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Belisarius

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Before I start, I want to say: mods, feel free to move this to Words. The reason I didn't post this in Words, is because the impression I get from that subforum is that it's primarily used by people who want to post their stuff, rather than those who want to have a serious discussion of the craft.

Anyways, I've wanted to make a thread like this for a while. Let this be a thread for all writers, struggling or otherwise. I was thinking we could start this off with a simple "quiz", with discussion interspersed in a free-form fashion:

--What do you like to write?

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

--What do you like most about writing?

--What do you like least about writing?

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?

--What are your tips for other writers?

I'll start.

What do you like to write?
Science fiction.

Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

Not yet. However, I've finished one short story and am in the process of finishing another; I have high hopes that I can get at least one of them published in the next year.

What do you like most about writing?
When I'm writing something I love, when I'm "in the zone", I get a feeling that I can only describe as self-actualization. I literally feel like like this is what I'm *supposed* to be doing, like I'm a tool that's found its natural purpose.

What do you like least about writing?
Writer's block, of course. Repeatedly starting stories on ideas that sound promising, but that ultimately fall flat. Realizing that I have a long way to go.

What do you want to do with writing, personally?
I want to be an accomplished fiction writer. I don't have to be famous, or make enough from it to live off (though that would be sweet ;) ); it'll be enough for me if I just see my work in print somewhere, knowing that other people are reading and enjoying it.

What are your tips for other writers?

1.) Never be too proud to consider advice from other successful writers, past or present; articles by well-known fiction writers have been tremendously helpful to me over the years.

2.) Always keep abreast of the genre you're interested in. I think this is especially important in science fiction, horror, and fantasy, as these genres are full of ideas that have been done to death, like time travel, space opera, evil sorcerors, vampires, etc.

3.) Try to make a schedule and stick to it. Lots of writers prefer to do x number of pages every day; for me, I usually do one on, one off. That gives me a day to write, and another to read and think over my idea. If I'm on a roll though, I'll barrel through.

4.) See the world as a place of potential ideas. My imagination can be piqued by all sorts of things: people I've met or watched, conversations I've had or overheard, my own past, or even personal accessories. I got an idea for one character just by seeing a woman with a black shirt and a cool lunch box. I think it also pays to people watch, and listen to how they speak and interact, so you can translate that into more realistic characters.
 
What do you like to write?
i like to write lots of different things: creative short stories; expansive emails to long-lost friends; technical help; posts on bluelight

Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?
about 3 years ago i was the writer and editor of the dvd review section of ziff davis' gmr magazine (a computer games magazine). typically, i would write a focus article of about 300-1000 words an a number of smaller capsule reviews of around 100 words. the section was discontinued so i lost that opportunity but a number of review which were published appear in my journal.

during my career in mobile wireless, i published a number of articles on c programming for psion's sibo operating system in various trade publications as well as writing a couple of chapters in the software development kit for that platform.

What do you like most about writing?
it's my creative outlet. i have played a musical instrument and i've dabbled with other forms of art, but when my muse descends, it most often manifests itself in words. i love the english language, words and word-play.

What do you like least about writing?
not being able to fully convey a feeling in words.

What do you want to do with writing, personally?
while i can see myself making money from writing either on the side or full-time in the future, i mostly write for recreation these days.

i'd like, at some point, to write a novel which moves people as much as i've been moved by others.

What are your tips for other writers?
1. when writing creatively, try to use a more descriptive verb instead of a functional verb with an adverb

2. when writing for income, don’t write anything until you’ve sold it

3. be yourself

4. read a lot

alasdair
 
^
Thanks much. I was feeling an echo for a moment. ;)

A few more tips:

1.) Read "The Elements of Style", which I think is *essential* reading for anyone who wants to improve their writing. It's cheap, easy to read, and everywhere. Also, always keep a dictionary on tap.

2.) Let everything you write cool off for a time (probably at least a month or two) before you edit it. I can't tell you how many things I've written that I thought were solid gold when I finished them, but utter garbage later. Besides, you want to be able look at it objectively, as if you're reading it for the first time yourself.

3.) If you get an idea before you nod off for the night, for the love of God, get up and write it down. You will *not* remember it in the morning.

4.) Try to keep some perspective, and realize that you're not the sum of your writing ability.
 
Belisarius said:
3.) If you get an idea before you nod off for the night, for the love of God, get up and write it down. You will *not* remember it in the morning.
this is truly excellent advice. i can't tell you how many great ideas - not just writing ideas - have been lost by not doing this.

alasdair
 
I used to write a lot when I was younger. When I was three years old I used to dictate stories (that made absolutely no sense) and my mother wrote them down and I drew pictures for them. She still has some of those books, they're hilarious.

Yea, so, for as long as I can remember one of my absolute biggest dreams in life has been to become a writer. I did a literature and creative-writing course a few years ago and wrote a few short stories, but since then I haven't written *anything*. I think it's got a lot to do with low self-confidence- I don't really believe I have what it takes yet, it's almost as if the older I get, the more scared I get of putting even a single word down on paper because I know how self-critical I will be (and not in a good way).

I'm going to do a degree course in literature at university though, I'm hoping this will inspire me.

Anyway, even though I don't write at the moment, I'm going to answer the questions:

--What do you like to write?

Fantasy and magical realism is what I *want* to write. I also write in my diary/scrapbook as well as in my bluelight journal. Sometimes I just sit on my computer and write about my feelings, my thoughts, what's happening in my life. I suppose writing about myself feels easier and more natural than creating stories (which is what I'd really like to do), since my own expectations aren't that high when it's "just a diary entry".

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

No

--What do you like most about writing?

What Belisarius said- it feels like that is what I'm *supposed* to be doing. I feel best when I'm being creative.

--What do you like least about writing?

That I can't seem to do it these days.

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?

As much as I can :) my dream would be able to support myself with writing but really I'd be happy just to have published something.
 
Nice... I'm actually writing a novel right now. For years I've had the know-how to write a great story but could never fit together something that had great flow but I'm finally doing it and it's pretty sweet. Self-publication seems to be pretty popular these days too, and easy... 'specially with sites like lulu.com .

--What do you like to write?

- I like writing interesting stories that evolve from events that could happen to anyone, and of course characters that are diverse enough to keep the reader entertained.

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

- Not yet, but I am heavy into a story which I will definitely be publishing by any means.

--What do you like most about writing?

- Being able to express my thoughts in any damn way that I please.

--What do you like least about writing?

- Writer's block :S

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?

- I'd like to get into film, because I really love films. But there is something to be said for the style of novels that just can't be conveyed through film (unless it's a voice-over and those are pretty lame).

--What are your tips for other writers?

I'm not really in a position to dole out tips but I can provide a tip that was once told to me first-hand by the person who inspired Chuck Palahniuk, author of Fight Club. It was two simple words: "Writers... write" On Chuck's IMDb profile it even defines him as a "low key writer who never stops writing," affirming that this advice paid off for him (because, we've all seen Fight Club, haven't we? ;)
 
--What do you like to write?
Lately I have become incredibly interested in screenplay writing. Other than that I enjoy and mainly write philosophy dissertations. If something irks me enough I'm also capable of writing pretty sharp criticism in essay or letter form.

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?
Not that far along quite yet though I'm considering submitting some of my better philosophy essays to places that publish and award money.

--What do you like most about writing?

The long lag time between thinking an idea and someone actually receiving the communication. It helps me really think about what I'm communicating and make sure I don't say anything (too) stupid.

--What do you like least about writing?
Struggling to find the right word(s) and the difficulty of trying to consistently create new ideas worth writing about.

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?

I'd like to write something worthwhile as some sort of creative art (screenplay, novel, etc.) and write technical essays or a book in philosophy of professional quality.

--What are your tips for other writers?

Have someone who you know will be a capable and honest critic of your work and take their advice 90% of the time.
 
I also want to add one of the best pieces of advice anyone has ever given me. Don't sit around waiting for inspiration or motivation (or whatever you want to call it) to hit. Sure, every now and then it hits someone like a lightning bolt and they right a masterpiece in 5 days but 99% of the time you start doing something and that causes you to be motivated and inspired to continue. Have the discipline to start working without inspiration and the inspiration will come from that.
 
What do you like to write?
I'm working on a novel that is coming of age/crime fiction, as well as a graphic novel that is noir/crime/sci-fi, and a screenplay which is dark comedy. Generally, I like to write mysteries or character studies focused on the issues of lower class/working class struggles, alcoholism, the grimy side of life.




Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?
I've had some short stories published but not anywhere too impressive. I am going to look for an agent when I finish my novel manuscript.


What do you like most about writing?
It makes me feel like I have a way out of my current life other than pounding nails for the next thirty years. It takes me away...


What do you like least about writing?
Ideas that seemed great when I was writing them and sucked the next day, the painstakingness of the process of getting from point A to point B on paper when I'm in my mind at point C.


What do you want to do with writing, personally?
I want to make a living or supplement some income. I want to gain some recognition. I want to feel a sense of accomplishment. I want to say something that actually matters and someone might read and think, "Fuck, maybe he's right..."



What are your tips for other writers?
read as much as you possibly can, look for other creative people to talk about your work with, don't be afraid to dip your pen in more than one pot (fiction, nonfiction, screenplays, etc.), be ready to fail repeatedly and not be discouraged.



Best of luck to all the rest of you.
 
I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. I knew Alasdairm and I couldn't be the only ones. :)

<<I also want to add one of the best pieces of advice anyone has ever given me. Don't sit around waiting for inspiration or motivation (or whatever you want to call it) to hit. Sure, every now and then it hits someone like a lightning bolt and they right a masterpiece in 5 days but 99% of the time you start doing something and that causes you to be motivated and inspired to continue. Have the discipline to start working without inspiration and the inspiration will come from that.>>

Great advice. I was just reading last night that the "Muse" often strikes only after you're already working, and recently I've found that this is the case. I may have no idea where my story is going before I sit down, but once I get past the first few sentences, it usually comes together just right.
 
Ok, this might sound kind of dumb - but I want to learn how to write professional cuisine reviews and don't really know where to start. I picked up a few cooking magazines but most of their stuff is geared towards preperation rather then review. Any suggestions ?

My style of writing is kind of strange too. Usually I just flow with whatever I am thinking at the moment then reorganize it into a paper after I have put all my thoughts down on paper. While I get to keep all my ideas this way I often times fuck up syntax and have things in the wrong place, is there some kind of proper 'form' for writing that I might be able to investigate ? For instance i'll be down on another paragraph and an idea that fits into something much earlier in the paper pops into my head so instead of immediatly trying to work it into the other section and losing my train of thought on the current idea i'll just plop it right down next to what I am currently working on which does NOT fit at all and then afterwords trying to incorperate it into what I have written above makes little or no sense, or just feels disjointed.

So... any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated. I already learned a ton from this thread alone, and for that I thank you all! Any constructive criticism on my writing style (even forum posts are a decent judge for my style) would be much appreciated. I sometimes feel like it's not 'professional' enough, like some highschool kid writing a review and I definitly want to change that.

Writing is tough, but it sure is rewarding when you feel that you got it JUST right. :)
 
here's my $0.02

start writing and keep writing! writers write.

dont' obsess too much over spelling and grammar - fixing that is what editors are for :)

have your work criticised - bluelight could be invaluable here as you're likely to get a more objective opinion than from friends and family. don't be put off by bad feedback - it helps you get better and for that reason it's invaluable.

in terms of getting published, mine your network - in a paradoxical twist, getting published is easier once you get published. find friends and friends of friends and acquaintances of friends who are willing to help you get going.

most importantly - in my opinion - be yourself.

good luck.

alasdair
 
^
Ditto.

I cannot emphasize enough the importance of having (trustworthy) people on tap who are not only willing to read your stuff, but who will also give you an honest assessment of it. The more who read it, the better; if several people are giving you the same critique, you probably need to re-do what they're talking about.

You'll probably find negative critiques to be much more helpful than postive ones; as I say to my readers, all the praise in the world won't mean a thing if a magazine editor or publisher calls it shit.
 
great thread bel !


--What do you like to write? My primary interest at the moment are short film screenplays. I rather enjoy spewing silly shit here in BL.

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published? I've had video game reviews printed in drum media. I've spent the better part of this year working on a video game storyline and subsequest short animated film. I have friends who work in film (various technical roles) who are very interested in my stuff.

--What do you like most about writing? The unpredictability of creativity. I often feel like i'm running blindly into a night or fog and finding my footfalls in places i didn't expect. It's rather exhilarating.

--What do you like least about writing? Finding uninterupted time to do it.

--What do you want to do with writing, personally? Live off of it. I know it's a dream only few can realise, but what's life without dreams?

--What are your tips for other writers? Trust yourself to know what to do in every instance, for you can achieve much more than you expect, without the need to force anything.
 
--What do you like to write?
dont like writing

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?
my articles/reports etc published on national papers, used to work in a teen mag, i also have published work on it

--What do you like most about writing?
see first answer

--What do you like least about writing?
see above answer

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?
&!"=?=)!'"&$"^*

--What are your tips for other writers?
dont write unless they pay you
 
What do you like to write?
Lately, I'm (very happily) stuck on poetry. Not rhymey emo bullshit, but the good kind. I also have had a crack at short story writing, and so far am not happy with the product, but am working on improving the skills there. I have a few ideas for novels & screenplays which I plan to write. Film reviews. Recipes (Cooking is one of my other great passions - and this just made me think I should have a crack at culinary reviews). Then there's 30,000-odd posts of dribble on various forums.

Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?
Only free content on the web SO FAR. Nothing paid (does free movie tickets in return for film reviews count?)

What do you like most about writing?
The adrenalin rush.

What do you like least about writing?
Not being able to type fast enough.

What do you want to do with writing, personally?
To inspire people, just as so much great writing has inspired me.

What are your tips for other writers?
-For those who want to write but don't, OVERCOME YOUR FEAR AND SELF-DOUBT AND JUST DO IT. Your writing might suck. Deal with it. You're wasting precious ideas by not doing it. People need them! Think of all the stupidity in the world and how you're not doing anything to change that by not writing. Honestly, when I started writing, it was like coming out of the closet - I'm so much happier in my life now because I write.

-Meth helps you type faster.

-This is worth repeating again:

Belisarius said:
If you get an idea before you nod off for the night, for the love of God, get up and write it down. You will *not* remember it in the morning.

I've FINALLY started doing this recently after chastising myself for not doing it for literally all of my life and it has without doubt been my best work.

-Listen to Wordy. He is a genius.

-Read this thread
 
--What do you like to write?

Anecdotal works, opinion pieces, semi private journal entries, and short articles related to astrology and metaphysical studies.

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

Yes, and yes. I can scan a couple non-circulated en masse magazine articles but I'm not sure if I can edit them for confidentiality without losing content.

--What do you like most about writing?

The process. The energy. The way it flows when you're writing something that makes perfect sense to you. The ideas. The love.

--What do you like least about writing?

I don't write about many things that are useful to most people except in certain niches and disciplines.

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?

Make my writing more accessible, and further my career.

--What are your tips for other writers?

Proofread and edit yourself, get a second opinion, use spellcheck, and copyright your work.
 
--What do you like to write?

Mostly poetry, real off-kilter stuff that doesn't rhyme but is uniquely structured rigidly, with certain patterns . . . I've also been pondering the idea of writing a remake of a particular Greek comedy, modernizing it, to see how it turns out to see if I ever wanna try my hand at some type of novel

--Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

So far just in the school paper at IU-East campus when I was a reporter there, but I've been starting to submit some work to journals and lower-rent rags to try and get something out . . . I've also pondered the idea of putting a hand-made book with ten-twenty verses into my next demo, which is actually gonna be a joint thing with Midwest Entertainment, Penmanship, Matt-matics and the_witchdoktor . . . but again, all just work right now . . .

--What do you like most about writing?

when it works . . . when I read right back over something and wonder if it was me that wrote it . . .

--What do you like least about writing?

when it doesn't . . . when I look down, read over something and feel its so trite or cliche'd or just shitty that I wish I hadn't wrote it . . .

--What do you want to do with writing, personally?

I wanna be able to express something so well that people don't really think that angle's been hit before, even though they'd be wrong because EVERY angles been beat like a dead horse . . .

--What are your tips for other writers?

I don't think I have any . . . I really have no clue what I'm doing most of the time, trial and error . . . there's some good tips above me but I just couldn't say cause what tends to work for me is usually unorthodox or wrong, lol . . .
 
Cool... so this thread, along with a bunch of other threads from Second Opinion, has been shifted to Words. Take a look back through previous pages of Words, and you'll see what I mean!

Belisarius said:
The reason I didn't post this in Words, is because the impression I get from that subforum is that it's primarily used by people who want to post their stuff, rather than those who want to have a serious discussion of the craft.

This is a myth we're trying to dispel! ;) We'd like to see more discussions like this one. :)

Anyway, thanks to Belisarius for starting the thread - there's been some excellent advice given. I'd agree with pretty much all of it, except for this:

EntrenchdMentalist said:
-Listen to Wordy. He is a genius.

;)

There are about 50 points raised in the thread that I'd like to respond to, but for now I'll limit myself to answering the questions...

What do you like to write?

Poetry mainly, although I've tried my hand at most things.

Have you published anything, or are you in the process of getting published?

I've had quite a few poems published in Australian magazines, literary journals and websites. I'm looking to publish a book within the next 2 years. I've been awarded a mentorship through the Australian Society of Authors, which should assist me in achieving this goal.

What do you like most about writing?

Surprising myself... with unexpected and/or random ideas, phrasings, images, wordplays, misshearings, etc.

What do you like least about writing?

That the popularity of poetry is undermined by stigma and misconception.

What do you want to do with writing, personally?

What does writing want to do with me? ;) In all seriousness, I want to continue writing poetry, and to experiment with other forms (I have a screenplay for a short film in the works, amongst other things). I plan to make a living through teaching writing / literature, and running my own writing / editing / literary services business. This is already starting to take shape – I’m beginning to pick up freelance work as a manuscript assessor.

What are your tips for other writers?

Read at least as much as you write, and widely. Treat everything you write as an experiment, rather than an examination. Don’t be afraid to redraft, rewrite and rework – again and again! Carry a writing device (pen & paper / laptop / mobile phone / PDA) at all times. Befriend other writers. Be open to advice and criticism. Get involved in writers’ societies / events and the like. If you get rejections (and you will), don’t take it to heart – it’s just part of the learning process. :)
 
Anyone else?

Feel free to answer just one or two of the questions if you don't feel like / have time for answering all of them... or ask your own questions! :)
 
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