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@Frogster do you think anxiety played a part in your symptoms during come-up?
The 6-APB thread
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nomy
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I'm loving this thread, and respect to the early pioneers out there! But I know even less now than I did 2 months ago....well, no... I know more, but more on both sides if you know what I mean. Now there does seem to finally be some quality powder filtering through, but no matter whether it's powder or pellet, there is such a swing of extremes in peoples TR's.
Overall, I love the sound of this RC, but unless it floods the market soon, and in more stable compounds, it's gonna be banned anyway before many of us get to try it. Then again, since the effects can be extremely bad in some people, and very dose dependant, I fear a lot of casualties should it reach the meph heads. Although 6-APB has great potential, it seems a fine balance between good and bad.
Having said all that, I still hope to be making my own TR as soon as.
Overall, I love the sound of this RC, but unless it floods the market soon, and in more stable compounds, it's gonna be banned anyway before many of us get to try it. Then again, since the effects can be extremely bad in some people, and very dose dependant, I fear a lot of casualties should it reach the meph heads. Although 6-APB has great potential, it seems a fine balance between good and bad.
Having said all that, I still hope to be making my own TR as soon as.
JedTheHumanoid
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Well, here is my slightly garbled effort. Might try and edit it after a good night's sleep...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=519727
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=519727
I feel the same way - I'm sitting on 4 pellets, but unsure of who to share them with given the few dodgy tr's I've seen - I don't want to risk giving my wife a dose of vomiting/raging bruxism/terrible comedown. On the other side there's plenty of tr's from people that say it's all good. So it's all a bit confusing.....
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The compound is probably very stable, he was making a joke as to the lack of active compound in the pellets.
The ADD thread had expressed some concern that some forms of the drug are being cut with cheap, potent stimulants in order to increase profits and make the experience closer to that of MDMA. I'm wondering if this is where a lot of the extremely negative side-effects are stemming from (crazy blood pressure, being away for long periods of time after). Because this drug is probably less easily metabolized as compared to amphetamine or MDMA it may just last quite a bit longer, too.
I am very used to the nervousness/restlessness during MDxx comeups, so i felt cool until i measured my blood pressure. That made me go crazy.
But generally speaking, there's quite a load of adrenaline thats being released, and almost no dopamine. I would guess that someone who isnt prepared for that can easily get bad anxiety.
just gave it another go with 75mg 45min ago.
Will report back
t+1h: harsch come up seems to be inevitable on that one. I confirm that 75mg is a fully actice dose. As im prepared this time, i try not to initiate "full counter measures" hehe
im off now, have to listen to music now ;-)
just gave it another go with 75mg 45min ago.
Will report back
t+2h: tripping less hard than yesterdy, i rate 75mg a full albeit a low dode. Going for a ride on the bike now eh
cya later bluelighters
Will report back
t+1h: harsch come up seems to be inevitable on that one. I confirm that 75mg is a fully actice dose. As im prepared this time, i try not to initiate "full counter measures" hehe
im off now, have to listen to music now ;-)
just gave it another go with 75mg 45min ago.
Will report back
t+2h: tripping less hard than yesterdy, i rate 75mg a full albeit a low dode. Going for a ride on the bike now eh
cya later bluelighters
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Vurtual
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I agree with GlassCage's earlier post which was saying that the effects of the pellets seem to be more similar in profile to mda than mdma (this is what it's supposed to be an analogue of after all). As suggested in the article he quoted, mda can give variable effects from similar doses, produces more 'negative' side-effects compared to mdma, and is also said to be easier to overdose. This tallies with my experience of the pellets (along with the positive stuff too) and most of the reports i've read so far (i did think that while similar, there were differences; but haven't done mda on its own enough to make a proper comparison) - YMMV - thank you please.
Of course, even if it shares charecteristics with mda, that tells us nothing about possible effects and impurities unique to this substance (so the risk of harm cannot be considered comparable with the more tested mda, even if the profile is)
Whatever we think about dosage in each pellet, I think we should err on the side of caution and give harm reduction advice assuming it may be more like mda than mdma (or any other lighter stim) - i.e. telling people if they're going to take it to start with small doses (after allergy test) to find their level (non md-experienced should maybe start with 1/2 or less); not to stack doses as much as they might with mdma; and not drop large amounts in one go. (i think most advice has been saying similar anyway).
mda is reported to have higher toxicity and a lower overdose level than mdma (partly why mdma was favoured in the first place i think). The toxicity is experienced as increased side-effects compared to mdma (this does sound like pellet reports). Wikipedia says that mda has been reported as having an LD50 of 92mg/kg injected in rats - this seems high, but i don't really know what this figure means in reality. i'll personally err on the side of caution and assuming (as i am) the pellets have similar effects, wouldn't consider taking more than 2 at once (actually 1.5 is fine/almost too much for me so far) - it's difficult to be sure of dosing with pellets, but mine have been consistent in effects so far, so i'll assume the same dose until i experience otherwise.
While mda is a bit more harmful than mdma, it's still damn fine used carefully (most of us survived the 90s...). However, I think it wont be the (imo) possible similarities between the pellets and mda that get 6-apb banned as much as some of the dangerous powders being sold under the same (shit) name (aPVP? sounds a likely candidate for a lot of those horror stories of certain 'unofficial' 6-apb powder). These crap substances and the consequent hospitalisations will probably hit the headlines first and get 6-apb banned, like NRG got banned before the naphyrone properly got here (oh well - it'll get banned either way).
As for new 'promising' 6-apb powders: there would need to be a lot of convincing reports before i'd risk taking a pyrovalerone (yuck).
These are all my no doubt completely wrong opinions (thank you please)
Of course, even if it shares charecteristics with mda, that tells us nothing about possible effects and impurities unique to this substance (so the risk of harm cannot be considered comparable with the more tested mda, even if the profile is)
Whatever we think about dosage in each pellet, I think we should err on the side of caution and give harm reduction advice assuming it may be more like mda than mdma (or any other lighter stim) - i.e. telling people if they're going to take it to start with small doses (after allergy test) to find their level (non md-experienced should maybe start with 1/2 or less); not to stack doses as much as they might with mdma; and not drop large amounts in one go. (i think most advice has been saying similar anyway).
mda is reported to have higher toxicity and a lower overdose level than mdma (partly why mdma was favoured in the first place i think). The toxicity is experienced as increased side-effects compared to mdma (this does sound like pellet reports). Wikipedia says that mda has been reported as having an LD50 of 92mg/kg injected in rats - this seems high, but i don't really know what this figure means in reality. i'll personally err on the side of caution and assuming (as i am) the pellets have similar effects, wouldn't consider taking more than 2 at once (actually 1.5 is fine/almost too much for me so far) - it's difficult to be sure of dosing with pellets, but mine have been consistent in effects so far, so i'll assume the same dose until i experience otherwise.
While mda is a bit more harmful than mdma, it's still damn fine used carefully (most of us survived the 90s...). However, I think it wont be the (imo) possible similarities between the pellets and mda that get 6-apb banned as much as some of the dangerous powders being sold under the same (shit) name (aPVP? sounds a likely candidate for a lot of those horror stories of certain 'unofficial' 6-apb powder). These crap substances and the consequent hospitalisations will probably hit the headlines first and get 6-apb banned, like NRG got banned before the naphyrone properly got here (oh well - it'll get banned either way).
As for new 'promising' 6-apb powders: there would need to be a lot of convincing reports before i'd risk taking a pyrovalerone (yuck).
These are all my no doubt completely wrong opinions (thank you please)
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RC_Enthusiast
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Live trip report in session lol, glad you're enjoying yourself mate 
chasing_s
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yeah, like I said earlier on I like the pellets, so I enjoyed liked this. It's clearly no Mepehdrone replacement, but in my mind that's no bad thing. I don't appear to get the bad side effects that others seem to get. My BP might mildly elevate but nothing compared to methylone or mephedrone. Pulse barely increases. No obvious vasculitis like with the cathinones either. I suppose the pellets may actually have magnesium in them if the fillers are correct so might counter the jaw tension that I encountered with the supposedly pure powder.
Redosing at similar levels as the original dose can cause nausea/vomiting in my case but, like I said probably in the previous disaster-area thread, that's a side effect of serotonin release which 6-apb was originally designed for. Half the dose again seems to extend it nicely, without the nausea/vomiting.
any major dude
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Woooaaaah :D This shit is *IMMENSE*. I've had 4 pellets sat in my drawer for the last 2 weeks with no real opportunity to take them. Got me a day off today and thought fuck it it's time to try it. Decided on half of one to be on the safe side. Glad I did phew I think a whole one would def be too much for me (MDMA always gets me munted very easily guess this does too lol). I crushed the half up and necked back with a beer, full come up in 1-2hrs.
Can't believe people have been double dropping thesethat would fuck me up far too much.
Looking forward to getting some powder and dosing quite low really. Although this catch all legal highs ban they're bringing in may be a real kick in the nuts for us researchers
Radiohead
Arghh have to go and meet the girlfriend in 15 mins when she finishes work. Will have to try and not looked high as a kite. Half a pellet or 50mg or whatever's in them seems like a spot on dose for me. Smoking a joint of dank bud intensifies feelings dramatically
Still, Daft Punk ftw!!
For future reference, when you do a live trip report, just update your posts instead of doing lots of small ones, keeps the thread tidier. Thanks a bunch for the info though!
After reading loads & loads on here about different experiences from capsules and pellets I've ordered a gram of powder in the hope I could control my dose better but I obviously missed this when reading up....
Now I'm worried that I've just bought some horrible shit. What would be a good starting dose (after allergy test) be to find out if its the real deal. It cost £25 which seems really cheap
Now I'm worried that I've just bought some horrible shit. What would be a good starting dose (after allergy test) be to find out if its the real deal. It cost £25 which seems really cheap
I've just done (15 mins or so ago) 30mg of "6-APB" which came in crystal/powder form. The crystals are shaped liked minature bits of rice with a shiny appearance. The chemical seems relatively "soft", inasmuch as the sharp end of a credit card easily crushes it with a sound a little like walking on fresh snow.
In honesty I would be very surprised if this is 6-APB, as I've also got some "5-IAI" from the same place that was unpleasantly stimmy and made me want to go to bed. However, I'm going to give it another 20 mins and snort another 60mg, assuming I don't feel like I'm about to die.
It's worth noting that until last Friday I was taking mephedrone every day and had (probably still have) a hefty addiction to it, so this may well skew the effects of any other drugs. On a slight tangent, I've found that the comedown/withdrawal effects of meph (for me, palpitations felt all over my body, paranoia and anxiety) have been completely nullified by Gabapentin. I'm taking no more than three 300mg Gabapentin tablets a day and feel absolutely fine. PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT A DOCTOR, I AM NOT TRAINED IN BIOCHEMISTRY AND THIS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS ADVICE - IF YOU'RE HAVING SIMILAR PROBLEMS DO AS MUCH RESEARCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND BEAR IN MIND THAT GABAPENTIN WITHDRAWAL HAS BEEN LIKENED TO BENZODIAZEPINE OR HEROIN WITHDRAWAL.
Anyway, back to the point. I'm probably 25mins in now from a 30mg insufflation, and I feel a bit speedy with the slight beginnings of a headache. There's also some slight throat burn from the drip. Water, brb.
Whilst I'm not going to give any clues as to vendor ID, I found that during the meph bonanza this company were very trustworthy, so it will be a shame if it turns out they've sold me some rubbish amphetamine substitute.
Has anybody else had similar looking "6-APB", and what did you make of it?
Incidentally, the only time I've experienced benzo fury was when I took 40mg Temazepam the other week to try to sleep on meph, and it didn't touch the fucking sides. I was livid.
In honesty I would be very surprised if this is 6-APB, as I've also got some "5-IAI" from the same place that was unpleasantly stimmy and made me want to go to bed. However, I'm going to give it another 20 mins and snort another 60mg, assuming I don't feel like I'm about to die.
It's worth noting that until last Friday I was taking mephedrone every day and had (probably still have) a hefty addiction to it, so this may well skew the effects of any other drugs. On a slight tangent, I've found that the comedown/withdrawal effects of meph (for me, palpitations felt all over my body, paranoia and anxiety) have been completely nullified by Gabapentin. I'm taking no more than three 300mg Gabapentin tablets a day and feel absolutely fine. PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT A DOCTOR, I AM NOT TRAINED IN BIOCHEMISTRY AND THIS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS ADVICE - IF YOU'RE HAVING SIMILAR PROBLEMS DO AS MUCH RESEARCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND BEAR IN MIND THAT GABAPENTIN WITHDRAWAL HAS BEEN LIKENED TO BENZODIAZEPINE OR HEROIN WITHDRAWAL.
Anyway, back to the point. I'm probably 25mins in now from a 30mg insufflation, and I feel a bit speedy with the slight beginnings of a headache. There's also some slight throat burn from the drip. Water, brb.
Whilst I'm not going to give any clues as to vendor ID, I found that during the meph bonanza this company were very trustworthy, so it will be a shame if it turns out they've sold me some rubbish amphetamine substitute.
Has anybody else had similar looking "6-APB", and what did you make of it?
Incidentally, the only time I've experienced benzo fury was when I took 40mg Temazepam the other week to try to sleep on meph, and it didn't touch the fucking sides. I was livid.
Banjo Fury
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Good summary and i think you maybe correct in saying the ban wont be long in coming.
ABCDFG I Ate The E
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done it here..
was on 2 pellets and did 8 whipped cream cans.
it was definitely amazing no doubt but n20+rolling is better imo.
Let us know how it goes mate. Be interested in your opinion.
Just done the 60mg "6-APB" up the nose. No unpleasant effects to speak of, but nothing spectacular on the positive side.
As an experiment, I've just listened to Vicious Delicious (title track of eponymous album) by Infected Mushroom, as the section from 3.50 to 6.00 makes me feel high even when utterly sober, and there was definitely some extra urge to dance like a loon.
I'm starting to feel quite hot, this is pleasant so far. I'd guess the 60mg will take 45mins to kick in fully based on the first 30mg dose. I'd love to hang around and give a blow by blow account, but I'm off to the pub now. I'll report back any interesting findings.
For accuracy, I should point out that I have some pretty cheap Myco scales accurate to a hundredth of a g (0.01). They're pretty sensitive, but a while back they were fluctuating by as much as 0.04, but this seems to have stopped now, and was only happening on weights of a gram or more.
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From previous reports from other experimenters snorting this stuff is not a good ROA. To the point of it being not a pleasant experience.
Eating this stuff seems to be the way to go.
I did half one of the pellets over 6 hours ago and still feeling it quite strongly
Scoobysnacks
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so in ya opinion the pellet and the sample are not the same?, i read phenones haven a tcp smell( could someone clarify either way) and a-pvd full name ends in phenone, is there a possibility the pellets contained a-pvd ?? why did some peeps get so stimmed off the pellet(s)
what puzzles me is why quality bud had no real effect on me for 5 days..are there any chems which dampen weed effects like that
QUOTE=chasing_s;8692503]yeah, like I said earlier on I like the pellets, so I enjoyed liked this. It's clearly no Mepehdrone replacement, but in my mind that's no bad thing. I don't appear to get the bad side effects that others seem to get. My BP might mildly elevate but nothing compared to methylone or mephedrone. Pulse barely increases. No obvious vasculitis like with the cathinones either. I suppose the pellets may actually have magnesium in them if the fillers are correct so might counter the jaw tension that I encountered with the supposedly pure powder.
Redosing at similar levels as the original dose can cause nausea/vomiting in my case but, like I said probably in the previous disaster-area thread, that's a side effect of serotonin release which 6-apb was originally designed for. Half the dose again seems to extend it nicely, without the nausea/vomiting.[/QUOTE]
my jaw was clenching big time of 1 pellet as did others
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Bugger, just snorted another 70mg, so that's 160mg I've done up the nose. I'm going to put 120mg in a gel cap and have that then. Like I say, I very much doubt it's 6-APB but I'll report back.
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