
 
i've been so curious as to what I.V. 4-aco-dmt is like.
now that i know, I am even more interested.

I've tried it in conjuncture with 5-meo-mipt and i must say, it really filled in the spaces.
It added a very very very entheogenic warmth and got rid of the the lethargy that i experienced with 4-aco-dmt.

4-aco-dmt + 2c-c, was like someone put bad water colors into the otherwise translucent and ghostly visuals i was seeing. It wasn't a good combo. Everything started to feel "out of plac



4-aco-dmt, orally for me, was the best in the 80-100mg range.
It rocks my world so subtly there are almost no words for it.
 
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Well I tried my 4-aco-dmt last night.... 28mg IV. The only mistake I made was I think I had had a wee bit too much alcohol to drink before hand, so I had a hearty puking session immediately following injection lol. Having never had the pleasure of trying DMT I was TOTALLY unprepared for the beauty and quality of these visuals.... I found the effects to be quite unlike mushrooms.... within 10-15 seconds I was transported to a ++++ ...... this was perhaps the most beautifully visual space I've ever encountered. Strange though, I didn't really notice much in the way of a mental trip. Anyhow, I'm stocking up on this substance while I can get it ;)

EDIT: I had taken 15mg of mirtazapine 24 hours before this trip. Considering it's half-life in males is 26hours, it didn't seem to interfere with the effects at all. I wonder if it altered the trip in any other way?
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Thanks for posting. Roughly how long did the experience last?

Mirtazapine probably dulled the effects somewhat since it is a 5-HT2A antagonist.
 
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^ According to a thread in ADD, mirtazapine has some psychedelic effects on it's own if the dose is high enough, making room for some speculation that it is instead a weak partial agonist at the 5-HT2a receptor site, instead of a full antagonist. This could indicate, that it might add some synergy to the combination with other psychedelics in addition to (or instead of?) just dulling the effects.

Definitely an interesting substance that one, that warrants for further research.
 
How long did the IV trip last, and what different dose ranges have you done. 28 seems like a shitload.
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I reached peak within 1-2 min. and the trip continued for about 2 hours with another 1-2 hours of strong after effects fading to baseline. This was my first time trying it so I can't compare this experience to other dosages. I chose this dose because I am usually left wishing that I had dosed much higher when taking tryptamines. I was not left wishing that I had dosed higher this time :)
 
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Diacetyl-M said:
I was not left wishing that I had dosed higher this time :)
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=D

as to your earlier question about psilacetin similarities with DMT...

Well ive broken through on DMT many times, but with psilacetin ive only gone as high as 22mg oral. I found that psilacetin does remind of DMT as im re-emrging from the peak/break-through and still tripping and seeing stuff, and having that goofy grin and a wonderful afterglow. Except with psilacetin i feel that way for 2 or 3 hours.

Im very interested in IVing this, as smoking DMT is pretty much not an option for me these days, it hurts my lungs to much. And it doesnt hurt that the peak is alot longer with psilacetin, i certainly wouldnt mind being trapped in that visual escapade for a couple hours.

I think ill wait for karma to get back for that though so she can babysit me.
 
Diacetyl-M said:
Well I tried my 4-aco-dmt last night.... 28mg IV. The only mistake I made was I think I had had a wee bit too much alcohol to drink before hand, so I had a hearty puking session immediately following injection lol. Having never had the pleasure of trying DMT I was TOTALLY unprepared for the beauty and quality of these visuals.... I found the effects to be quite unlike mushrooms.... within 10-15 seconds I was transported to a ++++ ...... this was perhaps the most beautifully visual space I've ever encountered. Strange though, I didn't really notice much in the way of a mental trip. Anyhow, I'm stocking up on this substance while I can get it ;)

EDIT: I had taken 15mg of mirtazapine 24 hours before this trip. Considering it's half-life in males is 26hours, it didn't seem to interfere with the effects at all. I wonder if it altered the trip in any other way?
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By ++++, do you mean you had a life-changing experience that transcended dosage? Or do you just mean it was completely overwhelming? Define "+4" for you please. :)

Diacetyl-M said:
For those of you who have experience with both n,n DMT and 4-aco-dmt....how similar do you consider these substances? Are the visuals the same quality? I'm getting some n,n DMT shortly so will have the opportunity to find out for myself.....it's just that the 4-aco-dmt was SO different from anything I have experienced.... I've had quite a few acid trips in the range of 1mg, and probably 100+ mushroom trips, some as high as 10g. This substance is SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!! I'm still basking in the glow of psychedelic bliss... 4-aco-dmt is definitely a new favourite =D
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I find 4-AcO-DMT to reliably feel much more like smoked DMT than mushrooms, even when taken orally. The visuals are of a similar nature ("jewelled"), and the body buzzing frequency is very high-pitch and buzzy, whereas mushrooms are an organic, smooth frequency. I also generally note a lack of mental trip... well, it's just much, much subtler. It has really put me in touch with some powerful and beautiful places though. I embodied the universal source of love one time in particular :)
 
By ++++, do you mean you had a life-changing experience that transcended dosage? Or do you just mean it was completely overwhelming? Define "+4" for you please.
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In this case I was only using shulgin's rating to reflect the intensity of the trip....it's been a while since I've read his definition of the ratings. Some things to take into account when considering the reaction I had during this trip: As previously stated I had taken 15mg mirtazapine 24 hours before dosing; I had not tripped on any psychedelics for about 2 years (except IV ketamine) so I had no tolerance; and I had never done 4-aco-dmt or n,n DMT. It was definitely a life changing experience, but I did not leave the trip with any useful insights. It was too extreme to be of much use in a spiritual growth kind of way. I say it was a plus 4 because I lost all contact with the visual world for 10-20 mins....and was unable to tell if my eyes were open or closed, though I was still aware of my body, and I did not experience full ego death. On classic psychedelics I have only experienced what I would consider a full ego death once or twice...it was a blinding white flash of insight where time stopped and I lost all contact with my body. All the universe at that moment, which seemed to go on for eons, made sense. It seemed like I witnessed the dawn and passing of ages, and I saw my own insignificat place in the scheme of this great unfolding. But at the same time I saw the importance and significance of all life, and felt the connection between all things. This is a concept which I have experienced many times on psychedelics....but only after this first ego death did I become aware of it, and I have not experienced it in the same way since.
On 4-Aco-DMT I did not have insights like this, but the place it took me felt full of possibilities. It felt ancient for some reason, and the visuals were composed of ideograms which seemed like they represented concepts or insights, but were indecipherable at the time. I think I will have to do more exploring with this substance to unlock it's mysteries lol. It was just too overwhelming for me to form much in the way of thoughts. I lost the ability to speak as well. My girlfriend says that when I tried to speak to her, all that came out was strange noises lol. At the time I remember the frustration of having the concept in my mind of what I wanted to say, but no idea how to articulate those thoughts :)
Anyhow, perhaps I'm rambling now too...but does that answer your question? How do you define a ++++?
 
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