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The 6-APB thread

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....So, calling a substance 'naphyrone' or NRG1 is not illegal, but passing off another chemical as a trader may be unlawful under trade description. From my understanding, very little naphyrone was actually available and sold in the UK.

Thanks again for the info. That makes sense. What you said before about the govenrment not needing the ACMD to classify - that is true, but politically, i think they would be very reluctant (unless it was part of some overall reform of drugs classification). The politicians like to have that distance so they can say the scientists told them to do it (even though they just sack the ones who say the wrong thing). I'm not sure, but i think there is also a european legal requirement to have something like the ACMD in place.
 
Thanks again for the info. That makes sense. What you said before about the govenrment not needing the ACMD to classify - that is true, but politically, i think they would be very reluctant (unless it was part of some overall reform of drugs classification). The politicians like to have that distance so they can say the scientists told them to do it (even though they just sack the ones who say the wrong thing). I'm not sure, but i think there is also a european legal requirement to have something like the ACMD in place.

You are right to an extent, although remember that parliament ignored the ACMD's advice on mephedrone, as they did not recommend that it was made illegal. That's why they sacked David Nutt - to essentially give them that political leverage. The requirement of the ACMD is not European law, but rather is a requirement of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 and goes back to the origins of drug prohibition within the UK. Drug law is effectively bound internationally by three treaties:

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961 as amended by the 1972 Protocol

Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971

United Nations Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances of 1988

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/treaties/index.html

One, perhaps onerous, effect of these treaties is that they tie international trade into drug prohibition (largely due to US influence as the major world economy prior to the European Community). Countries that disobey these treaties can therefore be seen as pariahs, and can be subjected to trade embargo. This has little effect on the current research chemical loopholes however. EU law has no effect over criminal legislation within member countries, and therefore drug laws are up to individual countries.

To bring this on-topic, I think you are correct that 6APB has a very limited legal lifespan. However, I would not be surprised if a law was brought that allowed the Home Secretary to ban new substances under an immediate and temporary order, before evaluation by the ACMD. The most sensible solution would be a class that drugs could be placed into that would seek harm reduction in the first instance, followed by realistic scientific evaluation. The current moral climate will not allow for this. Particularly when even drug users argue for prohibition. I think there is a highly valid argument for substances such as MDMA to be granted a legal distribution channel based on a harm reduction policy. People taking novel substances are risking considerable harm to themselves.
 
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Alright, so let's see. I'm mostly down. So maybe it's time to report. :)

I took the capsules at around 4:15 my time this afternoon... I chewed them up and dissolved them in my spit and swallowed. Not a good taste, actually quite bad, but bearable. Then again my stomach and tastebuds are like steel. I could swear I felt alerts within minutes but it was probably the anticipation. However, that light indefinable feeling grew as time went by. By 45 minutes I was starting to come up hard... dizziness, low to moderate nausea, and generally just felt overwhelmed... nothing I couldn't handle though as my primary drug intake is psychedelics.

At about an hour and a half, I felt the come-up finish, and it leveled off into a really nice peak where I felt great... really great. I got chatty with my wife and we talked for a good 3 or 4 hours on the couch, about all sorts of stuff. I had slight short-term memory issues, but not anything like I get with MDMA. My skin felt awesome and I found myself moving around a lot, slowly, because it felt good. I had some eye fluttering for sure, pretty strongly, and I found myself clenching my jaw whenever I stopped paying attention. I mostly didn't clench, and when I wasn't I didn't feel an urge to, but as soon as I'd forget about it and I'd find myself clenching away. I made sure to drink water here and there because I was sweating a lot (and still am actually even though the effects are largely down). Mainly my armpits are sweating, but also my feet and palms are sweating pretty big-time... I feel self-conscious touching anyone now because of it.

Then after about 4 hours of this peak, I felt it start to drop ever so slightly. I had a small "lossy" feeling like you might get when coke or MDMA come down, but very weak and it passed quickly, going back to a slightly less intense version of the peak effects. I also felt noticeably less chatty at this point, more content to just sit there and look around. We spent a good bit of time outside on the back deck too. Actually I never ended up listening to music because I was too busy listening to the forest and bird sounds. :) So anyway, at this point I decided to add a little 2C-B to see if it would perk things back up. I plugged 10mg. And shortly, things did pick up. Not spectacularly... it mainly felt like the 6-APB got stronger again and a touch closer to a psychedelic state. The 2C-B brought back some of my chattiness too but mainly I felt like relaxing with my eyes half-closed, soaking in the good feelings. I should also mention that I didn't have any sexual sort of feelings... I might have been able to perform but it didn't occur to me. The same is true with MDMA for me except I also have a hard time getting it up with MDMA... it doesn't seem like it would have been a problem with this, had the desire been there.

So overall, I give this a thumbs up. It didn't match to the hype from when people here tried the powder samples, at least not for me. But then, I don't really usually care for MDMA either. I had a really good first 4 hours for the peak... really great feelings, empathy, but without the sloppy outpouring of emotion that MDMA gives. I felt pretty lucid but definitely intoxicated. Now I have a really minor headache that has actually gotten better with a bit of ibuprofen, so I hope it stays away. It was definitely worth trying. I won't be buying more pellets though. I'll wait until it's being sold as pure powder, and then I will probably get some of that.


First of all happy you enjoyed your trip. ;)

But in the interest of `Harm reduction` was it really a good idea to double drop with it being your 1st experience with this chem?

Your fellow Mod (the one in the liquid LSD bowl) has been forcefully telling us all week this is not a chemical to abuse. Granted we all know our own personal limit and i believe tolerance to MDxx products will alter the experience.

I think unless you are very experienced in taking similar products and psychedelics 1 pellet should be the starting point for this RC.

I know you Mod`s have a hard job but a bit of balance should be applied.
 
I read somewhere that a kid had a heart attack 3 days ago on 200 mg of the powder 6-APB, still waiting on a source for that claim though...
 
I read somewhere that a kid had a heart attack 3 days ago on 200 mg of the powder 6-APB, still waiting on a source for that claim though...

i read a similar story earlier today but this was due to ivory wave (legal uk version) not 6apb. not sure if its the same story until it is substantiated.
 
Blegh MDPV, I can see that doing some harm. Yeah. 20 kids, none of them dead though.
 
I wouldn't be suprised if the police already have a huge operation under way to nab all these online vendors and the people who purchase drugs from them, expect big busts soon. You heard it hear first ;)
 
Can I ask if the claim of some vendors that they are the five "official distributors" has any substance? Or is it the same company with different websites?
 
Can I ask if the claim of some vendors that they are the five "official distributors" has any substance? Or is it the same company with different websites?

Wouldnt go there Padraig - That subject has already been the death of 3 threads on this chem. I suggest maybe you do some Research on google and come to your own conclusions. :\

@k.kat

Have a good night and look forward to reading what happens. :)

V. OFF TOPIC (apologies to Mods) Can anyone PM me with any experiences of the "New" Ivory Wave product, or post in the relevant thread please. (Scoob you must have had this down your neck by now !!!:))I only request here also as know that the 6-APB thread gets a lot of traffic, and it seems this drug can be extremely dangerous so am trying to be as informed as I can. Thanks.
 
Wouldnt go there Padraig - That subject has already been the death of 3 threads on this chem. I suggest maybe you do some Research on google and come to your own conclusions. :\

@k.kat

Have a good night and look forward to reading what happens. :)

Wouldnt go there Padraig - That subject has already been the death of 3 threads on this chem. I suggest maybe you do some Research on google and come to your own conclusions. :\

@k.kat
Have a good night and look forward to reading what happens. :)

V. OFF TOPIC (apologies to Mods) Can anyone PM me with any experiences of the "New" Ivory Wave product, or post in the relevant thread please. (Scoob you must have had this down your neck by now !!!:))I only request here also as know that the 6-APB thread gets a lot of traffic, and it seems this drug can be extremely dangerous so am trying to be as informed as I can. Thanks.

haha..excellent answer to the vendor question MrDoIt, hope ya good mate:)

i read a mods post here( tryting to find it now mate) stating ivory wave is mephedrone, pmsl....i wish i had necked some, last 6 weeks ive had assorted bunk and 1 pellet :P

doh.... red doves were mephedrone,ivory wave is MPDV, found info thread on ivory wave

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=458801&page=2
 
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Sorry if this question sounds stupid, I guess I just got some crap that's no 6 apb at all - has anyone noticed analgesic properties in 6 apb? The stuff I'm testing at the moment is strongly analgesic.

Edit - I'm kinda getting worried... I guess this is not 'right'. I won't touch this again. Just out of interest, does anyone have a clue what this could be?? (I know even asking this is ridiculous, but anyhow, I'm wondering). Dimethocaine?? It's not strongly euphoric. In fact it doesn't do much except the painkilling.

Edit again - it's a white powder. Low to medium burn when snorted.
 
i had a email from a site saying now they have "official" 6-apb, they say there dose is now 150mg per "pellet" they also still seem to be saying there green caps (am i gonna get banned for that lol)

Anyone know anything in relation to making the dose a extra 50% more powerfull?........sounds kinda shady to me & i really was hoping now were in August all this stuff would have been sorted out but it still sounds too hit & miss for me tbh.

I had some of these and that dirty dawg has done it again....

They are active but its not 6-apb its just some kind of weird stim.

Gotta hand it to him this guys got balls how many batches is it now and still not a sniff of 6-apb in any of them
 
I did post a review of mine but it got deleted pretty quickly so ill sum it up: Interesting and fun but NOT worth the price that is being asked. I wont be buying again.
 
Sorry if this question sounds stupid, I guess I just got some crap that's no 6 apb at all - has anyone noticed analgesic properties in 6 apb? The stuff I'm testing at the moment is strongly analgesic.

Edit - I'm kinda getting worried... I guess this is not 'right'. I won't touch this again. Just out of interest, does anyone have a clue what this could be?? (I know even asking this is ridiculous, but anyhow, I'm wondering). Dimethocaine?? It's not strongly euphoric. In fact it doesn't do much except the painkilling.

Edit again - it's a white powder. Low to medium burn when snorted.

It actually sounds kind of like 2-AI, which isn't much for recreation but has strong analgesic properties and some kind of stimulation.

But this is just speculation.
 
Having tonight decided to dose a slight increase up to approx 1.5 pellets I can honestly say the effects become quite overwhelming, very strong indeed.

Think I'll go and spend the night dancing to happy hardcore
 
6-APB is excellent. Tried 100mg with 20mg 4-aco-dmt thrown in for good measure. Like trippy MDMA. The rush is so intense...
 
It actually sounds kind of like 2-AI, which isn't much for recreation but has strong analgesic properties and some kind of stimulation.

But this is just speculation.

The 3 green capsules I received as replacement had exactly the same effect as a 2-ai sample I received from same place so chances are it is 2-ai.

I cant be bothered to even complain anymore !!!!:\
 
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