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with my family ANY amount of time is too long.

we don't live with family but my husbands grandmother is unable to live on her own and refuses to go into care and lives with us.. gosh she's freaking annoying.
 
am staying with my family this week and one week is almost too long, can't imagine ever moving back here to live, would probably rather live on the streets 8( Well it wouldn't be so bad if my sister wasn't living here actually.
 
i don't know how to annoy her any more then we already do, i mean we can be IRRITATING bitches when we wanna be. :p advice, tips and pointers are appreciated!
 
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^ let's change that! How about a little introduction so we can get to know you a bit? :)
 
Dexedrine's Euphoria and Adderall's Motivation

I've been doing my homework reading through the Adderall vs. Dexedrine threads on BDD. A comparison that consistently pops up is that Dexedrine's effects are smoother and more classically euphoric, whereas the l-isomer in Adderall's mix gives it an edginess that's more conducive for being productive.

To be honest, I kind of don't understand these metaphors when used to talk about a stimulant's subjective effects. This is probably because I'm naive; I've never tried Dexedrine, and I don't want to use Adderall to get high. I recognize what people mean by a kick of motivation, and I think it's a big part of what I look to get from it. However, I've always thought of the motivation as an effect of the euphoria temporarily brightening my outlook on life. When I feel "anxious" to get something done, it doesn't feel like anxiety as I experience it. In fact, it's a fairly anxiolytic feeling.

Adderall has not always been kind to me, though. I've very often struggled with its comedown, to the extent that I sometimes need to dedicate entire days to taking it in order to deal with the side effects that come after. What's particularly nasty is the anxiety, dysphoria and paranoia that Adderall is well known to produce. Just recently, I began taking Trazodone for SSRI withdrawal, which seems to have made the comedowns exponentially worse.

If Dexedrine is more euphoric than Adderall, does that make its comedown harsher? I want to have the stamina to work when I need to, and it's Adderall's euphoria that seems to be wreaking havoc with my mental state. I don't see how a more euphoric alternative could be smoother or more anxiolytic.

Also, what is it about Dexedrine's euphoria that makes it distracting? I can recall times when Adderall sent me in a completely other direction, but usually it was when I was depressed and thus very unfocused to begin with.

Any responses and opinions are appreciated, thank you.
 
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I think this has a lot of good discussion, besides the usual chemical explainations (thank you for doing your homework BTW), so I'm going to move it into the social/questions thread that we just launched so we can discuss this. :)
 
hexagon said:
I've been doing my homework reading through the Adderall vs. Dexedrine threads on BDD. A comparison that consistently pops up is that Dexedrine's effects are smoother and more classically euphoric, whereas the l-isomer in Adderall's mix gives it an edginess that's more conducive for being productive.

To be honest, I kind of don't understand these metaphors when used to talk about a stimulant's subjective effects. This is probably because I'm naive; I've never tried Dexedrine, and I don't want to use Adderall to get high. I recognize what people mean by a kick of motivation, and I think it's a big part of what I look to get from it. However, I've always thought of the motivation as an effect of the euphoria temporarily brightening my outlook on life. When I feel "anxious" to get something done, it doesn't feel like anxiety as I experience it. In fact, it's a fairly anxiolytic feeling.

Adderall has not always been kind to me, though. I've very often struggled with its comedown, to the extent that I sometimes need to dedicate entire days to taking it in order to deal with the side effects that come after. What's particularly nasty is the anxiety, dysphoria and paranoia that Adderall is well known to produce. Just recently, I began taking Trazodone for SSRI withdrawal, which seems to have made the comedowns exponentially worse.

If Dexedrine is more euphoric than Adderall, does that make its comedown harsher? I want to have the stamina to work when I need to, and it's Adderall's euphoria that seems to be wreaking havoc with my mental state. I don't see how a more euphoric alternative could be smoother or more anxiolytic.

Also, what is it about Dexedrine's euphoria that makes it distracting? I can recall times when Adderall sent me in a completely other direction, but usually it was when I was depressed and thus very unfocused to begin with.

Any responses and opinions are appreciated, thank you.
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Nope, at least not in my experiences. The comedown lasts longer, but is easier to deal with (I know this is a subjective answer) because its longer and doesn't hit you like a train like Adderall's does. Of course this is different from person to person. If the euphoria Adderall gives you distracts you from working, than Dexedrine probably wouldn't work too well for you because it is, for most people, more euphoric.

That being said, I know a few people who have ADD/ADHD who swear by Adderall, for both studying/productive and recreational purposes. Others, myself included, would rather use Dexedrine for either or. The euphoria and associated self-confidence help me get things done, because I know that "I can do it". Anxiety is a big issue that a lot of people who have ADD/ADHD deal with, and the self-confidence and positive outlook that Dexedrine produces can indeed have an
anxiolytic effect, making getting schoolwork done and going to social functions, parties, meeting people, etc, easier.
 
Do I have to follow the flow of conversation here, or can I just jump in and share something ridiculous that I did today because I have no one else to tell about it?

Okay, cool, thanks. So today I RSVP'd to my 10 year high school reunion invitation (which was extended via facebook, of course) with "I have plans to skin a baby Koala and sell its fur on the black market that day, but I might drop by afterwards if there's gonna be free food and booze". No one thought that was funny. In fact, all this really did was confirm that my social skills are still a bit too Courtney Love for comfort. :\

Anyway, hi everyone!
 
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Do I have to follow the flow of conversation here, or can I just jump in and share something ridiculous that I did today because I have no one else to tell about it?
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There is no rule to follow the flow directly, although we prefer the drug questions not to get totally lost in the social chit chat but I think the last drug question in here was answered by at least one person, so post whatever you like :) as long as it is within the rule ;)

grrr8Dane said:
Okay, cool, thanks. So today I RSVP'd to my 10 year high school reunion invitation (which was extended via facebook, of course) with "I have plans to skin a baby Koala and sell its fur on the black market that day, but I might drop by afterwards if there's gonna be free food and booze". No one thought that was funny. In fact, all this really did was confirm that my social skills are still a bit too Courtney Love for comfort.
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Can see how some people would take that the wrong way but I think it is funny :) and would have laughed having seen it on facebook. Some people just don't have a very closed sense of humour and don't like jokes like that. Don't stop being who you are though to fit in with the crowd.




Anyways, morning BDD, woke up surprisingly early after taking quite a few extra benzos than normal last night :\ Was almost like a rebound phenomenon that I would get in the past with GBL. Is weird.

Anyone else ever get the rebound effect after consuming more short acting benzos than usual before sleep?
 
Re . Nitrazepam .
Sometimes folk don't react to certain benzos , bit like me with Alpraz.
I dunno i would hve thought that 10ml of suspension would have an effect.
Mind u i'd just down the whole lot but thats me , unfortunatley.
 
It did seem to have an effect, just not very noticeably physically when I was awake and on it. I didn't take any more of the nitrazepam when I went to sleep. Still have about 30 or 40ml left in the bottle. I think I might have let a lot settle at the bottom by forgetting to shake it up too 8) Will save the rest for tonight I think when I get back home, will finish the bottle on it's own and maybe add a couple of beers to experience nitrazepam on it's own (before the beers) and with a bit of alcoholic potentiation (not too much though in the name of harm reduction :) )

Was more xanax that I took last night before bed that seems to have caused a rebound of wakefulness this morning so early compared to my usual sleep ins.
 
holy smokes, i slept on opiates last night. i one of the most lucid but not based in reality dreams ever. if that makes any sense. what i mean is sometimes sleeping after opiate use i dream that i wake up and get a drink of water and it feels as lucid as real life, but who cares because it is a dream about getting water in my own bathroom.

but last night i went into a state a super lucid dreaming that had nothing to do with my real life. like all my opiate dreams, started with me dreaming i woke up. but i woke up on a hotel room floor. and the ground level window was broken. so i was afraid i had broken in and fallen asleep (from drugs/intoxication). i could tell from the room and window i was somewhere in europe. there was a used (unrolled, i did not check further) condom on the ground and a suitcase flung across the room--its weird contents all over. i knew i had to get the fuck out quick. but i had to make sure i had everything identifiying that was mine--like drivers license, clothes, etc.--incase i had broken in. i did not want to leave through the window because of sharp glass and not wanting to crawl out a window. but i was not sure it was safe to use the door. i kept telling myself it was impossible; i could not really be in this hotel room. but i was touching the walls and my face and it was all real. it was terrible.

anyways

mugz said:
Anyone else ever get the rebound effect after consuming more short acting benzos than usual before sleep?
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if i drink a lot the night before, i always wake up really early.
 
Crazzzzzy dreams last night. I smoked some of my friends home grown and slept for 14 hours. I woke up an hour ago and just now got out of my fog (for the most part).
 
^Reported for talkin' bout weed in the BDD social ;). Tsk tsk. (If I were you, I'd pretend that you meant your friend's homegrown opium, then you're in the clear).
 
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