The apparent magic of the psychedelic experience

[MattPsy]

Yes, and that in and of itself means little. All it might mean is that a formalised description of a self-referential system is unattainable. This is only a problem if you consider it to be one. Actually, I view it as more the very feature which give such a system its richness, just as Hofstadter does.
Subjective experience IS the state of the system. That's all. If you keep asking "BUT WHERE'S THE EXPERIENCE?" you're going to get nowhere. Subjective experience IS meaning. What more can you want?
What, exactly, would constitute proof for you ?

Anyway, that's me out (at least for today - consider those last two questions as more or less rhetorical - perhaps someone else will continue the discussion along these lines)

 

[IamMe90]

I'm pretty sure he knows what Godel's incompleteness theorem* is, anyway stop caps locking lol

 

[DwayneHoover]

OK I'll quit caps locking, sorry, LOL indeed.

What is "meaning"? For there to be "meaning" something has to be comprehending the "meaning". What is that? "Meaning" just exists as a free-floating ball of "meaningfulness" somewhere in the 11 dimensions of M-theory or something, haha. Great "explanation."

Again, the central crux of the issue is being simply brushed under the carpet as if it is pointless, because it hurts the deniers heads to think about it, so they just refuse, call it "rhetorical" (which explains nothing, again), take their ball and go home. Oh well. 8)

 

[Tranced]

Hmmm... I am a bit puzzled. Is this some way of belittling my idea? :D

Nope, I just happened to be sitting on the toilet when I was thinking about it.

I was genuinely thinking the same thing.